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Old 03-05-2016, 15:36
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Tesco mobile is offering use your calls text and data in the EU like vodafone but without a daily charge! Home from Home its called
Yes, but as yet I don't know if it is like O2, where it is 3G only and restricted heavily after the first 100MB. It's great if something is free, but not if it ends up even worse than Feel at Home!
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Old 03-05-2016, 15:38
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Hi

When this ruling comes into play next June. Three's Feel At Home wont feel so attractive to those travelers to the EU?

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Old 03-05-2016, 15:51
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Why is it that when I try to call people who are on EE in the South Hams, their phones never ring? Get that 800 out EE. It's pathetic and annoying. They just don't ring. Ever. Coverage my arse.
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Old 03-05-2016, 16:16
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Yes, but as yet I don't know if it is like O2, where it is 3G only and restricted heavily after the first 100MB. It's great if something is free, but not if it ends up even worse than Feel at Home!
It says use Your data calls and texts from your allowance

Edit..... Fair use policy 400 text per day!
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Old 03-05-2016, 16:35
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EE have updated their Wifi Calling page to add these devices (already compatible, just added help pages):

Microsoft Lumia 640
Microsoft Lumia 640 XL
Microsoft Lumia 650
Microsoft Lumia 950
Microsoft Lumia 950 XL
LG G5
Huawei Nexus 6P
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Old 03-05-2016, 16:44
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Hi

So come next June, u will be able to use ur UK Tariff, Texts/Minutes/Data in the EU at no extra cost?

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Yes that's correct. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...oaming-charges

Obviously if we vote to leave the EU it will only last a year
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Old 03-05-2016, 17:09
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I live near Ely, I just don't visit it very often lol

Good to see at least one of the networks has brought it into the 21st Century
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Old 03-05-2016, 18:13
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I haven't read your post at all but agree with some, none or all of it. What about if we replaced the LDV 200 vans with ex WRC Rally cars? Would my plan work then? What if a car maker could come up with a vehicle that could not only do all frequencies at all times, but also drive in multiple directions at once? I'm not sure who would drive such a vehicle but it would probably be the Man from Atlantis or Steve Austin or similar.
Haha, that'd be one to invent! Doubt it's even possible though!
I mean, if I wanted to drive north and south at the same time, I'd end up going nowhere!
Nice idea though

What if the cars could autonomously drive themselves in all directions at once whilst flicking 2g on and off every 3 minutes to stop one particularly ill behaved S4 from staying on it for too long?
Haha, I don't think that'd be driving though, if you're going in all directions at once, you'd stay where you was!
Though if my S4 flicked 2G off every time the 3G signal was either very weak, or substantially weaker than 2G, then I wouldn't be dropping back to 2G (when 3G is still usable) and all would be bliss!

I don't really understand the misbehaviour of that there S4. Mine doesn't misbehave like that, chosing instead to hang on to horribly weak 3G in place of strong 2G which I would prefer. I'm a bit old fashioned you see. I like a phone to make calls, the camera and apps are just a very convenient bonus. Or maybe it's because I tend to use the car radio when out and about instead of streaming. Oh and WhatsApp and BBM work over 2G just fine.

*tongue firmly out of cheek now... maybe*
How strange... Why does mine drop to 2G then? Alright, sometimes 3G can be quite weak, but I'd rather use a weak 3G signal than a strong 2G one. My old Galaxy Ace Plus (and that is an old phone!) got it right - it switched down to 2G when little to no 3G was available, and as soon as 3G was available, the Ace Plus went to 3G. That would be awesome, as you'd only be falling back to 2G when absolutely necessary, and staying on 3G most of the time. That means good reliability on streaming apps such as Tunein. And yes, FM is preferred for radio, but in some areas of the UK, there just isn't the choice of radio stations about (Radio 1-4, local BBC and Heart isn't exactly much choice...) - hence the requirement for tunein to work.
I like to make calls as well, but I also like data to work nicely, and for streaming media to work when required.

I don't get the "3G love" at all, it inefficient and suffers cell breathing. Yes, it has HD Voice, which is nice.. IF you only phone people on the same network. Which many don't. Having spoken to many people about their phone use, the overwhelming respose is "we don't care about HD Voice, we just want to be able to make a call". 2G works well for that, as does VoLTE on compatible devices no doubt.

Forget 3G and go 2G/4G only. Now I shall wait for the moans of "it's horrible voice quality!" .. again..
Until HD Voice is actually put on to 2G, then I'm still standing by my 3G call quality. Most of the calls I make are to people on EE or Virgin (which use the EE network), so I can take advantage of HD Voice, And even when not using HD Voice, calls sound nice and clear through 3G.

2G/4G would be a disaster for non-4G devices, effectively rendering them obsolete. And even on devices that do 4G, unless it also does VoLTE call quality is going to suffer. Ouch.

On a jolly jaunt out, the cathedral city of Ely now has some 4G love from EE: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1911383229
Not bad, not bad at all! Though is that single speed or double speed? It looks very similar to speeds on single speed areas, i.e. 30 down/15 up.
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Old 03-05-2016, 19:02
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Yes that's correct. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...oaming-charges

Obviously if we vote to leave the EU it will only last a year
Switzerland isnt in the EU but they are included in the pricing. Nor is iceland and they are included.
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Old 03-05-2016, 19:16
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BT Mobile single speed, beans0ntoast. Won't pay more to get the extra speed on a phone
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Old 03-05-2016, 19:42
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Just signed up to EE on the samsung s7 edge, looking forward to the extended coverage ee have annouced even though its 4 years away. I am currently with Vodafone, so itll be interesting to see the difference
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Old 03-05-2016, 20:19
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Worcester is now officially 4G Calling live

https://community.ee.co.uk/t5/EE-Mob...rk/td-p/423732
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Old 03-05-2016, 20:38
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So 1 or less areas per week going live?

They will have to ramp up the roll out to hit their July target.
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Old 03-05-2016, 21:03
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Switzerland isnt in the EU but they are included in the pricing. Nor is iceland and they are included.
Switzerland isn't included and it's up to the network as to what they charge. Some might align the prices with other EU countries but most don't do this for all the options. EE's standard roaming call cost from Switzerland to the UK is £1 / minute which is a lot more than the regulated rate of about 4p.

Iceland is covered by the EU roaming regulations because it's part of the EEA (Switzerland isn't) and the EU roaming regulations apply to the EEA as well as the EU.
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Old 03-05-2016, 21:05
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Switzerland isn't included and it's up to the network as to what they charge. Some might align the prices with other EU countries but most don't do this for all the options. EE's standard roaming call cost from Switzerland to the UK is £1 / minute which is a lot more than the regulated rate of about 4p.

Iceland is covered by the EU roaming regulations because it's part of the EEA (Switzerland isn't) and the EU roaming regulations apply to the EEA as well as the EU.
I stand corrected

Edit..... Ive just checked switzerland is free with EE Extra
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Old 03-05-2016, 21:13
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Haha, that'd be one to invent! Doubt it's even possible though!
I mean, if I wanted to drive north and south at the same time, I'd end up going nowhere!
Nice idea though



Haha, I don't think that'd be driving though, if you're going in all directions at once, you'd stay where you was!
Though if my S4 flicked 2G off every time the 3G signal was either very weak, or substantially weaker than 2G, then I wouldn't be dropping back to 2G (when 3G is still usable) and all would be bliss!



How strange... Why does mine drop to 2G then? Alright, sometimes 3G can be quite weak, but I'd rather use a weak 3G signal than a strong 2G one. My old Galaxy Ace Plus (and that is an old phone!) got it right - it switched down to 2G when little to no 3G was available, and as soon as 3G was available, the Ace Plus went to 3G. That would be awesome, as you'd only be falling back to 2G when absolutely necessary, and staying on 3G most of the time. That means good reliability on streaming apps such as Tunein. And yes, FM is preferred for radio, but in some areas of the UK, there just isn't the choice of radio stations about (Radio 1-4, local BBC and Heart isn't exactly much choice...) - hence the requirement for tunein to work.
I like to make calls as well, but I also like data to work nicely, and for streaming media to work when required.



Until HD Voice is actually put on to 2G, then I'm still standing by my 3G call quality. Most of the calls I make are to people on EE or Virgin (which use the EE network), so I can take advantage of HD Voice, And even when not using HD Voice, calls sound nice and clear through 3G.

2G/4G would be a disaster for non-4G devices, effectively rendering them obsolete. And even on devices that do 4G, unless it also does VoLTE call quality is going to suffer. Ouch.



Not bad, not bad at all! Though is that single speed or double speed? It looks very similar to speeds on single speed areas, i.e. 30 down/15 up.
You need to give that phone a hearty drop kick into the nearest watercourse my man. As Olaf himself once said 'Argh, mein Got. Meine trousers are aus in der geflamen'. And he didn't even speak German. I do. A bit. Until the on fire bit. Then I just made it up.
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Old 03-05-2016, 21:25
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I stand corrected

Edit..... Ive just checked switzerland is free with EE Extra
Yes included in EE Extra but the the standard rates are very high. That's what I meant by not including all the options. Vodafone standard rates are also a bit higher than EU but they do include it in Euro Traveller.
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Old 03-05-2016, 21:59
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EE have updated their Wifi Calling page to add these devices (already compatible, just added help pages):

Microsoft Lumia 640
Microsoft Lumia 640 XL
Microsoft Lumia 650
Microsoft Lumia 950
Microsoft Lumia 950 XL
LG G5
Huawei Nexus 6P
I'm going to end up having bought a G5 at this rate, and it's all the fault of this thread!
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Old 03-05-2016, 22:32
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Yes included in EE Extra but the the standard rates are very high. That's what I meant by not including all the options. Vodafone standard rates are also a bit higher than EU but they do include it in Euro Traveller.
I get you know, sorry didnt read your post properly
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Old 04-05-2016, 00:57
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On a jolly jaunt out, the cathedral city of Ely now has some 4G love from EE: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1911383229
When new masts first come online they are capped at 30mbps. Will be much faster soon
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:07
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2G/4G would be a disaster for non-4G devices, effectively rendering them obsolete. And even on devices that do 4G, unless it also does VoLTE call quality is going to suffer. Ouch.
It's a niche feature that isn't even cross network and ordinary people barely notice it. As long as your voice is intelligible, the average person won't care. Cf. O2.

I'd go for: minor inconvenience. And we're talking years down the line. Not now.

Non 4G devices are already obsolete. I'd ban them now to stop the ill informed buying them and then holding up progress in 5 years cos they were too stingy to buy a modern phone and too stupid to research their purchase properly

Note to the terminally hard of thinking: I'm not being serious.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:12
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I stand corrected

Edit..... Ive just checked switzerland is free with EE Extra
Yes, Switzerland is one of those odd European countries that are not in the EU or EEA however are included in EU bundles. Probably down to negotiated rates.

Also of note, the roaming rates for Andorra changed at the weekend on EE too. This block of land between Spain and France isn't part of the EU or EEA either and used to be £2.50/min in and out, 50p a text and Christ knows how much for data. Now it's the same as Switzerland - £1.00 a min in and out or included in the Extra plans...
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:13
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Yes, Switzerland is one of those odd European countries that are not in the EU or EEA however are included in EU bundles. Probably down to negotiated rates.

Also of note, the roaming rates for Andorra changed at the weekend on EE too. This block of land between Spain and France isn't part of the EU or EEA either and used to be £2.50/min in and out, 50p a text and Christ knows how much for data. Now it's the same as Switzerland - £1.00 a min in and out or included in the Extra plans...
It (Switzerland) wasn't when I was there in 2013! I spent my whole trip there forcing my phone to use Orange F cos it was much cheaper.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:15
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It wasn't when I was there in 2013! I spent my whole trip there forcing my phone to use Orange F cos it was much cheaper.
Did you have an Extra plan or EU bundle? If not you would have paid higher non regulated rates.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:17
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Did you have an Extra plan or EU bundle? If not you would have paid higher non regulated rates.
I can't actually remember. I probably didn't.
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