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Old 21-03-2016, 19:15
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EE set their 800 priority to higher than 3G. In this way you can actually use it.
Also it ensures a purple frog monkey puppet is not needed.
This will take time though as instead of rushing it out in a failed attempt to get some kind of recognition, they would prefer it actually worked.
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Old 21-03-2016, 19:15
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Oh I assume everyone knows iOS 9.3 is out now. (from 7PM). ?
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Old 21-03-2016, 19:17
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Pretty sure the live coverage checker has been updated too now.

EDIT: Yep! Definitely updated. Every mast that I know has gone live since Jan is now showing on map.
Yep. full map update today. Includes new 4G+ coverage.
Coincides nicely with the Apple Keynote today.
iPhone se looks nice. Basically an iPhone 6s in a 4" case with no 3D touch.
Everything else though (including VoLTE)
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Old 21-03-2016, 19:28
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iOS 9.3 brings with it EE 24.0 Carrier File
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Old 21-03-2016, 19:40
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Yep. full map update today. Includes new 4G+ coverage.
Coincides nicely with the Apple Keynote today.
iPhone se looks nice. Basically an iPhone 6s in a 4" case with no 3D touch.
Everything else though (including VoLTE)
You'd have thought that when the map DB/layers are updated they'd update the list of devices in the tables. The S7, S7 Edge is not listed despite them being pretty flagship status.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:00
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iOS 9.3 brings with it EE 24.0 Carrier File
Does this give the 2G/3G/4G selections back for EE users?

BT Mobile 24.0 carrier profile is for 2G/3G/4G voice and data combined now.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:08
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Does this give the 2G/3G/4G selections back for EE users?

BT Mobile 24.0 carrier profile is for 2G/3G/4G voice and data combined now.
Answer: No.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:12
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So does the EE version still have 4G Voice & Data and Data only options?

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Old 21-03-2016, 21:20
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So does the EE version still have 4G Voice & Data and Data only options?

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Nothing could have changed for EE users. VoLTE is now live for all, even if the areas are quite limited and there's no official launch to promote it, so it can't be disabled now.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:29
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Nothing could have changed for EE users. VoLTE is now live for all, even if the areas are quite limited and there's no official launch to promote it, so it can't be disabled now.
Yeah but he means is the data only option still there. You can't have the data only option on EE. It is still there.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:30
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So does the EE version still have 4G Voice & Data and Data only options?

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Yeah, but there's now new carrier update for the final 9.3.
CA 24.0 was on the public betas so the Carrier file hasn't changed.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:32
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Yeah but he means is the data only option still there. You can't have the data only option on EE. It is still there.
By choosing the Data Only option it disables VoLTE. Tried it on Friday night.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:36
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By choosing the Data Only option it disables VoLTE. Tried it on Friday night.
That is exactly the problem.
You can't be on 4G800 with no VoLTE. Potentially a signal but no voice.
That's the issue.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:40
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By choosing the Data Only option it disables VoLTE. Tried it on Friday night.
?? strange, you'd think it would be enabled for 4G voice and data by default this time.

The BT Mobile carrier profile looks like what it ought to be:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bww...ew?usp=sharing with full 2G/3G/4G options.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:55
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That is exactly the problem.
You can't be on 4G800 with no VoLTE. Potentially a signal but no voice.
That's the issue.
When Data Only is selected maybe it won't let you connect to 800mhz then?
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Old 21-03-2016, 22:01
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When Data Only is selected maybe it won't let you connect to 800mhz then?
How would that work?
It should be more like what ozz is showing or there should just be "voice and data" or "off".
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Old 21-03-2016, 22:03
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How would that work?
It should be more like what ozz is showing or there should just be "voice and data" or "off".
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, just suggesting a possibility. I hate it how it's set up currently and it should be how it is for BT.
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Old 21-03-2016, 22:20
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Maps:
1800 4G: http://gdurl.com/DiuB - Green=3rd Feb 2016, Red= 21st March 2016
2600 4G: http://gdurl.com/R1dW - Grey=5th Jan 2016, Red=21st March 2016 (Green=reduction in coverage 5th Jan-21st Mar)

1800 vs 2600 4G: http://gdurl.com/NPgX - Green=1800 21st Mar, Red=2600 21st Mar
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Old 21-03-2016, 23:16
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Maps:
1800 4G: http://gdurl.com/DiuB - Green=3rd Feb 2016, Red= 21st March 2016
2600 4G: http://gdurl.com/R1dW - Grey=5th Jan 2016, Red=21st March 2016 (Green=reduction in coverage 5th Jan-21st Mar)

1800 vs 2600 4G: http://gdurl.com/NPgX - Green=1800 21st Mar, Red=2600 21st Mar
That is great Gavin, nice one.

However, I want to see a sea of, let's say 800 = orange
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Old 21-03-2016, 23:29
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That plan would win worst plan ever in the national Worst Plan Ever championships!

I mean it wouldn't be just a few would it. It would have to be thousands of masts in between the current ones. There are around 20,000 now you know.

You seem to think they can just be put up over a weekend and job done.
Firstly planning would be a nightmare and most would be blocked or drag on for 3 years.
Secondly do you have even the first idea of what that would cost?
I don't but I know it would be in the billions.

No the best plan is the plan that's happening right now.
Get 4G1800 rolled out fully and then fill in with 800.
Haha is that plan really that bad?

I know there's quite a lot of masts about, but I didn't realize that there would be that many extra masts that would be required. Luckily, my area (Northamptonshire) is well covered, though there are a couple of weak spots. The weak spots are worse in other areas, i.e. Norfolk, that would probably require quite a few fill in masts. Though hopefully, the 2G Orange masts that are still active will go 3G/4G as well.

There are some areas though, such as Eye and Denny Abbey, that really do need new masts though, as coverage there is pretty poor for any type of technology.

4G1800 would be great, especially at full power, but there are still the 3G only phones (though not many of them are still around/being sold, I hope!) and that assumes that 2G1800 coverage is also strong. In the aforementioned areas above, even 2G struggles (no chance of an indoor signal, and 1-2 bars 2G outside), so 4G1800 wouldn't be very good there either, in terms of coverage. And I assume that only Volte-enabled devices would have access to the 800? Quite a lot of phones (aside from iPhone 6 or above) won't be running Volte just yet, because (a) the older phones support it, and (b) you have to have the carrier firmware. Unlocked/Sim-Free phones won't have the required firmware, and most people (apart from people on here!) wouldn't know how to install completely new firmware.


I don't know, I think Beansontoast is on to something. What about mobile masts? All you would need is a fleet of ex GPO LDV 200 vans, some scaffold, a 12v Battery and some 'techno-wizardry' and you could essentially run a truly mobile network. 3G would be perfect for this because as it 'breathed in' you could drive towards the user, thereby negating that problem.

You guys are losers and have no vision. I reckon Beansontoast is Hans Snook and he's going to make a big comeback into the UK once he's finished his...um..that thing with the pipes.
That would be a good idea, I suppose! You could have more permanent installations in areas that are always poor (such as the places I mentioned above), but temporary installs like the ones you mentioned would certainly resolve cell breathing issues, particularly when the issue is not present 24/7.

I mean, when I was out at busy places a couple of years ago, some of the masts struggled to cope, so an extra mobile mast would definitely resolve that! (Once, in a Lincolnshire village, when they had a special event, the EE/3 mast was so congested that you could never get any data throughput at all on 3G, and this as before Vodafone had their 2G only mast CTIL'ed. An extra portable mast would definitely help congestion and cell breathing in those circumstances.)
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Old 21-03-2016, 23:35
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The updated coverage map for Nottingham has a reduction in 2600MHz, was the map actually wrong before or have they actually switched off some of the 2600MHz masts?
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Old 21-03-2016, 23:37
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EE set their 800 priority to higher than 3G. In this way you can actually use it.
Also it ensures a purple frog monkey puppet is not needed.
This will take time though as instead of rushing it out in a failed attempt to get some kind of recognition, they would prefer it actually worked.
Alright, alright, it's really alright!

I know what you're on about, with the dancing puppets and the bodged release of VoLTE that required you to lose 3G totally (and that there was no VoLTE on 1800 either)...

C'mon Three, make it right - don't bodge things!

Alright, we know that's not going to happen... Let's hope that EE actually shows Three how to launch VoLTE properly, and that you have the priority of 4G800 above 3G2100, so that users with VoLTE phones can stay on 4G all the time and see the improved coverage
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Old 21-03-2016, 23:40
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Are you trolling this board Beans?
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Old 21-03-2016, 23:44
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Is there any more VOLTE areas going live this week ? I suspect with the double bank holiday it may be a couple of weeks before we see some new areas.
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Old 21-03-2016, 23:48
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Nope, I'm not - I was trying to find the humorous side behind Three's decision to release VoLTE the way they did.

On topic, I have noticed that some areas of Northamptonshire have been included on the updated coverage map as 4G areas - brilliant! Not long before my area goes 4G
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