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EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)
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Gigabit
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by oscar1:
“Do any of you take up these connection and dropped calls problems with EE etc or just post here about it ?
Regards”

He seems to be the type that just rants on Twitter at early hours of the day.
georgi_prodanov
06-12-2016
wonder why on roadworks.org it does not show EE but T-Mobile UK Limited
Synthetic42
06-12-2016
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“wonder why on roadworks.org it does not show EE but T-Mobile UK Limited”

Historical reasons
jo_m1
07-12-2016
So VoLTE is now back up and running for me, however I cannot send SMS text messages anymore on my iPhone.

Tried resetting network settings, turning off iMessage, turning off WiFi-calling - nothing helped.

Does anyone know a fix for this?
georgi_prodanov
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by jo_m1:
“So VoLTE is now back up and running for me, however I cannot send SMS text messages anymore on my iPhone.

Tried resetting network settings, turning off iMessage, turning off WiFi-calling - nothing helped.

Does anyone know a fix for this?”

Have you ported your number over to EE recently?
The Lord Lucan
08-12-2016
Anyone else having issues with the EE coverage map when scrolling out? i.e. Getting an error. In my browser console I'm getting

"You have exceeded your daily request quota for this API. We recommend enabling billing to get a higher quota: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/usage"

Someone at EE forgot to pay the bill..
jo_m1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“Have you ported your number over to EE recently?”

Yeah, is that a common issue with porting?
georgi_prodanov
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by jo_m1:
“Yeah, is that a common issue with porting?”

No it is not. When port number once it is completed you need to go to settings then phone and then my number, you need to check the number with the one you have ported. Because if there is the old one saved, messages will not work. I think that may be the issue. Once you change it just restart phone and should be all good. Also when you go to contacts on top it should be showing your phone number and it has to be the new one you have ported
GavinAshford
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan:
“Anyone else having issues with the EE coverage map when scrolling out? i.e. Getting an error. In my browser console I'm getting

"You have exceeded your daily request quota for this API. We recommend enabling billing to get a higher quota: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/usage"

Someone at EE forgot to pay the bill.. ”

Yeah had this just over a week ago when looking to see if the 800 layers had been updated. I figured that they'd probably been testing/developing the new layer quite a bit in the past weeks so the hit rate was higher than it might normally be.
Gigabit
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“No it is not. When port number once it is completed you need to go to settings then phone and then my number, you need to check the number with the one you have ported. Because if there is the old one saved, messages will not work. I think that may be the issue. Once you change it just restart phone and should be all good. Also when you go to contacts on top it should be showing your phone number and it has to be the new one you have ported”

That would only affect iMessage, not SMS.
ozz
08-12-2016
4G Coverage map updated.......don't get too exited though!
georgi_prodanov
08-12-2016
Guys have a look at this. Very interesting http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/7...ckhaul-4g.html
CheshireBumpkin
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“Guys have a look at this. Very interesting http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/7...ckhaul-4g.html”

I struggle with the concept of satellite backhaul for 4G. Satellite broadband is generally sh*t, with horrible latency, relatively low speeds and horrific contention on consumer links.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a commercial backhaul link to have contention problems (although satellite capacity is finite, so maybe it would still be a problem) and I guess you could combine multiple links to get reasonable speeds, but I don't see how you get around the latency problem. Nothing can reduce the distance to the satellite (as far as I know!) so I'd still expect huge ping times.

I don't see how that is compatible with what we consider 'the norm' for a 4G connection.
kev
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin:
“I struggle with the concept of satellite backhaul for 4G. Satellite broadband is generally sh*t, with horrible latency, relatively low speeds and horrific contention on consumer links.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a commercial backhaul link to have contention problems (although satellite capacity is finite, so maybe it would still be a problem) and I guess you could combine multiple links to get reasonable speeds, but I don't see how you get around the latency problem. Nothing can reduce the distance to the satellite (as far as I know!) so I'd still expect huge ping times.

I don't see how that is compatible with what we consider 'the norm' for a 4G connection.”

The latency is reduced somewhat with LEO satellites (like the GPS ones or Sirus Radio in the US) rather than Geostationary ones. Alas, EuropaSat is using geostationary ka band... That being said, these are likly to be the sites with few users aren't they in the wilds of Scotland etc aren't they?
blueacid
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by kev:
“The latency is reduced somewhat with LEO satellites (like the GPS ones or Sirus Radio in the US) rather than Geostationary ones. Alas, EuropaSat is using geostationary ka band... That being said, these are likly to be the sites with few users aren't they in the wilds of Scotland etc aren't they?”

But with geostationary orbit you've got a round trip time of about 700msec, so even a voice call at this latency is going to be noticeably delayed.
moox
09-12-2016
I can see satellite being useful for extremely remote places - yes the latency will be horrendous but it's better than nothing.

I just hope that it is used only for the back of beyond, and not anywhere where it takes more than minimal effort to fibre or microwave it.
mobilecentre
09-12-2016
EE announced months ago they were going to use sat backhaul to deploy various sites to meet ESN coverage after carrying out various trials.
CheshireBumpkin
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“I just hope that it is used only for the back of beyond, and not anywhere where it takes more than minimal effort to fibre or microwave it.”

That's my biggest concern. Around here they've shown no inclination to tackle anything obviously 'difficult'. BT aren't exactly known for pushing boundaries either...
DevonBloke
10-12-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“I can see satellite being useful for extremely remote places - yes the latency will be horrendous but it's better than nothing.

I just hope that it is used only for the back of beyond, and not anywhere where it takes more than minimal effort to fibre or microwave it.”

Will just be used where MW is not possible, i.e, very remote. I doubt latency would be as bad as standard satellite broadband but would still be bad and the trend is to push ping times down, not up! A lot could be for the ESN only sites. I've had WiFi calling working over a 800ms sat link so VoLTE should be fine too. In theory, (taking into account that ground to sat to ground and then back again should be half a second or around 90,000 miles), if all the kit is dedicated to mobile backhaul then pings of 500-600ms should be possible.
Aaron_McGowan
10-12-2016
I've just had a look on my phone and it looks like my local 4G mast is down. Signal unusually weak (-110dBm). 3G and 2G are fine though.

I wonder if EE are doing any 800MHz work on my mast?
The Lord Lucan
10-12-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“I can see satellite being useful for extremely remote places - yes the latency will be horrendous but it's better than nothing.

I just hope that it is used only for the back of beyond, and not anywhere where it takes more than minimal effort to fibre or microwave it.”

Not going to happen.. easy to daisy chain microwave, it's how nearly how all remote sites get their current backhaul. I know of a few places getting fibre that are seriously remote, but they are not doing it as a rush job, just when the contractor are not doing other things and getting a cheaper rate. Compared to the rush jobs that most FVM or BT lays are being done as.
_m
10-12-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“t hope that it is used only for the back of beyond, and not anywhere where it takes more than minimal effort to fibre or microwave it.”

I guarantee that they won't be botching this as their customer will be the country's emergency services.
I suspect that most sites with satellite backhaul will have it as a backup in case the MW or fibre goes down and there may be some *super* remote sites running just off satellite where it would be a case of either satellite backhaul or no site.
The Lord Lucan
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by _m:
“I guarantee that they won't be botching this as their customer will be the country's emergency services.
I suspect that most sites with satellite backhaul will have it as a backup in case the MW or fibre goes down and there may be some *super* remote sites running just off satellite where it would be a case of either satellite backhaul or no site.”

THIS.
Ashley_Bradbury
12-12-2016
I've just had the antenna fitted on a new EE mast in my street. Does anyone know how long it takes to go live?
DevonBloke
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ashley_Bradbury:
“I've just had the antenna fitted on a new EE mast in my street. Does anyone know how long it takes to go live?”

Varies a lot but most of the ones around here were 2-4 weeks.
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