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Have EE changed any EU roaming add ons?
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Have EE changed any EU roaming add ons?
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But then you've got the problem of having ancient devices (much older than my S4) running an ancient technology, and modern phones unnecessarily jumping from 4G to 2G - even when not for calls. Plus the voice quality of 2G is worse than that of 4G VOLTE, or even 3G.
If you're going to kill off one old-ish technology (3G), you might as well kill of an ancient technology (2G) at the same time, and set 4G as the new base layer for coverage etc. Because there's going to be some areas that are just 4G800 only, for signal, and non-Volte (certainly non 4G) devices may not connect to it anyway! I'd say either keep things as is, with 3G2100 and 4G1800 (it's a shame that EE doesn't have any 900 for 3G!) - or start a fresh with 4G1800 and 4G800 as the base layer for coverage. As for devices without VoLTE support, they could either force them to upgrade, or just sell off their contracts to any of the other three - EE may lose some money from it but it'll be worth it in the end when they no longer have to spend money supporting legacy technology so they'll have more money to spend on building new sites to fill in any coverage holes thus having 4G coverage virtually everywhere. With TETRA being decommissioned soon and the 700MHz auction right round the corner, EE could even move 3G across to those frequencies (and use 2100 for 4G!) and then keep all of the contracts for non-VoLTE devices as, even with cell breathing, they'll have 3G everywhere they have 4G, essentially using it as a backup and for calling on older/inferior devices. |
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I think the best thing for EE to do would be to get rid of 2G completely and sell all of the M2M contracts to O2. Given O2's current lack of 4G in most places, they'll be needing 2G for a while longer whereas EE could just turn it off now (and put 4G on full power!) and most people wouldn't even notice.
As for devices without VoLTE support, they could either force them to upgrade, or just sell off their contracts to any of the other three - EE may lose some money from it but it'll be worth it in the end when they no longer have to spend money supporting legacy technology so they'll have more money to spend on building new sites to fill in any coverage holes thus having 4G coverage virtually everywhere. With TETRA being decommissioned soon and the 700MHz auction right round the corner, EE could even move 3G across to those frequencies (and use 2100 for 4G!) and then keep all of the contracts for non-VoLTE devices as, even with cell breathing, they'll have 3G everywhere they have 4G, essentially using it as a backup and for calling on older/inferior devices. |
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The Euro passes now give 500MB of data per day (all full speed).
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Thought I'd read what you posted somewhere, however the EE website says 100mb at full speed then 400mb at a slower speed :s
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The text I had from them said it changes on 11th May.
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The text I had from them said it changes on 11th May.
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I did a test earlier on my Nexus 5x about 0.5 mile from the Timberland mast, which in turn is about 4 miles from the Metheringham mast you mention. I had 3 bars and was indoors in a 1950's house. 70.51Mbps down but a mere 6.86Mbps up.
I wonder why the upload speeds were comparatively worse? Usually, upload speeds are around the 20-30Mbps (sometimes even more) - unless people in that neck of the woods are using 4G as a replacement to home broadband? |
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Yea..... that's definitely not going to happen
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It's been a while since I pulled the EE 4G maps
1800: http://gdurl.com/kn8I - Green 21st March vs Red 2nd May 2600: http://gdurl.com/cy5G - Grey 21st March vs Red 2nd May |
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It's been a while since I pulled the EE 4G maps
1800: http://gdurl.com/kn8I - Green 21st March vs Red 2nd May 2600: http://gdurl.com/cy5G - Grey 21st March vs Red 2nd May |
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I think the best thing for EE to do would be to get rid of 2G completely and sell all of the M2M contracts to O2. Given O2's current lack of 4G in most places, they'll be needing 2G for a while longer whereas EE could just turn it off now (and put 4G on full power!) and most people wouldn't even notice.
As for devices without VoLTE support, they could either force them to upgrade, or just sell off their contracts to any of the other three - EE may lose some money from it but it'll be worth it in the end when they no longer have to spend money supporting legacy technology so they'll have more money to spend on building new sites to fill in any coverage holes thus having 4G coverage virtually everywhere. With TETRA being decommissioned soon and the 700MHz auction right round the corner, EE could even move 3G across to those frequencies (and use 2100 for 4G!) and then keep all of the contracts for non-VoLTE devices as, even with cell breathing, they'll have 3G everywhere they have 4G, essentially using it as a backup and for calling on older/inferior devices. I do think that getting rid of 2G would be good for data users, as they wouldn't end up being shoved down to 2G in areas that either 3G or 4G is weak (but still usable). Some phones do do this! 3G or 4G is a must for data use, and 3G is also recommended for phone calls, as the quality of 3G (and VoLTE) calls is better than that of 2G calling. So basically, whatever 2G can do, 3G can do better... with the exception of coverage, due to cell breathing. That's where 4G is much better, but it doesn't natively support voice. So non-VOLTE phones have a problem. Switching off 2G would also result in more 1800MHz capacity for 4G, which would help in certain areas. As far as I am aware, 2G is using 25MHz of the 1800 band? Refarm 20MHz to 4G and leave 5MHz for M2M. Or just sell off M2M to Vodafone/O2. Don't think that refarming the ex-TETRA spectrum to 3G would be very viable at all. Firstly, 3G@450MHz will definitely have a lot of raw coverage, and cell breathing wouldn't be as much of an issue. However, you're more likely to have cell breathing taking place - since 450MHz covers a vast area, then unless you have multiple masts covering the same area, 3G450 is going to get very swamped very quickly. If you've got miles upon miles of area covered by one 3G450 mast, then there will be an awful lot of devices on that mast. Not only will the mast be grossly swamped, but 450MHz isn't a brilliant band in terms of carrying large amounts of data. If you want high capacity transmissions for data, that's where bands such as 4G2600 come in handy. 450MHz won't have a lot of capacity at all - so even if it wasn't swamped, data would be slower than currently. But with swamped 3G450 masts, you'd be back to 2G speeds! Oh, and of course, virtually no devices at all support 3G450, meaning that your devices become obsolete anyway. The same goes for the 700MHz bandwidth - 700MHz will have more coverage than 2100MHz, but you've got more chances of the network being swamped. And again, there are very few devices that support 3G700 (though there are probably quite a few devices that support 4G700). If you really want to keep 3G for the long term, your best bet would be to do a deal with Vodafone (or O2) for their 3G900 spectrum. That way, with the amount of masts EE has, using 3G900 at full power would resolve cell breathing issues, and you'd have coverage that either exceeded or matched 2G1800. Then all but 5MHz of 1800 could go to 4G, leaving the 5MHz 2G for M2M only. That, of course, would result in no 3G in a lot of areas on O2/Vodafone, but some areas have never had anything more than 2G from Vodafone/O2 anyway. But even though my plan would be semi-good (more realistic than your plan, anyway), neither are going to happen. Sure enough, there may (or may not) be plans in the long term to decommission TETRA and use that for 4G, but that would have to be VoLTE only. As much as I dislike this (as it will make quite a few data devices obsolete), chances are 3G will go before 2G, and when VoLTE is the norm (on every handset), then 2G will finally disappear. Short-medium term: 4G rollout completes, 800MHz rolled out network wide (along with VoLTE), possibly 2600MHz added to more masts (to deal with congestion) Medium-long term: 3G2100 gets partially (or fully) refarmed to 4G2100, 3G switched off, power increased on 4G1800 to match 2G levels. This would mean that 2G has to deal with a lot more calls, so could only feasibly happen when the vast majority of devices are VoLTE capable. Long term: Everything runs through Volte, M2M devices either get converted to 4G, switched to another network or switched off entirely. 2G gets switched off, everything goes through 4G (or even 5G if it is released). |
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As much as I love this idea, it's just not going to happen.
I do think that getting rid of 2G would be good for data users, as they wouldn't end up being shoved down to 2G in areas that either 3G or 4G is weak (but still usable). Some phones do do this! 3G or 4G is a must for data use, and 3G is also recommended for phone calls, as the quality of 3G (and VoLTE) calls is better than that of 2G calling. So basically, whatever 2G can do, 3G can do better... with the exception of coverage, due to cell breathing. That's where 4G is much better, but it doesn't natively support voice. So non-VOLTE phones have a problem. Switching off 2G would also result in more 1800MHz capacity for 4G, which would help in certain areas. As far as I am aware, 2G is using 25MHz of the 1800 band? Refarm 20MHz to 4G and leave 5MHz for M2M. Or just sell off M2M to Vodafone/O2. Don't think that refarming the ex-TETRA spectrum to 3G would be very viable at all. Firstly, 3G@450MHz will definitely have a lot of raw coverage, and cell breathing wouldn't be as much of an issue. However, you're more likely to have cell breathing taking place - since 450MHz covers a vast area, then unless you have multiple masts covering the same area, 3G450 is going to get very swamped very quickly. If you've got miles upon miles of area covered by one 3G450 mast, then there will be an awful lot of devices on that mast. Not only will the mast be grossly swamped, but 450MHz isn't a brilliant band in terms of carrying large amounts of data. If you want high capacity transmissions for data, that's where bands such as 4G2600 come in handy. 450MHz won't have a lot of capacity at all - so even if it wasn't swamped, data would be slower than currently. But with swamped 3G450 masts, you'd be back to 2G speeds! Oh, and of course, virtually no devices at all support 3G450, meaning that your devices become obsolete anyway. The same goes for the 700MHz bandwidth - 700MHz will have more coverage than 2100MHz, but you've got more chances of the network being swamped. And again, there are very few devices that support 3G700 (though there are probably quite a few devices that support 4G700). If you really want to keep 3G for the long term, your best bet would be to do a deal with Vodafone (or O2) for their 3G900 spectrum. That way, with the amount of masts EE has, using 3G900 at full power would resolve cell breathing issues, and you'd have coverage that either exceeded or matched 2G1800. Then all but 5MHz of 1800 could go to 4G, leaving the 5MHz 2G for M2M only. That, of course, would result in no 3G in a lot of areas on O2/Vodafone, but some areas have never had anything more than 2G from Vodafone/O2 anyway. But even though my plan would be semi-good (more realistic than your plan, anyway), neither are going to happen. Sure enough, there may (or may not) be plans in the long term to decommission TETRA and use that for 4G, but that would have to be VoLTE only. As much as I dislike this (as it will make quite a few data devices obsolete), chances are 3G will go before 2G, and when VoLTE is the norm (on every handset), then 2G will finally disappear. Short-medium term: 4G rollout completes, 800MHz rolled out network wide (along with VoLTE), possibly 2600MHz added to more masts (to deal with congestion) Medium-long term: 3G2100 gets partially (or fully) refarmed to 4G2100, 3G switched off, power increased on 4G1800 to match 2G levels. This would mean that 2G has to deal with a lot more calls, so could only feasibly happen when the vast majority of devices are VoLTE capable. Long term: Everything runs through Volte, M2M devices either get converted to 4G, switched to another network or switched off entirely. 2G gets switched off, everything goes through 4G (or even 5G if it is released). |
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I haven't read your post at all but agree with some, none or all of it. What about if we replaced the LDV 200 vans with ex WRC Rally cars? Would my plan work then? What if a car maker could come up with a vehicle that could not only do all frequencies at all times, but also drive in multiple directions at once? I'm not sure who would drive such a vehicle but it would probably be the Man from Atlantis or Steve Austin or similar.
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The text I had from them said it changes on 11th May.
You don't appear to be able to change your mind, e.g. continue with free and then pay later in the day for fast. When they fix this they'll at least be comparable to Voda; though I still wouldn't have been able to download a whole film for the flight back - as I'm doing on Voda now. |
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It's swings and roundabouts. Vodafone let's you use all your data in one day if you want, but once that runs out is very expensive. EE limits at 500MB a day, but doesn't come from your allowance. Someone on a low data tariff gets the same benefit, whereas on Vodafone you need that data to begin with.
Ideally, EE and Vodafone would offer affordable run on charges as I think networks (ahead of next June) are realising that it's time to actually encourage use abroad - and make a fair profit from many than excessive profit from a few. But if a network were to drop the daily fee for EU roaming before next June that would really change things. |
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I don't really understand the misbehaviour of that there S4. Mine doesn't misbehave like that, chosing instead to hang on to horribly weak 3G in place of strong 2G which I would prefer. I'm a bit old fashioned you see. I like a phone to make calls, the camera and apps are just a very convenient bonus. Or maybe it's because I tend to use the car radio when out and about instead of streaming. Oh and WhatsApp and BBM work over 2G just fine.
*tongue firmly out of cheek now... maybe* I don't get the "3G love" at all, it inefficient and suffers cell breathing. Yes, it has HD Voice, which is nice.. IF you only phone people on the same network. Which many don't. Having spoken to many people about their phone use, the overwhelming respose is "we don't care about HD Voice, we just want to be able to make a call". 2G works well for that, as does VoLTE on compatible devices no doubt. Forget 3G and go 2G/4G only. Now I shall wait for the moans of "it's horrible voice quality!" .. again.. |
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It's swings and roundabouts. Vodafone let's you use all your data in one day if you want, but once that runs out is very expensive. EE limits at 500MB a day, but doesn't come from your allowance. Someone on a low data tariff gets the same benefit, whereas on Vodafone you need that data to begin with.
Ideally, EE and Vodafone would offer affordable run on charges as I think networks (ahead of next June) are realising that it's time to actually encourage use abroad - and make a fair profit from many than excessive profit from a few. But if a network were to drop the daily fee for EU roaming before next June that would really change things. What happens next June? Thanks Baz |
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On a jolly jaunt out, the cathedral city of Ely now has some 4G love from EE: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1911383229
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On a jolly jaunt out, the cathedral city of Ely now has some 4G love from EE: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1911383229
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It's swings and roundabouts. Vodafone let's you use all your data in one day if you want, but once that runs out is very expensive. EE limits at 500MB a day, but doesn't come from your allowance. Someone on a low data tariff gets the same benefit, whereas on Vodafone you need that data to begin with.
Ideally, EE and Vodafone would offer affordable run on charges as I think networks (ahead of next June) are realising that it's time to actually encourage use abroad - and make a fair profit from many than excessive profit from a few. But if a network were to drop the daily fee for EU roaming before next June that would really change things. |
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Hi
What happens next June? Thanks Baz |
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The EU is sceapping roaming charges next June so it will cost the same as it home to use your phone anywhere in the EU
So come next June, u will be able to use ur UK Tariff, Texts/Minutes/Data in the EU at no extra cost? Thanks Baz |
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On a jolly jaunt out, the cathedral city of Ely now has some 4G love from EE: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1911383229
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