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Has there been any other 800mhz activity lately? The mast that had been activated near me (albeit without VoLTE so must of been testing) now kicks you off as soon as you connect to it.
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Cripes who poked him with a stick again.
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That's where I was getting the 30Mbps from, on microwave!
I said my mast does 30ms ping most of the time over MW and was just saying that was good since I think I might be on a daisy chain of perhaps 3 or 4 sites. |
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#1279 |
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Has there been any other 800mhz activity lately? The mast that had been activated near me (albeit without VoLTE so must of been testing) now kicks you off as soon as you connect to it.
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#1280 |
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That's the one! Suprised it has taken so long tbh but really fills a massive hole as decent data has allways been poor for EE here yet o2/Voda have had 4G here for a while like you say.
Yet another EE mast gone to 2G/4G only ...
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No no no.... Mr Beans.... I was talking milliseconds (ms) not Mbps.
I said my mast does 30ms ping most of the time over MW and was just saying that was good since I think I might be on a daisy chain of perhaps 3 or 4 sites. I don't really like Daisy chains of micros because the speed decreases along each mast in the Daisy chain... Hoping for fiber! Quote:
Interesting Matt, thanks for the update over there
Yet another EE mast gone to 2G/4G only ...I don't get this 2g/4g thing at the moment, possibly in 5 years time when everyone is on volte (so you can then force 4g, and stop 2g from getting in) but certainly not now... Lots of 3g devices will become data bricks and EE will lose customers to CTIL or Three, as 3g is still important at the current time! |
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Lots of 3g devices will become data bricks and EE will lose customers to CTIL or Three, as 3g is still important at the current time!
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I don't get this 2g/4g thing at the moment, possibly in 5 years time when everyone is on volte (so you can then force 4g, and stop 2g from getting in) but certainly not now... Lots of 3g devices will become data bricks and EE will lose customers to CTIL or Three, as 3g is still important at the current time!
Its also likely all 4 UK networks will change at a similar time. |
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3G must give the networks huge headaches in terms of breathing in under load. You make a map of coverage and it moves about as more or less people use it. I'm not sure what the extent is but I do know that where I live, 3 3G can be extremely variable. This of course, has a knock on for 4G1800 which is now hamstrung by this old tech. Quite simply, if everyone had a phone that did 2G and 4G it would make the networks job easier. As most phones now do 4G it's only a matter of time until the percentage of non 2G/3G only phones is so small that the benefits for the masses will outweigh losing those customers and they could always be identified and offered a better deal to upgrade to 4G.
Then 3G is binned with a notice period so that people can see out their contracts. There will also be a hard core of 2G only users but they won't be affected either way. In the meantime, I would have thought EE will not bother with 3G on existing 2G only masts unless it's part of a deal with MBNL. |
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In the meantime, I would have thought EE will not bother with 3G on existing 2G only masts unless it's part of a deal with MBNL.
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I don't get this 2g/4g thing at the moment, possibly in 5 years time when everyone is on volte (so you can then force 4g, and stop 2g from getting in) but certainly not now... Lots of 3g devices will become data bricks and EE will lose customers to CTIL or Three, as 3g is still important at the current time!
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Assume that EE just dont really care that much about 3G now especially with the unknowns around the sale of 3. It must be far easier to just pay for the 4g upgrades and be able to do the upgrades where and when you want to without the complications of MBNL
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Most upgraded sites have 3G and the one near Thetford forest isn't gonna serve many people anyway so not having 3G isn't that bad there, and 3G is gonna be gone in a few years anyway as most people will have a 4G VoLTE capable phone, and then we can use the 2100 spectrum from 3G for more 4G capacity.
3G is still important presently even if it's not as efficient as 4G; also because not everyone has a 4G ready phone either. |
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Hmm tend to disagree, especially for 3 customers who will now drop to no service because they cannot roam on EE (T-Mobile) 2G network.
3G is still important presently even if it's not as efficient as 4G; also because not everyone has a 4G ready phone either. |
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I think thats the point though, EE simply dont care about 3 customers and why would they.
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I think thats the point though, EE simply dont care about 3 customers and why would they.
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Hmm tend to disagree, especially for 3 customers who will now drop to no service because they cannot roam on EE (T-Mobile) 2G network.
3G is still important presently even if it's not as efficient as 4G; also because not everyone has a 4G ready phone either. Like I said I can understand if a populated area doesn't get EE 3G when it really should, but it's a minority of people with 3G only phones, so in areas where masts don't cover many people I don't think it really matters not having 3G - the mast is covering a minority of people, and in that minority is another minority who still only have a 3G phone... so barely any people will be affected by not having 3G there basically. Also the amount of people who only have 3G phones is going down and down as more people upgrade to 4G phones too. |
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New carrier update for iOS. Now 24.1
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Wonder what it fixes/changes.
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It's like the 1800 power up, EE would have weighed up their options and worked out that the potential loss of 3G only customers is outweighed by the gain of 4G customers who want a vastly superior data network that the other MNOs just can't offer.
This is likely only going to happen in a few years time, when volte is sorted out and more devices can do volte. Quote:
The networks will know exactly how many devices they have that are not 4G capable, and eventually it will make financial sense to turn off 3G and focus on 2G and 4G. That day is not yet here - and it may be 5 years away, it may be 10. Probably at least two more 2 year cycles of the traditional smartphone.
Its also likely all 4 UK networks will change at a similar time. In 10 years time, I don't see us having anything other than 4G and the eventual thing that will be 5G And who knows how 5G will behave... Quote:
3G must give the networks huge headaches in terms of breathing in under load. You make a map of coverage and it moves about as more or less people use it. I'm not sure what the extent is but I do know that where I live, 3 3G can be extremely variable. This of course, has a knock on for 4G1800 which is now hamstrung by this old tech. Quite simply, if everyone had a phone that did 2G and 4G it would make the networks job easier. As most phones now do 4G it's only a matter of time until the percentage of non 2G/3G only phones is so small that the benefits for the masses will outweigh losing those customers and they could always be identified and offered a better deal to upgrade to 4G.
Then 3G is binned with a notice period so that people can see out their contracts. There will also be a hard core of 2G only users but they won't be affected either way. In the meantime, I would have thought EE will not bother with 3G on existing 2G only masts unless it's part of a deal with MBNL. If EE did go 2G/4G only, what would happen with regards to MBNL? Since MBNL covers 3G only, would both operators roll out their 4G separately? What masts would Three be allowed to use for 4G, that EE are already using? Quote:
Most upgraded sites have 3G and the one near Thetford forest isn't gonna serve many people anyway so not having 3G isn't that bad there, and 3G is gonna be gone in a few years anyway as most people will have a 4G VoLTE capable phone, and then we can use the 2100 spectrum from 3G for more 4G capacity.
4G has still not been fully rolled out yet - when it has been, I'll try going back to default mode, hoping that the S4 doesn't do its 2G tricks again... But until that happens, I still need to use 3G for data (switching to 4G hen faster speeds are required). Give it 5 or 6 more years, and 3G may well start to be phased out, but at the current moment in time, every mast (certainly every mast for coverage) needs to have 3G. In areas where there is already strong 3G, and the mast being just for capacity, then 2G/4G would make sense, as there is still 3G to fall back on (from neighboring masts), but for masts that are required for pure coverage (such as the monument mast), 3G is a necessity. Quote:
Hmm tend to disagree, especially for 3 customers who will now drop to no service because they cannot roam on EE (T-Mobile) 2G network.
3G is still important presently even if it's not as efficient as 4G; also because not everyone has a 4G ready phone either. I know of people who have 3G only phones (not 4G) and they are fine with their current phones, they don't need an upgrade. So we need 3G in 2016. In 2020, or further, then 3G (or even 2G and 3G) can be phased out. But not now! |
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Thats the thing though there is enough 3g everywhere really 4g is the future and seriously beans your posts are too long!
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Agreed, it's not EE's problem. If Three want to upgrade the 3G let them take some of the billions burning a hole in their pocket and start spending again.
Because Hutch agreed to sell a third of 3O2 to external investors if it had gone ahead they were forced to do a bit of a tidy up of their Accounts reviewing carrying values etc. What came out is that in 2010 as part of getting agreement for T-Mobile and Orange to merge into EE, Three acquired, free of charge, access rights to a further 3000 EE sites which weren't part of the T-Mobile/Three joint network. Three valued these rights at £500 million in their balance sheet with the expectation all of these would be carrying Three 3G by the end of 2013. However it seems that 2 years later than this, at the end of 2015, they had only done 1140 sites and because of the shift to 4G they've had to largely write off the carrying value of the access rights. |
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I don't think EE really care about 3 customers, in fact it could be why they're doing it actually - why should Three benefit from EE's work?
Like I said I can understand if a populated area doesn't get EE 3G when it really should, but it's a minority of people with 3G only phones, so in areas where masts don't cover many people I don't think it really matters not having 3G - the mast is covering a minority of people, and in that minority is another minority who still only have a 3G phone... so barely any people will be affected by not having 3G there basically. Also the amount of people who only have 3G phones is going down and down as more people upgrade to 4G phones too. As I said just now, it's fine for areas with lots of masts (for capacity purposes), but if you've got a rural area covered by just one mast, then that mast needs to have 3G. Also, it's not just EE, it's MBNL (so EE and 3) that 3G affects - and I'm sure that Three would have a say in such coverage issues as well. Things may be different in 2020, but we're not living in the future, so we still need 3G at the current point in time. |
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Thats the thing though there is enough 3g everywhere really 4g is the future and seriously beans your posts are too long!
Most places have 3G now but there are still areas, such as the monument mast on the A11 (near Thetford), that have no 3G. And putting 2G/4G on such a mast, where there is literally zero 3G coverage, is impractical, as it leaves users without a data connection (or no connection at all). |
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