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What's the field test number that can be dialled from the iPhone? Thanks Baz |
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Thx for that ![]() What band is 800MHz? Thanks Baz |
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Thx for that ![]() What band is 800MHz? Thanks Baz |
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Good luck getting quick android updates.
Samsung is slow as hell as it is, now you have to wait for EE to taint it. I am hoping (maybe naively lol) that at some point EE (and other networks) will start using the native settings that Google have introduced into Android for things like WiFi calling and VoLTE and then I can flash to the unlocked BTU firmware. We shall see. |
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What's the field test number that can be dialled from the iPhone? Thanks Baz Please remember the * Edit: Beaten |
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Video about TETRA Airwave and GSM-R railway masts with a bit of ESN.
ESN being a bit about EE hence why on this thread. Shame about the closing of the big thread, found 10K posts quite amazing! ![]() I wonder if EE will improve coverage even further, seeing as though they have the ESN contract? Also, what's going to happen to the old 450MHz Tetra masts? |
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Wifi Calling was short lived on my 5X. It's randomly decided to stop working now!
Still having that odd thing where if Wifi is enabled, the mobile signal indicator drops down to about 1/2 bars though. I sense this update has a few bugs... Edit: Did an IT Crowd (turn it off and on again), seems to be behaving now. |
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I saw that video last night, it was very informative as always, so thanks
![]() I wonder if EE will improve coverage even further, seeing as though they have the ESN contract? Also, what's going to happen to the old 450MHz Tetra masts? |
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4G450 blanket coverage over the whole UK.
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EE's coverage should increase both because of the 800 and the push to have coverage basically everywhere for ESN. The 450MHz masts will possibly be left to decay, maybe removed. It's not impossible that in the future we could have 4G450
I doubt that even 800 would make much of a difference there, seeing as though there are no masts that close to Eye... perhaps EE would have to make an application to join onto the CTIL mast, or make their own mast there? I was thinking myself whether 4G450 would be possible. Alright, the data rate is not going to be brilliant, but it'll cover pretty much everywhere. Perhaps, if 4G450 did happen, the old Tetra masts could be used, as well as a few additional masts? |
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Why do we need a new thread?
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In which case, let's hope that the area around Eye Village, Cambridgeshire/Peterborough, is improved! On the A47 near Eye, there is virtually no 3G at all, 4G is also weak (according to the coverage checker) and even 2G doesn't appear to be that strong. Its a big weak area for EE and Three - yet Voda and O2 are fine, due to a CTIL mast near the outskirts of the village.
I doubt that even 800 would make much of a difference there, seeing as though there are no masts that close to Eye... perhaps EE would have to make an application to join onto the CTIL mast, or make their own mast there? I was thinking myself whether 4G450 would be possible. Alright, the data rate is not going to be brilliant, but it'll cover pretty much everywhere. Perhaps, if 4G450 did happen, the old Tetra masts could be used, as well as a few additional masts? It's the bandwidth that you need to look at. 5Mhz of 4G450 would be slowish like 5Mhz of 800 but 20Mhz of 450 would be fast. The current Tetra system has slow data simply because it is very similar to GSM in that it uses TDMA. So data about 9Kbp unless you start aggregating time slots and even then you go from dog slow to 2x/3x dog slow. LTE is a whole different kettle of fish. |
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I think if a thread gets too long it can cause trouble for the forum database or something like that.... you see a lot of popular threads being divided up as they grow.
I occasionally post in the "CTAM" thread, in Chatter - they are on part 165 at the moment. They got about 12,000 posts out of the last thread (P164), but in the early parts of the thread (P1, P2 etc) they were only doing 3,000 posts per thread. DS must have increased the server capabilities since then. Other forums that use the same software as DS also tend to have to split long threads into parts, again due to performance issues. |
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As I was corrected on a while ago, the frequency doesn't have much effect on throughput.
It's the bandwidth that you need to look at. 5Mhz of 4G450 would be slowish like 5Mhz of 800 but 20Mhz of 450 would be fast. The current Tetra system has slow data simply because it is very similar to GSM in that it uses TDMA. So data about 9Kbp unless you start aggregating time slots and even then you go from dog slow to 2x/3x dog slow. LTE is a whole different kettle of fish. Anything that works very similarly to GSM would probably be quite slow - 9kbps would be useless for mobile use! And having a speed that is 3x better than "dog slow" would probably still be very close to "dog slow". Just like GPRS vs EDGE - neither are any good for media streaming services such as Youtube, Spotify, Tunein Radio etc, because GPRS is max 55kbps (EDGE is 4x faster), and 4 times faster than "unusable for most things, including Tunein" is still going to be almost unusable for a lot of things. If only EE was allowed to use the 450 band - presumable for VoLTE devices only - because whilst 800 at full power would be greatly improved coverage (compared to 1800/2100), 450 at full power would be awesome for coverage. Though that begs the question: are there any devices out there that support 4G450? |
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https://flic.kr/p/F829io https://flic.kr/p/Fak9tV
Right, did a speed test on 800mhz which you can see in the image link above. Can confirm that VoLTE is NOT live on 800mhz currently. I would guess (I think I'm right) that 800mhz is being restricted to stick within 2G1800 currently and not 3G2100 otherwise I would never be able to get it. Bookey? |
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https://flic.kr/p/F829io https://flic.kr/p/Fak9tV
Right, did a speed test on 800mhz which you can see in the image link above. Can confirm that VoLTE is NOT live on 800mhz currently. I would guess (I think I'm right) that 800mhz is being restricted to stick within 2G1800 currently and not 3G2100 otherwise I would never be able to get it. Bookey? Is this in an area which is covered well by 3G2100 or 2G1800? And are there multiple masts covering the area? Because I always thought that 800 would always run at full power (when 4G Calling/VoLTE is turned on), so perhaps putting 800 at full power would be ok if there is adjacent 3G2100 or 2G1800 coverage. |
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Not a bad speed; that looks to be about the same sort of speed that you expect on 3G2100 - though of course, 4G800 will travel much further than 3G2100 will.
Is this in an area which is covered well by 3G2100 or 2G1800? And are there multiple masts covering the area? Because I always thought that 800 would always run at full power (when 4G Calling/VoLTE is turned on), so perhaps putting 800 at full power would be ok if there is adjacent 3G2100 or 2G1800 coverage. I'm pretty sure 800mhz will be run at full power/VoLTE devices only, it's just being tested at the moment? |
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Where is 'Here' and do u tell if ur connected to 800MHz?
![]() When connected to it on my iPhone field test shows band 20. |
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LTE is a different beast altogether.
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Doesn't need fixing thanks.It was intentional. Rephrased - LTE is an amazing technology with fantastic speed and capacity that was somewhat ballsed up by not having mandatory voice at launch. i.e Kettle of fish. |
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Doesn't need fixing thanks.
It was intentional. Rephrased - LTE is an amazing technology with fantastic speed and capacity that was somewhat ballsed up by not having mandatory voice at launch. i.e Kettle of fish. Now to update my 6P for some WiFi calling and hopefully voLTE... Edit: Just seen XDA and looks like my hopes was in vain. |
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Doesn't need fixing thanks.
It was intentional. Rephrased - LTE is an amazing technology with fantastic speed and capacity that was somewhat ballsed up by not having mandatory voice at launch. i.e Kettle of fish. One day, all 4G devices will have 4G calling. Then the VoLTE devices will use 4G for calling, with everything else using 3G, and 2G goes. Or, 2G and 3G both go when we get 5G (with voice from the start). If 2G did a half decent data rate (say 2-3Mbps), I wouldn't be so anti-2G! But 220kbps is a joke (particularly for streaming media, I doubt it would even run the 144p Youtube videos, Spotify would barely work, and Tunein would only work on low quality streams) and 55kbps is even worse (try streaming Tunein on 55kbps!). We need voice and data on all devices, and 2G just cannot fulfill that. |
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I still maintain that even if 4G had had voice from the start (and you are right, it could have just been rolled out at high power), they would have got rid of 3G first (to get that spectrum over to 4G). There would have still been some 2G left for legacy devices and M2M for the foreseeable future.
3G is an abomination and should never have happened. Find me a network that disagrees. |
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Looking like it'll soon be the beast it was always meant to be!
Now to update my 6P for some WiFi calling and hopefully voLTE... Edit: Just seen XDA and looks like my hopes was in vain. |
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We need voice and data on all devices, and 2G just cannot fulfill that.
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