Originally Posted by joemcd:
“I wonder will the new EE firmware have it ? If so I'll temporarily go back to it.”
“I wonder will the new EE firmware have it ? If so I'll temporarily go back to it.”
No. It doesn't.
EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)
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Originally Posted by de525ma:
“You don't even need VoLTE if you have 2G running underneath! Any 4G device will do.”
“You don't even need VoLTE if you have 2G running underneath! Any 4G device will do.”
But then you've got the problem of having ancient devices (much older than my S4) running an ancient technology, and modern phones unnecessarily jumping from 4G to 2G - even when not for calls. Plus the voice quality of 2G is worse than that of 4G VOLTE, or even 3G.
If you're going to kill off one old-ish technology (3G), you might as well kill of an ancient technology (2G) at the same time, and set 4G as the new base layer for coverage etc. Because there's going to be some areas that are just 4G800 only, for signal, and non-Volte (certainly non 4G) devices may not connect to it anyway!
I'd say either keep things as is, with 3G2100 and 4G1800 (it's a shame that EE doesn't have any 900 for 3G!) - or start a fresh with 4G1800 and 4G800 as the base layer for coverage.
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“But then you've got the problem of having ancient devices (much older than my S4) running an ancient technology, and modern phones unnecessarily jumping from 4G to 2G - even when not for calls. Plus the voice quality of 2G is worse than that of 4G VOLTE, or even 3G.
If you're going to kill off one old-ish technology (3G), you might as well kill of an ancient technology (2G) at the same time, and set 4G as the new base layer for coverage etc. Because there's going to be some areas that are just 4G800 only, for signal, and non-Volte (certainly non 4G) devices may not connect to it anyway!
I'd say either keep things as is, with 3G2100 and 4G1800 (it's a shame that EE doesn't have any 900 for 3G!) - or start a fresh with 4G1800 and 4G800 as the base layer for coverage.”
“But then you've got the problem of having ancient devices (much older than my S4) running an ancient technology, and modern phones unnecessarily jumping from 4G to 2G - even when not for calls. Plus the voice quality of 2G is worse than that of 4G VOLTE, or even 3G.
If you're going to kill off one old-ish technology (3G), you might as well kill of an ancient technology (2G) at the same time, and set 4G as the new base layer for coverage etc. Because there's going to be some areas that are just 4G800 only, for signal, and non-Volte (certainly non 4G) devices may not connect to it anyway!
I'd say either keep things as is, with 3G2100 and 4G1800 (it's a shame that EE doesn't have any 900 for 3G!) - or start a fresh with 4G1800 and 4G800 as the base layer for coverage.”
One reason for keeping 2G is that it doesn't take up much spectrum and can easily handle voice and SMS. Especially from the ultra cheap £10 things you can buy these days, but also for applications like M2M. Plus you don't have to deal with cell breathing
4G can then be used to provide data and VoLTE for capable devices. Modern phones won't need to jump, they can stay on 4G
Your S4 will likely have died long before EE and co. even announce a 3G shutdown. For everyone else, it's possible that the costs of operating 3G will outweigh the costs of offering free phones for those who need an upgrade. And all 3G phones will do 2G so it's not a total loss of service
This all seems a bit groundhog day and my post is probably part 20482483084283 in this discussion
Posted a few days ago, and the list has been updated since that forum post.
This is the actual EE 4G Calling page which they update as they add locations:
http://ee.co.uk/help/phones-and-device/4g-calling
Full announcement here including VoLTE roll out to be completed by the end of July.
http://ee.co.uk/our-company/newsroom...ge_to_95_of_UK
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“Oh, Plymouth is live....
Going down there tomorrow.
Try out the VoLTE goodness!!
”
“Oh, Plymouth is live....
Going down there tomorrow.
Try out the VoLTE goodness!!
”
Got added earlier this week.
Originally Posted by d123:
“Got added earlier this week.”
“Got added earlier this week.”
Yeah. I was there Sunday and it wasn't on then.
In Cheshire today and this is an area which needs some 800MHz love lol. Still haven't experienced a VoLTE call yet hopefully it doesn't take them long roll it out across the whole network.
Originally Posted by enapace:
“In Cheshire today and this is an area which needs some 800MHz love lol. Still haven't experienced a VoLTE call yet hopefully it doesn't take them long roll it out across the whole network.”
“In Cheshire today and this is an area which needs some 800MHz love lol. Still haven't experienced a VoLTE call yet hopefully it doesn't take them long roll it out across the whole network.”
I'm surprised you're even seeing 4G, depending on whereabouts in the county you are!
VoLTE? Pah!
Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin:
“I'm surprised you're even seeing 4G, depending on whereabouts in the county you are!
VoLTE? Pah!”
“I'm surprised you're even seeing 4G, depending on whereabouts in the county you are!
VoLTE? Pah!
”
I'm in the east of the county just arrived in Crewe to be precise. I was talking about as you come from Staffordshire signal was awful couldn't get 3G at certain points. Just seemed a good area for 800MHz LTE. Quite a rural flat area imagine it would work quite well.
Originally Posted by enapace:
“I'm in the east of the county just arrived in Crewe to be precise. I was talking about as you come from Staffordshire signal was awful couldn't get 3G at certain points. Just seemed a good area for 800MHz LTE. Quite a rural flat area imagine it would work quite well.”
“I'm in the east of the county just arrived in Crewe to be precise. I was talking about as you come from Staffordshire signal was awful couldn't get 3G at certain points. Just seemed a good area for 800MHz LTE. Quite a rural flat area imagine it would work quite well.”
Ah, Crewe is fairly civilised (in phone coverage terms anyway
) and the East of the county is quite well catered for. Us yokel-types in the South and West could definitely do with some 800, you're right.
EE are building 500 new sites for the ESN, 300 are macro sites so I wonder if these are within their "consumer" rollout strategy as they say they are building new core network just for ESN.
Part of the requirement is power resilience so I am not sure what the standard run time is now and what is required but potentially every site may have to be visited again for a UPS upgrade!
The project to set up new sites to provide coverage is called EAS but I could not find any specific detail.
They are also considering satellite backhaul to enable a rapid deployment which apparently they have been testing with success so should not be a problem sticking a few new sites down in Devon
Part of the requirement is power resilience so I am not sure what the standard run time is now and what is required but potentially every site may have to be visited again for a UPS upgrade!
The project to set up new sites to provide coverage is called EAS but I could not find any specific detail.
They are also considering satellite backhaul to enable a rapid deployment which apparently they have been testing with success so should not be a problem sticking a few new sites down in Devon
Originally Posted by mobilecentre:
“They are also considering satellite backhaul to enable a rapid deployment which apparently they have been testing with success so should not be a problem sticking a few new sites down in Devon”
“They are also considering satellite backhaul to enable a rapid deployment which apparently they have been testing with success so should not be a problem sticking a few new sites down in Devon
”
Ye gods - just think of the latency!
OK, so I am 4G roaming in Portugal (on NOS, can't seem to access any other network even 2G) and noticed VoLTE on the dialer?
http://imgur.com/Gc0XsXY
Slightly odd given that it doesn't appear to actually be VoLTE. Seems to be handing down to 2G. 4G and 2G are much stronger than 3G in this location.
http://imgur.com/Gc0XsXY
Slightly odd given that it doesn't appear to actually be VoLTE. Seems to be handing down to 2G. 4G and 2G are much stronger than 3G in this location.
Well, I've been doing some 4G testing on my new EE SIM and so far, all is good!
There's one mast on the A1, North of Stamford, and that game me 92Mbps down and 46Mbps upload! Awesome!
Also tested what was an old Orange mast near Colsterworth, and got 41Mbps down and 37Mbps up.
The mast in Metheringham, Lincolnshire was also tested, though I wasn't actually in Metheringham for the vast majority of the day. The signal strength was about 2 bars, and the mast provided 59Mbps down, and 6.5Mbps up. Interestingly, 3G in this location (again 2 to 3 bars, so 3G was slightly stronger) provided 8Mbps down and 2Mbps up, which again wasn't bad. I suspect that it would easily have provided 10-15Mbps down on 3G in a stronger signal area. As for 4G on that mast, I did test it whilst passing the mast (so strong signal area) and got 58Mbps down and 35Mbps up.
So far so good. Although, on this new SIM, I have to choose between pure 4G testing (in which case, stick it on LTE only), streaming reliability (3G only), or general testing (default mode). I can't keep my S4 in default all of the time, due to how it likes to jump to EDGE/GPRS, despite 3G (or even 4G) being present, albeit at a weaker signal strength.
There's one mast on the A1, North of Stamford, and that game me 92Mbps down and 46Mbps upload! Awesome!
Also tested what was an old Orange mast near Colsterworth, and got 41Mbps down and 37Mbps up.
The mast in Metheringham, Lincolnshire was also tested, though I wasn't actually in Metheringham for the vast majority of the day. The signal strength was about 2 bars, and the mast provided 59Mbps down, and 6.5Mbps up. Interestingly, 3G in this location (again 2 to 3 bars, so 3G was slightly stronger) provided 8Mbps down and 2Mbps up, which again wasn't bad. I suspect that it would easily have provided 10-15Mbps down on 3G in a stronger signal area. As for 4G on that mast, I did test it whilst passing the mast (so strong signal area) and got 58Mbps down and 35Mbps up.
So far so good. Although, on this new SIM, I have to choose between pure 4G testing (in which case, stick it on LTE only), streaming reliability (3G only), or general testing (default mode). I can't keep my S4 in default all of the time, due to how it likes to jump to EDGE/GPRS, despite 3G (or even 4G) being present, albeit at a weaker signal strength.
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Well, I've been doing some 4G testing on my new EE SIM and so far, all is good!
There's one mast on the A1, North of Stamford, and that game me 92Mbps down and 46Mbps upload! Awesome!
Also tested what was an old Orange mast near Colsterworth, and got 41Mbps down and 37Mbps up.
The mast in Metheringham, Lincolnshire was also tested, though I wasn't actually in Metheringham for the vast majority of the day. The signal strength was about 2 bars, and the mast provided 59Mbps down, and 6.5Mbps up. Interestingly, 3G in this location (again 2 to 3 bars, so 3G was slightly stronger) provided 8Mbps down and 2Mbps up, which again wasn't bad. I suspect that it would easily have provided 10-15Mbps down on 3G in a stronger signal area. As for 4G on that mast, I did test it whilst passing the mast (so strong signal area) and got 58Mbps down and 35Mbps up.
So far so good. Although, on this new SIM, I have to choose between pure 4G testing (in which case, stick it on LTE only), streaming reliability (3G only), or general testing (default mode). I can't keep my S4 in default all of the time, due to how it likes to jump to EDGE/GPRS, despite 3G (or even 4G) being present, albeit at a weaker signal strength.”
“Well, I've been doing some 4G testing on my new EE SIM and so far, all is good!
There's one mast on the A1, North of Stamford, and that game me 92Mbps down and 46Mbps upload! Awesome!
Also tested what was an old Orange mast near Colsterworth, and got 41Mbps down and 37Mbps up.
The mast in Metheringham, Lincolnshire was also tested, though I wasn't actually in Metheringham for the vast majority of the day. The signal strength was about 2 bars, and the mast provided 59Mbps down, and 6.5Mbps up. Interestingly, 3G in this location (again 2 to 3 bars, so 3G was slightly stronger) provided 8Mbps down and 2Mbps up, which again wasn't bad. I suspect that it would easily have provided 10-15Mbps down on 3G in a stronger signal area. As for 4G on that mast, I did test it whilst passing the mast (so strong signal area) and got 58Mbps down and 35Mbps up.
So far so good. Although, on this new SIM, I have to choose between pure 4G testing (in which case, stick it on LTE only), streaming reliability (3G only), or general testing (default mode). I can't keep my S4 in default all of the time, due to how it likes to jump to EDGE/GPRS, despite 3G (or even 4G) being present, albeit at a weaker signal strength.”
I did a test earlier on my Nexus 5x about 0.5 mile from the Timberland mast, which in turn is about 4 miles from the Metheringham mast you mention. I had 3 bars and was indoors in a 1950's house. 70.51Mbps down but a mere 6.86Mbps up.
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“I can't keep my S4 in default all of the time, due to how it likes to jump to EDGE/GPRS, despite 3G (or even 4G) being present, albeit at a weaker signal strength.”
“I can't keep my S4 in default all of the time, due to how it likes to jump to EDGE/GPRS, despite 3G (or even 4G) being present, albeit at a weaker signal strength.”
Er.... get an iPhone? You'll find they always select the highest priority.
Sometimes you may find yourself stuck on a lower layer (say, 2G). I think this is because of the network holding you on a certain layer (so 2G for example) for a certain amount of time before pushing you higher.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0vaq3uy02...%20am.png?dl=0
Does anyone else have this on their google maps ?
'EE reception problems' at the bottom, it just appeared yesterday 👀
Does anyone else have this on their google maps ?
'EE reception problems' at the bottom, it just appeared yesterday 👀
Has anyone else been finding that Rootmetrics results haven't been uploading over the last two or three weeks? I've emailed them but I'm still awaiting a response.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Isn't that a custom layer? Has someone shared it with you?”
“Isn't that a custom layer? Has someone shared it with you?”
Not as far as I'm aware , I'm not signed into Google maps. I just opened it yesterday to use as a sat nav and that appeared at the bottom othe maps
Originally Posted by _m:
“Has anyone else been finding that Rootmetrics results haven't been uploading over the last two or three weeks? I've emailed them but I'm still awaiting a response.”
“Has anyone else been finding that Rootmetrics results haven't been uploading over the last two or three weeks? I've emailed them but I'm still awaiting a response.”
Be aware that results over 99Mbps will not be recorded on the map.
Don't ask......
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