EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)

sills · 04-10-2016, 19:12

Quote:

If you use Chrome then just click on the map and use the +/- keys to zoom, and the arrow keys to scroll around.

Doesn't work with the new checker.

jonmorris · 04-10-2016, 22:50

I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE.

Now hoping that means we might get it on the other Nexus phones.

David_bl1 · 05-10-2016, 07:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by sills

Doesn't work with the new checker.

You can still use the old one (for now...)

https://maps.ee.co.uk/ee/networkstatuschecker.html

Everything Goes · 05-10-2016, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE.

Now hoping that means we might get it on the other Nexus phones.

Given the Nexus range have been discontinued I and pulled from stores I reckon the answer is no.

The questions to ask is it Firmware specific to EE? Will it work on Three with VoLTE? Is it locked to EE?

While the Nexus range used generic Firmware and are unlocked have Google may changed that with the Pixel?

Cloudane · 05-10-2016, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by packages

The Network Status Checker page has been overhauled. You can no longer check anywhere with the zoom buttons

Interesting decision. I can understand why Vodafone's does it, as their 4G coverage is too embarrassing to let you zoom out or default you anywhere but Birmingham

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Given the Nexus range have been discontinued I and pulled from stores I reckon the answer is no.

I will be quite annoyed if this is the case. I'm not sure whether to be annoyed at Google or EE more - probably both!!

gardensleeper · 05-10-2016, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE.
.

Not a fan Jon?

Sorry to take the thread OT but do you think there are better value options out there? Oneplus3?

ceepan · 05-10-2016, 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE.

Now hoping that means we might get it on the other Nexus phones.

We might be lucky in that the EE settings are included in the non exclusive parts of Android 7.1. If so when that rolls out to Nexus devices VoLTE may be available.

Ed3925 · 05-10-2016, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by sills

Doesn't work with the new checker.

EE have introduced the ability to report suspected network problems via the checker, which is something.

I'd like to see all the mast sites, like the O2 checker, but EE do not readily release this information. I believe they've had issues with customers complaining directly to landowners when there has been issues with EE accessing sites to repair faults.

beans0ntoast · 05-10-2016, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

It's not likely that BT will give itself Giffgaff levels of sub par performance, though...

Giffgaff really is rock-bottom in terms of priority on the O2 network though... Local upgraded CTIL mast gives 3Mbps down on Giffgaff 4G!

Don't have an O2 or Voda SIM to test but I'm sure they'd be better.

Thine Wonk · 05-10-2016, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by beans0ntoast

Giffgaff really is rock-bottom in terms of priority on the O2 network though... Local upgraded CTIL mast gives 3Mbps down on Giffgaff 4G!

Don't have an O2 or Voda SIM to test but I'm sure they'd be better.

Puts me in mind of when I was configuring QoS the other day on a router and there were 5 options, including express, standard etc....

Quote "Bulk - The bulk class is only allocated remaining bandwidth when the remaining classes are idle. If the line is full of traffic from other classes, Bulk will only be allocated 1% of total set limit. Use this class for P2P and downloading services like FTP.

Sounds like what Giffgaff are set to on O2's network!!

Neilgcal · 06-10-2016, 00:50

Interesting article in the link below!!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.i...?client=safari

japitts · 06-10-2016, 08:44

All this talk of EE only upgrading legacy sites to 2G/4G and leaving 3G outside MBNL, really doesn't bode well when said 3G site is old kit, prone to falling over or locking-up and outside official support!

jonmorris · 06-10-2016, 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by japitts

All this talk of EE only upgrading legacy sites to 2G/4G and leaving 3G outside MBNL, really doesn't bode well when said 3G site is old kit, prone to falling over or locking-up and outside official support!

If you're thinking of getting rid of 3G in the next 5 years or so, it probably makes more sense to let the old 3G kit rot, install new 2G/4G kit that can eventually be modified to all 4G if necessary.

People demanding good mobile coverage and data now will be advised to get a 4G phone, supporting VoLTE, and they'll be as cheap as chips. Sure, you'll have Google/Samsung/Apple trying to sell you £1000+ phones, but I am sure there will still be phones starting at the £50 mark too.

Gigabit · 06-10-2016, 11:54

Apparently the OnePlus 3 should support EE WiFi Calling now too. Can anyone confirm?

Craig Arthur · 06-10-2016, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by japitts

All this talk of EE only upgrading legacy sites to 2G/4G and leaving 3G outside MBNL, really doesn't bode well when said 3G site is old kit, prone to falling over or locking-up and outside official support!

There is a mast local to us that is Orange 2G only and it's due to have EE 4G and MBNL3G added to it. Look like this is scheduled for next week if the Scottish roadworks site is anything to go by.

The mast that serves my house also had MBNL 3G added to it in past few months. So sites are still being converted to MBNL just very slowly - of course they may not all get it.

Ed3925 · 06-10-2016, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by beans0ntoast

Giffgaff really is rock-bottom in terms of priority on the O2 network though... Local upgraded CTIL mast gives 3Mbps down on Giffgaff 4G!

Don't have an O2 or Voda SIM to test but I'm sure they'd be better.

Beans,

O2 and Vodafone SIMs provide very substantially higher speeds than giffgaff, I can assure you!

I live very near a CTIL site. As such, the signal on O2 and Vodafone is extremely strong. Vodafone provide around 30 Mbps on 3g 2100, and better on 4g. O2 is similar on 4g, but somewhat less on 3g. Meanwhile, giffgaff are giving 0.7 Mbps on 3g, and just over 2 Mbps on 4g. This is while practically sat on top of the mast.

Ed3925 · 06-10-2016, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro_C

Top of mast is fairly recent EE/3. Two single band Kathreins. capable of 4G for both operators.
Middle: That'll be just O2/VF: UG09, U21, L08, L18 O2 most likely. Looks like quad and triple band Commscope Argus antennas (not all ports will be wired)

@Pedro_C

Out of interest, how many masts do EE use nationwide in comparison to Three, Voda and O2?

Gigabit · 06-10-2016, 20:20

RootMetrics speed tests count towards EE data usage or not these days?

Ed3925 · 06-10-2016, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigabit

RootMetrics speed tests count towards EE data usage or not these days?

No, they don't. You can even perform tests without topping up a pay as you go SIM, but the maximum speed in this case is capped at 30 Mbps. All other speed tests use your allowance.

jonmorris · 06-10-2016, 21:16

Ookla's app can eat 200MB or more on a single test now speeds are rising. It's great that EE and Vodafone each have ways to do tests without consuming data. Only O2 and Three don't, but the latter doesn't matter if you have an unlimited plan.

Synthetic42 · 07-10-2016, 08:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed3925

@Pedro_C

Out of interest, how many masts do EE use nationwide in comparison to Three, Voda and O2?

EE have 18,500, not sure on the others.

Cloudane · 07-10-2016, 09:44

Another 6P update received, don't think I even need to say it didn't add VoLTE (doubtful we'll ever get it on these now)

ceepan · 07-10-2016, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloudane

Another 6P update received, don't think I even need to say it didn't add VoLTE (doubtful we'll ever get it on these now)

I am still hopeful that the EE Settings (why they can't just add the Carrier Configuration https://source.android.com/devices/t...g/carrier.html I don't know) are part of the Android 7.1 stuff that isn't Pixel exclusive.

Toffee-Brann · 07-10-2016, 11:02

EE are running their £19.99 16gb sim only offer again.

jonmorris · 07-10-2016, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toffee-Brann

EE are running their £19.99 16gb sim only offer again.

I hope I never get moved off this plan. Unlimited speed and 500MB data a day roaming (albeit at £3 a day) for £16.49 (with 10% discount for another account) is far better than those new Max Plans that also want to force me to take BT Sport.

I renewed my EE home broadband today. £1 a month for 18 months (plus line rental, which is £17.50 a month, although I intend to pay the whole 18 months up front to save £40 or so), plus 5GB of data added to my mobile plan, so that will take me to 21GB a month.

I'm very happy with this!

04-10-2016, 19:12	#2926
sills Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kent Posts: 196	Quote: Originally Posted by David_bl1 If you use Chrome then just click on the map and use the +/- keys to zoom, and the arrow keys to scroll around. Doesn't work with the new checker.

04-10-2016, 22:50	#2927
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE. Now hoping that means we might get it on the other Nexus phones.

05-10-2016, 07:16	#2928
David_bl1 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 118	Quote: Originally Posted by sills Doesn't work with the new checker. You can still use the old one (for now...) https://maps.ee.co.uk/ee/networkstatuschecker.html

05-10-2016, 08:22	#2929
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE. Now hoping that means we might get it on the other Nexus phones. Given the Nexus range have been discontinued I and pulled from stores I reckon the answer is no. The questions to ask is it Firmware specific to EE? Will it work on Three with VoLTE? Is it locked to EE? While the Nexus range used generic Firmware and are unlocked have Google may changed that with the Pixel?

05-10-2016, 10:21	#2930
Cloudane Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 870	Quote: Originally Posted by packages The Network Status Checker page has been overhauled. You can no longer check anywhere with the zoom buttons Interesting decision. I can understand why Vodafone's does it, as their 4G coverage is too embarrassing to let you zoom out or default you anywhere but Birmingham Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes Given the Nexus range have been discontinued I and pulled from stores I reckon the answer is no. I will be quite annoyed if this is the case. I'm not sure whether to be annoyed at Google or EE more - probably both!!

05-10-2016, 11:16	#2931
gardensleeper Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 363	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE. . Not a fan Jon? Sorry to take the thread OT but do you think there are better value options out there? Oneplus3?

05-10-2016, 11:45	#2932
ceepan Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 58	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris I'm case anyone is mad enough to buy one, the Pixel and Pixel XL will support VoLTE on EE. Now hoping that means we might get it on the other Nexus phones. We might be lucky in that the EE settings are included in the non exclusive parts of Android 7.1. If so when that rolls out to Nexus devices VoLTE may be available.

05-10-2016, 18:49	#2933
Ed3925 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 97	Quote: Originally Posted by sills Doesn't work with the new checker. EE have introduced the ability to report suspected network problems via the checker, which is something. I'd like to see all the mast sites, like the O2 checker, but EE do not readily release this information. I believe they've had issues with customers complaining directly to landowners when there has been issues with EE accessing sites to repair faults.

05-10-2016, 19:19	#2934
beans0ntoast Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 932	Quote: Originally Posted by moox It's not likely that BT will give itself Giffgaff levels of sub par performance, though... Giffgaff really is rock-bottom in terms of priority on the O2 network though... Local upgraded CTIL mast gives 3Mbps down on Giffgaff 4G! Don't have an O2 or Voda SIM to test but I'm sure they'd be better.

05-10-2016, 19:50	#2935
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by beans0ntoast Giffgaff really is rock-bottom in terms of priority on the O2 network though... Local upgraded CTIL mast gives 3Mbps down on Giffgaff 4G! Don't have an O2 or Voda SIM to test but I'm sure they'd be better. Puts me in mind of when I was configuring QoS the other day on a router and there were 5 options, including express, standard etc.... Quote "Bulk - The bulk class is only allocated remaining bandwidth when the remaining classes are idle. If the line is full of traffic from other classes, Bulk will only be allocated 1% of total set limit. Use this class for P2P and downloading services like FTP. Sounds like what Giffgaff are set to on O2's network!!

06-10-2016, 00:50	#2936
Neilgcal Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 55	Interesting article in the link below!! https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.i...?client=safari

06-10-2016, 08:44	#2937
japitts Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 427	All this talk of EE only upgrading legacy sites to 2G/4G and leaving 3G outside MBNL, really doesn't bode well when said 3G site is old kit, prone to falling over or locking-up and outside official support!

06-10-2016, 09:08	#2938
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by japitts All this talk of EE only upgrading legacy sites to 2G/4G and leaving 3G outside MBNL, really doesn't bode well when said 3G site is old kit, prone to falling over or locking-up and outside official support! If you're thinking of getting rid of 3G in the next 5 years or so, it probably makes more sense to let the old 3G kit rot, install new 2G/4G kit that can eventually be modified to all 4G if necessary. People demanding good mobile coverage and data now will be advised to get a 4G phone, supporting VoLTE, and they'll be as cheap as chips. Sure, you'll have Google/Samsung/Apple trying to sell you £1000+ phones, but I am sure there will still be phones starting at the £50 mark too.

06-10-2016, 11:54	#2939
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Apparently the OnePlus 3 should support EE WiFi Calling now too. Can anyone confirm?

06-10-2016, 18:59	#2940
Craig Arthur Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere in Scotland Posts: 52	Quote: Originally Posted by japitts All this talk of EE only upgrading legacy sites to 2G/4G and leaving 3G outside MBNL, really doesn't bode well when said 3G site is old kit, prone to falling over or locking-up and outside official support! There is a mast local to us that is Orange 2G only and it's due to have EE 4G and MBNL3G added to it. Look like this is scheduled for next week if the Scottish roadworks site is anything to go by. The mast that serves my house also had MBNL 3G added to it in past few months. So sites are still being converted to MBNL just very slowly - of course they may not all get it.

06-10-2016, 19:16	#2941
Ed3925 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 97	Quote: Originally Posted by beans0ntoast Giffgaff really is rock-bottom in terms of priority on the O2 network though... Local upgraded CTIL mast gives 3Mbps down on Giffgaff 4G! Don't have an O2 or Voda SIM to test but I'm sure they'd be better. Beans, O2 and Vodafone SIMs provide very substantially higher speeds than giffgaff, I can assure you! I live very near a CTIL site. As such, the signal on O2 and Vodafone is extremely strong. Vodafone provide around 30 Mbps on 3g 2100, and better on 4g. O2 is similar on 4g, but somewhat less on 3g. Meanwhile, giffgaff are giving 0.7 Mbps on 3g, and just over 2 Mbps on 4g. This is while practically sat on top of the mast.

06-10-2016, 19:57	#2942
Ed3925 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 97	Quote: Originally Posted by Pedro_C Top of mast is fairly recent EE/3. Two single band Kathreins. capable of 4G for both operators. Middle: That'll be just O2/VF: UG09, U21, L08, L18 O2 most likely. Looks like quad and triple band Commscope Argus antennas (not all ports will be wired) @Pedro_C Out of interest, how many masts do EE use nationwide in comparison to Three, Voda and O2?

06-10-2016, 20:20	#2943
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	RootMetrics speed tests count towards EE data usage or not these days?

06-10-2016, 20:26	#2944
Ed3925 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 97	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit RootMetrics speed tests count towards EE data usage or not these days? No, they don't. You can even perform tests without topping up a pay as you go SIM, but the maximum speed in this case is capped at 30 Mbps. All other speed tests use your allowance.

06-10-2016, 21:16	#2945
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Ookla's app can eat 200MB or more on a single test now speeds are rising. It's great that EE and Vodafone each have ways to do tests without consuming data. Only O2 and Three don't, but the latter doesn't matter if you have an unlimited plan.

07-10-2016, 08:20	#2946
Synthetic42 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,510	Quote: Originally Posted by Ed3925 @Pedro_C Out of interest, how many masts do EE use nationwide in comparison to Three, Voda and O2? EE have 18,500, not sure on the others.

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EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)

07-10-2016, 09:44	#2947
Cloudane Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 870	Another 6P update received, don't think I even need to say it didn't add VoLTE (doubtful we'll ever get it on these now)

07-10-2016, 10:56	#2948
ceepan Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 58	Quote: Originally Posted by Cloudane Another 6P update received, don't think I even need to say it didn't add VoLTE (doubtful we'll ever get it on these now) I am still hopeful that the EE Settings (why they can't just add the Carrier Configuration https://source.android.com/devices/t...g/carrier.html I don't know) are part of the Android 7.1 stuff that isn't Pixel exclusive.

07-10-2016, 11:02	#2949
Toffee-Brann Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 33	EE are running their £19.99 16gb sim only offer again.

07-10-2016, 16:40	#2950
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by Toffee-Brann EE are running their £19.99 16gb sim only offer again. I hope I never get moved off this plan. Unlimited speed and 500MB data a day roaming (albeit at £3 a day) for £16.49 (with 10% discount for another account) is far better than those new Max Plans that also want to force me to take BT Sport. I renewed my EE home broadband today. £1 a month for 18 months (plus line rental, which is £17.50 a month, although I intend to pay the whole 18 months up front to save £40 or so), plus 5GB of data added to my mobile plan, so that will take me to 21GB a month. I'm very happy with this!