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EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)
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georgi_prodanov
18-10-2016
Originally Posted by Pedro_C:
“Happens all the time to enable H3G to do 4G/additional bands like 800MHz. Check out the Monopoles/Streetworks video”

thanks Pedro. But Three already have 4G on that poles.I checked the 4G and Three/EE same 4G/3G signal
packages
18-10-2016
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“thanks Pedro. But Three already have 4G on that poles.I checked the 4G and Three/EE same 4G/3G signal”

Then it could be to add additional frequencies?
_m
18-10-2016
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“thanks Pedro. But Three already have 4G on that poles.I checked the 4G and Three/EE same 4G/3G signal”

Most likely in preparation for 800 or 2600MHz to be added then.
sparky93
19-10-2016
yes, its just to add 800/26 and config the cab kit.
beans0ntoast
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by packages:
“Then it could be to add additional frequencies?”

Yes. If EE and Three both have 3G/4G on 1800MHz then they will be using dual input panels. To add 2600MHz or 800MHz (or both), then you'd definitely need triple input panels, hence the mast upgrade. Would be more likely 800MHz, I guess, unless in a busy location where the extra capacity that 2600MHz would bring, is needed.
Pedro_C
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Yes. If EE and Three both have 3G/4G on 1800MHz then they will be using dual input panels. To add 2600MHz or 800MHz (or both), then you'd definitely need triple input panels, hence the mast upgrade. Would be more likely 800MHz, I guess, unless in a busy location where the extra capacity that 2600MHz would bring, is needed.”

Not quite as simple as that.
EE GL18, U21, L26. 3 U21, 3 L18 on dual band panels using an 1800/2600 combiner
beans0ntoast
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by Pedro_C:
“Not quite as simple as that.
EE GL18, U21, L26. 3 U21, 3 L18 on dual band panels using an 1800/2600 combiner”

Whoops, forgot all about the fact that you could combine 1800MHz and 2600MHz into the same input (assuming high ultra wide band port) with the aid of a 18/26 combiner. In which case the tri-band panels must be for L08, because you can't combine L08 into the same input as L18, U21 or L26. The only thing L08 would combine nicely with is U09, into a low band panel (on an O2/Vodafone setup).
DevonBloke
19-10-2016
My Mast has quite thin single band panels with EE G18, L18, U21 and Three U21 all combined together....
http://postimg.org/image/40iwe59t5/
beans0ntoast
19-10-2016
Well, what I've just spotted is a rarity indeed!

Proof that my local Orange mast will soon be upgraded to EE:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.31...7i13312!8i6656

The day that the Google Streetview Car was going around on the B645 (to Chelveston and Kimbolton), was the day that someone was working at the cabinets of the Orange mast!

It's currently Orange 2G only but I wonder what it will get upgraded to... Anyone?
Also, where do you find out the planning docs for said masts? (This one is near Chelveston, Northamptonshire.)
jchamier
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“My Mast has quite thin single band panels with EE G18, L18, U21 and Three U21 all combined together....
http://postimg.org/image/40iwe59t5/”

Mine is exactly the same, in Hampshire - so a long way from Devon !
beans0ntoast
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“My Mast has quite thin single band panels with EE G18, L18, U21 and Three U21 all combined together....
http://postimg.org/image/40iwe59t5/”

I've seen those panels before somewhere. One of the local EE/3 masts near to me has one of those single input panels (though it is in conjunction with triple input panels). I'm also sure that Pedro_C has some examples on his website where Vodafone/O2 have used hose single input panels as well.

Chances are those panels will be replaced with dual or tri bands when Three decide to put L18 on, and/oe Three/EE put L08 on. Though I'm assuming that will happen when the backhaul is upgraded, as I remember you saying before that it is single speed 4G due to microwave backhaul.

Also couldn't help but notice the legacy Vod panels. UG09? Or just G09?
jchamier
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“It's currently Orange 2G only but I wonder what it will get upgraded to... Anyone?”

they will need to deliver new/additional white cabinets, and maybe even swap the pole, it looks like a replica telegraph pole today. If only G18 then EE could upgrade it to G18 & L18 and then a while later add U21 - that has been seen elsewhere.

A mast near a friend of mine which on Streetview shows two identical green cabinets with Orange on, has had one of the cabinets removed and replaced by two small white/silver cabinets. It was EE G18/U21 and is now EE G18/U21/L18. (I assume Three are on the mast but can't test). It was only EE (former Tmobile) code for a long time despite the Orange Personal Communications Ltd name/address stickers on the cabinets.

The right most green cabinet has gone, replaced by the two white.
https://goo.gl/maps/UYC8gLwGaED2

viz from last Sat:
http://imgur.com/a/9UIKf

No change to the antenna section at all, its in the trees above and very 'aged' and looks almost mouldy!

Quote:
“Also, where do you find out the planning docs for said masts? (This one is near Chelveston, Northamptonshire.)”

Town, borough, or district council website, planning section usually.
packages
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“My Mast has quite thin single band panels with EE G18, L18, U21 and Three U21 all combined together....
http://postimg.org/image/40iwe59t5/”

This is my mast: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.85...7i13312!8i6656

The base is completely overgrown now. Still transmits Orange GPRS on 33 but transmits 3G on 30 (although it shouldn't bother as you're lucky to get 0.1m/bits out of it).

Still waiting for 4G upgrade (hopefully they change the panels as they are really old). No planning application for it though so it's still going to be a while
jonmorris
19-10-2016
Had an interesting chat with someone I know at EE, albeit not with great news regarding VoLTE.

Firstly, it seems Huawei can't get VoLTE working with EE's set up - although they are being pressured to find a solution for the 6P, P9 and others.

As I mentioned before, Huawei IS testing VoLTE in some markets/some networks, but having issues. EE won't accept a roll out until it is working properly, so that means no VoLTE for the foreseeable future - but it isn't forgotten.

Indeed, EE is pressuring all the manufacturers to add support which is why we're seeing phones getting support natively now, not needing an EE-supplied model. That's intentional.

The Nexus 5X apparently is working, and of course both Pixel phones are supported.

I am therefore slowly starting to realise that I may have to just get a Pixel XL if I want to finally get a phone that supports VoLTE perfectly and is Cat 9 capable.
d123
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I am therefore slowly starting to realise that I may have to just get a Pixel XL if I want to finally get a phone that supports VoLTE perfectly and is Cat 9 capable.”

Or you could buy an iPhone 7
Everything Goes
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“Or you could buy an iPhone 7 ”

I agree and not an Apple fan but support and OS updates are much better
jonmorris
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“Or you could buy an iPhone 7 ”

Yes, I could.

But I won't, because I've got far too much invested in Android apps wise. I'm one of perhaps only a few people that has actually bought a lot of apps (mind you, Google Rewards has paid me over £40 to fund a lot of purchases) and I've also got content on the Play Store etc.

So, I doubt I'll ever be going back to iOS unless it's a review device. I do actually have purchased apps on iOS though, but nowhere near as many.
d123
19-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Google Rewards has paid me over £40 to fund a lot of purchases) and I've also got content on the Play Store etc.
”

I need to try harder, I think I've only got around a tenner from Google Rewards
Pedro_C
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“I've seen those panels before somewhere. One of the local EE/3 masts near to me has one of those single input panels (though it is in conjunction with triple input panels). I'm also sure that Pedro_C has some examples on his website where Vodafone/O2 have used hose single input panels as well.

Chances are those panels will be replaced with dual or tri bands when Three decide to put L18 on, and/oe Three/EE put L08 on. Though I'm assuming that will happen when the backhaul is upgraded, as I remember you saying before that it is single speed 4G due to microwave backhaul.

Also couldn't help but notice the legacy Vod panels. UG09? Or just G09?”

VF and O2 is only fairly rare to use a single high band on sectors. Primarily for U21 where high on tri multiband is L18. What panels depends a bit on which each MNO wants in the area.
_m
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“It's currently Orange 2G only but I wonder what it will get upgraded to... Anyone?”

4G fam
Caspa_The_Ghost
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Had an interesting chat with someone I know at EE, albeit not with great news regarding VoLTE.

Firstly, it seems Huawei can't get VoLTE working with EE's set up - although they are being pressured to find a solution for the 6P, P9 and others.

As I mentioned before, Huawei IS testing VoLTE in some markets/some networks, but having issues. EE won't accept a roll out until it is working properly, so that means no VoLTE for the foreseeable future - but it isn't forgotten.

Indeed, EE is pressuring all the manufacturers to add support which is why we're seeing phones getting support natively now, not needing an EE-supplied model. That's intentional.

The Nexus 5X apparently is working, and of course both Pixel phones are supported.

I am therefore slowly starting to realise that I may have to just get a Pixel XL if I want to finally get a phone that supports VoLTE perfectly and is Cat 9 capable.”

Yep, year on and still no voLTE on my 6P. Thankfully I'm picking up an XL tomorrow so will be testing both capabilities!
_m
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by packages:
“This is my mast: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.85...7i13312!8i6656

The base is completely overgrown now. Still transmits Orange GPRS on 33 but transmits 3G on 30 (although it shouldn't bother as you're lucky to get 0.1m/bits out of it).

Still waiting for 4G upgrade (hopefully they change the panels as they are really old). No planning application for it though so it's still going to be a while ”

They can do LTE through those panels, whether they will is another story but I have seen masts doing it.

Depending on the area, there's a reasonable chance that 4G could be added without a planning app.
Denco1
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“
I am therefore slowly starting to realise that I may have to just get a Pixel XL if I want to finally get a phone that supports VoLTE perfectly and is Cat 9 capable.”

The S7/e and Xperia XZ are also capable of both are they not? Or do you mean including the sim free models?
jonmorris
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“I need to try harder, I think I've only got around a tenner from Google Rewards ”

It seems to make a difference what phone you've got. When I used my Nexus 6P as my daily driver, I got a survey almost every day. Average payments 10p to 60p.

On my Honor 8, I've not had a single survey in about two months.

But I have had surveys on other phones too.

My wife seems to let surveys expire and I keep telling her not to. She's also got a 6P.

Maybe Pixel owners will get paid even more!
jonmorris
20-10-2016
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“The S7/e and Xperia XZ are also capable of both are they not? Or do you mean including the sim free models?”

The non EE supplied/branded ones. Quite a few models now have the settings in as standard, so you don't have to buy the EE model.
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