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EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)
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beans0ntoast
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by packages:
“That 95% commitment is good to know! BT really must be serious about investing in EE then.

PS Check your PMs please!”

Is that 95% commitment for 2G, 3G or 4G, or the lot?

Would be awesome if 3G and 4G got 95% geo

This would mean though, that weakspots (which I have already mentioned before) will need to be infilled with new masts!
packages
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Is that 95% commitment for 2G, 3G or 4G, or the lot?

Would be awesome if 3G and 4G got 95% geo

This would mean though, that weakspots (which I have already mentioned before) will need to be infilled with new masts!”

It's for 4G geography. No mention of 3G or 2G, but why bother? 4G will be the standard in 2020. It will be the basic service you will expect.
de525ma
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Is that 95% commitment for 2G, 3G or 4G, or the lot?

Would be awesome if 3G and 4G got 95% geo

This would mean though, that weakspots (which I have already mentioned before) will need to be infilled with new masts!”

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CheshireBumpkin
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“http://media1.giphy.com/media/6OWIl75ibpuFO/giphy.gif”

DevonBloke
29-04-2016
By 2020 I would have expected a chunk of 2100 to be brought over to 4G.. probably...
Virtually no one will be using it by then as the majority of handsets, even cheap basic ones will do VoLTE and coverage will be so dense that 3G will vanish.
2G will vanish too for most but it will stick around for a while for M2M and legacy handsets.
de525ma
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“By 2020 I would have expected a chunk of 2100 to be brought over to 4G.. probably...
Virtually no one will be using it by then as the majority of handsets, even cheap basic ones will do VoLTE and coverage will be so dense that 3G will vanish.
2G will vanish too for most but it will stick around for a while for M2M and legacy handsets.”

I really would stop trying to explain this point. It isn't ever going to sink in
WelshBluebird
29-04-2016
My EE Galaxy S7 Edge got the April Security update last night that the unlocked version got just a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if EE are starting to get better with updates?
Stereo Steve
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“I really would stop trying to explain this point. It isn't ever going to sink in ”

I still like the idea of having portable 3G cells mounted on ex GPO LDV200 vans. As I suggested before, you could drive towards the customer as the cell breathed in, thereby negating all of 3G's problems. Sometimes you might have to choose between customers but you would simply have a Tesla style dash display made from an old speak and spell toy which would tell you which one was paying the most. Backhaul might also be an issue but you could have backhaul recharge points in filling stations where you could charge it back up in some kind of impossible way. There could even be a 'fibre' or 'copper' recharge option. Fibre taking longer of course.

I have forwarded detailed plans to all of the UK networks but none seem interested at the moment. Not worried though, they'll soon be grovelling at my door. I hope it's soon as the MOT on my van is up in June.
Synthetic42
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by WelshBluebird:
“My EE Galaxy S7 Edge got the April Security update last night that the unlocked version got just a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if EE are starting to get better with updates?”

Any VoLTE?
kev
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by WelshBluebird:
“My EE Galaxy S7 Edge got the April Security update last night that the unlocked version got just a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if EE are starting to get better with updates?”

For the Xperia range (Z1C and Z5C anyway) EE are absolutely useless at getting the first major step (e.g. first Marshmellow release) out first, but seem to be quick with the minor updates (often they are one of the first networks to have a minor point release but never had the original main one)
de525ma
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by Synthetic42:
“Any VoLTE?”

No sign of it in call settings, I also received the update this morning.
bookey_uk
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Is that 95% commitment for 2G, 3G or 4G, or the lot?

Would be awesome if 3G and 4G got 95% geo

This would mean though, that weakspots (which I have already mentioned before) will need to be infilled with new masts!”

Would you deploy legacy technology in a higher spectrum band that will provide less coverage?....
beans0ntoast
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by bookey_uk:
“Would you deploy legacy technology in a higher spectrum band that will provide less coverage?....”

Haha Bookey, I get the point! That means it'll be 4G, due to the cell breathing and other issues with 3G.

I suppose that 3G is just a step-gap technology until all devices are doing VoLTE - then it'll be 4G as standard, meaning that both 2G and 3G get the axe (with the exception of possibly 5MHz 2G for M2M?).
de525ma
29-04-2016
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de525ma
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Haha Bookey, I get the point! That means it'll be 4G, due to the cell breathing and other issues with 3G.

I suppose that 3G is just a step-gap technology until all devices are doing VoLTE - then it'll be 4G as standard, meaning that both 2G and 3G get the axe (with the exception of possibly 5MHz 2G for M2M?).”

You don't even need VoLTE if you have 2G running underneath! Any 4G device will do.
beans0ntoast
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by packages:
“It's for 4G geography. No mention of 3G or 2G, but why bother? 4G will be the standard in 2020. It will be the basic service you will expect.”

I suppose that 3G and 2G may well get rolled out in masts at present, but I have to agree with you for the long term plan. When VoLTE is sorted out on all devices, 3G becomes pointless (due to cell breathing, and data speeds are higher on 4G than 3G) and 2G becomes pointless (due to the same coverage, but much better voice and data quality on 4G). Result: Long term you get an excellent 4G network, with possibly 5MHz of 2G for any M2M devices that are still 2G. Anyone that's not got VoLTE will need a new device.

Yep, that'll mean my S4 will be obsolete, but technology in 2020 will probably be much better than what it was in 2013 (the release year of the S4).
Synthetic42
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“No sign of it in call settings, I also received the update this morning.”

I think it might just work, no toggle or anything
Broken Hope
29-04-2016
I wonder when VoLTE is fully rolled out if that setting will disappear on iOS and the only 4G option will be a simple on and off.

There's no benefit to being able to disable VoLTE right?
de525ma
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by Synthetic42:
“I think it might just work, no toggle or anything”

Not according to another thread, the unbranded version got a setting added to enable VoLTE (OP was on 3) from the same (or similar) update.
packages
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by Broken Hope:
“I wonder when VoLTE is fully rolled out if that setting will disappear on iOS and the only 4G option will be a simple on and off.

There's no benefit to being able to disable VoLTE right?”

It's like this in the US where VoLTE has been active for a while so not anytime soon.
Synthetic42
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by de525ma:
“Not according to another thread, the unbranded version got a setting added to enable VoLTE (OP was on 3) from the same (or similar) update.”

Seems to be different on EE, I'm on the BTU firmware and there's no VoLTE settings with an EE sim in
joemcd
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by Synthetic42:
“Seems to be different on EE, I'm on the BTU firmware and there's no VoLTE settings with an EE sim in ”

On the BTU firmware the setting shows when you put in your 3 SIM and then disappears of you put in an EE SIM. I had a play around with the IMS settings but the VoLTE setting wouldn't stick. I wonder will the new EE firmware have it ? If so I'll temporarily go back to it.
d123
29-04-2016
Originally Posted by Synthetic42:
“Seems to be different on EE, I'm on the BTU firmware and there's no VoLTE settings with an EE sim in ”

I would guess the fact VoLTE is currently iPhone only could be the reason for that.
Synthetic42
29-04-2016
Regular S7 version out too

http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/d...FEVR1APD1_EVR/
jonmorris
29-04-2016
EE probably wants to isolate problems before launch, so using just one handset type helps. Before launch, I expect they'll allow other handsets on. Then we'll get the official launch with a big fanfare.
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