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Old 23-05-2016, 13:44
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Will it ever be possible that wifi calling hands off to 3g/2g like VoLTE does?
Nope, just can't be done.
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Old 23-05-2016, 14:19
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I'd love to know technically why, but it's probably too complex to understand lol
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Old 23-05-2016, 14:38
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Nope, just can't be done.
Don't suppose whilst your here if you could shed any light on what the new carrier update did?
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Old 23-05-2016, 17:49
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Don't suppose whilst your here if you could shed any light on what the new carrier update did?
Just my speculation, but I mentioned a few days ago that since my area had VoLTE activated, when I'm at home my phone didn't always connect to WiFi Calling, when it did it would disappear intermittently. Now since carrier update 24.1 even though VoLTE is still active my phone seems to connect to WiFi Calling fine.

So I wonder if carrier update 24.1 just fixed something to do with WiFi Calling in VoLTE areas?
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Old 23-05-2016, 18:23
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VoLTE is back in Sheffield seems more widespread than previously.

Anybody know if the default iPhone setting on EE is voice & data yet?
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Old 23-05-2016, 19:18
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VoLTE is back in Sheffield seems more widespread than previously.

Anybody know if the default iPhone setting on EE is voice & data yet?
My girlfriend recently got an iPhone SE and I believe her 4G setting was defaulted to Voice and Data.
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Old 23-05-2016, 20:09
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VoLTE live in Gloucester atm.
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Old 23-05-2016, 21:47
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Nope, just can't be done.
And anyway chances are, in the next 5 years (or so), voice handover to 3G/2G won't be that important, because 2G/3G are legacy tech, correct?

Btw did you manage to find out about said weird monument mast in the Thetford area?
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Old 23-05-2016, 23:04
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Is the coverage checker broken? Can't search for any location.
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Old 23-05-2016, 23:41
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Indeed although the appetite for 3G expansion is rapidly falling across the board.

Because Hutch agreed to sell a third of 3O2 to external investors if it had gone ahead they were forced to do a bit of a tidy up of their Accounts reviewing carrying values etc. What came out is that in 2010 as part of getting agreement for T-Mobile and Orange to merge into EE, Three acquired, free of charge, access rights to a further 3000 EE sites which weren't part of the T-Mobile/Three joint network. Three valued these rights at £500 million in their balance sheet with the expectation all of these would be carrying Three 3G by the end of 2013.

However it seems that 2 years later than this, at the end of 2015, they had only done 1140 sites and because of the shift to 4G they've had to largely write off the carrying value of the access rights.
Further to this, it seems Three are now launching legal action against EE over this.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/n...one-masts.html
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Old 24-05-2016, 09:18
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Further to this, it seems Three are now launching legal action against EE over this.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/n...one-masts.html
A spokesman for EE said: ‘We strongly reject the allegations and we will contest them vigorously.’
I don't get this - surely this must be fairly black and white? Either they allowed access to the agreed masts or they didn't?
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Old 24-05-2016, 10:09
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I wonder if there's a bit of smoke and mirrors here? We know Three doesn't have access to every mast, but there could be different reasons as I mentioned.

Three not having the money to bring them into MBNL, so EE just goes ahead on its own.. but having offered Three the site for use if it wants.

Or EE being sneaky and only enabling 2G and 4G and NOT offering the site, perhaps claiming that the site was not part of the network when MBNL was created.

I guess a few lawyers will get rich over things...

PS. This has also effectively revealed that Three's network is nowhere near that of EE's network.. so it will no longer be possible for Three to state that it uses the same network as EE, implying coverage will be as good (even if just for 3G). Perhaps a number of the old sites allow Three access for 2G voice only roaming, but it's actually a bit of a PR fail if the mainstream media got wind of the story...
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Old 24-05-2016, 10:23
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Or EE being sneaky and only enabling 2G and 4G and NOT offering the site, perhaps claiming that the site was not part of the network when MBNL was created.
I suspect that is most likely - given at the merger, the former Orange sites were not part of the MBNL agreement.

I guess a few lawyers will get rich over things...
that much is guaranteed!
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Old 24-05-2016, 11:14
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Or EE being sneaky and only enabling 2G and 4G and NOT offering the site, perhaps claiming that the site was not part of the network when MBNL was created.
Or sneakier still -

"we've upgraded that site, but only to 4G as we don't care that much about increasing the 3G footprint. If you want 3G on it, you pay for it. "
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Old 24-05-2016, 11:35
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Morning,

I have a quick question about EE Voicemail, that needs resolving.

Yesterday, it seems like I missed a call, from an 020 number. EE sent me a text saying that the number had called but left no message. The voicemail icon also appeared, so I checked that. It said no new messages.

Now, when I was with Virgin, if I dialled the voicemail number, to hear any messages, then put the phone down, it cleared the voicemail icon from the phone. However, no matter how many times I ring EE's voicemail, it says no new messages, but I cannot seem to get rid of the voicemail icon.

I haven't set up anything other than what was set up when I put the SIM in my phone.

Any ideas on how to resolve this?
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Old 24-05-2016, 11:36
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I am sure it's something like that. But it's easy to see how you could blame both sides.

EE stitching Three up, or Three not having the money to do its bit.

I suspect the reality will be somewhere in between.
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Old 24-05-2016, 11:51
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I am sure it's something like that. But it's easy to see how you could blame both sides.

EE stitching Three up, or Three not having the money to do its bit.

I suspect the reality will be somewhere in between.
Indeed. You can understand some reticence on EE's part while the prospect of a 3-O2 merger is on the cards.
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Old 24-05-2016, 12:43
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It's equally believable that EE wanted to halt things while the Three/O2 thing was going on, and that Three hasn't got the money to roll out site upgrades everywhere that EE has committed to.

We can all see that the 4G expansion on Three slowed considerably at the end of 2014, with many sites removed from the list of upgrades, and then it was supposedly all because 800 was going to appear everywhere.

800 has been turned on with big improvements showing on maps, but my experience thus far has been that 800 is exceptionally poor. As if they're operating at max power so you may get a signal, but data speeds and ping times are worse than using 3G at the edge of a cell.

Unless Three successfully saw a load of people migrate to EE or Vodafone because of the shunting of people off old plans, I am not sure how their network will cope in the next year or two as it is.

Sure, I can take someone to a couple of locations where Three can beat even EE on a speed test, but the fact I'd actually have to drive and walk to an area to do so - as against hoping to get good speeds just about anywhere, shows the problem.
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Old 24-05-2016, 17:59
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Three seem to want to threaten law suits against everyone at the moment. Have they decided to take the EU to court yet over the blocked deal?

I suspect Three have lacked the finance that EE have so probably can't afford to upgrade all the sites that EE are doing. Especially if now EE are on rural sites and maybe Three isn't at that stage of the plan yet.

But then maybe EE are being smart and just going with 4g in places. Three choose not to share a deal here, so again they really have themselves to blame.

I bet Vodafone are glad they didn't get their hands on O2 as that could have messed up the Cornerstone agreement.
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Old 24-05-2016, 18:26
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I suspect Three have lacked the finance that EE have so probably can't afford to upgrade all the sites that EE are doing. Especially if now EE are on rural sites and maybe Three isn't at that stage of the plan yet.
I don't think it works like that. I believe that (for 3G) if one operator pays, the other operator automatically gets access to it as it goes through MBNL. So, if EE put 3G on an old mast, it works for 3 too.

But then maybe EE are being smart and just going with 4g in places. Three choose not to share a deal here, so again they really have themselves to blame.
I think this is exactly what EE are doing. Only putting 4G in and deliberately not paying MBNL to put 3G in. Two advantages- 1: Doesn't benefit the competition when relations between the two companies have substantially worsened recently, and 2: Encourages people to buy/upgrade to 4G devices for increased data coverage.
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Old 24-05-2016, 19:17
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I wonder what the termination clauses of the MBNL agreement are like. Nothing like suing your business partner to promote an amicable relationship.
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Old 24-05-2016, 19:19
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Originally Posted by d123;825*****
I wonder what the termination clauses of the MBNL agreement are like. Nothing like suing your business partner to promote an amicable relationship.
In business these things happen all the time and I doubt anyone cares too much. Where I live, the council is suing a leisure company it runs. It's a formality due to a breach of health and safety, but quite ironic that the council is effectively suing itself.

Samsung has had its run in with Apple, but still supplies components.

I do wonder if Three has fallen victim to EE saying that the contract is now null and void and they have to move to a new deal within 30 days, paying twice as much. Of course it is free to leave...
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Old 24-05-2016, 19:30
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Frankly, who's going to be installing 3G now anyway. EE don't need to as they can do CSFB to 2G on new sites. Three's biggest "mistake" was launching a network in the first place with a base layer based on UMTS.
Easy to say now 16 years later but a lack of a fixed lower frequency voice layer is really screwing them over now.
I'm not being deliberately unfair, just saying the balls up that was LTE with no voice could not be foreseen at that time.
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Old 24-05-2016, 19:43
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Frankly, who's going to be installing 3G now anyway. EE don't need to as they can do CSFB to 2G on new sites. Three's biggest "mistake" was launching a network in the first place with a base layer based on UMTS.
Easy to say now 16 years later but a lack of a fixed lower frequency voice layer is really screwing them over now.
I'm not being deliberately unfair, just saying the balls up that was LTE with no voice could not be foreseen at that time.
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Old 24-05-2016, 19:46
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Hi bookey_uk, ive given you that nudge you asked for in PM.
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