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Old 24-05-2016, 19:50
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Frankly, who's going to be installing 3G now anyway. EE don't need to as they can do CSFB to 2G on new sites. Three's biggest "mistake" was launching a network in the first place with a base layer based on UMTS.
Easy to say now 16 years later but a lack of a fixed lower frequency voice layer is really screwing them over now.
I'm not being deliberately unfair, just saying the balls up that was LTE with no voice could not be foreseen at that time.
Perhaps the mistake was not negotiating a similar sharing arrangement with 4G. I wonder what the reasoning was, as it clearly left Three far behind.

I assume Three was happy with its 3G layer, and still is (given it sets it higher than 4G 800) to a degree.
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Old 24-05-2016, 20:06
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Have you had any more info about the 800mhz launch Jon?

The mast that I used to be able to connect to 800mhz (albeit without VoLTE) now doesn't let you on anymore!
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Old 24-05-2016, 20:32
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In the original agreement, was it that EE would upgrade masts to 3G in order for Three to benefit, or was it simply that Three could choose to upgrade any Orange mast to 3G if it wished to do so, at Three's cost?

If Three are being prevented from adding 3G/4G to Orange sites that haven't been 3Gd by EE, I can see where Three's complaint lies.
If it's simply the case Three aren't paying up to add 3G to sites because they thought EE would, then it's rather disappointing to see Three kick it's toys or of the pram again because Hutchinson has decided not to invest in its network.

Seems rather fishy Three have left it until now to start the law suit, surely they could have started this years ago if there claim is valid?
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Old 24-05-2016, 20:38
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It's why I wonder if Three didn't want to pay because it thought it was going to get O2's network. Now it isn't, it's in a pretty bad place.
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Old 24-05-2016, 20:43
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I hope three win something from EE and the three 3G coverage and 4G coverage increased to these other 1000masts that they should have access too. It was a a merger so they should both have access to each other's masts to roll out there networks to improve coverage for us the consumer. I'm not paying EE prices as I think there far too much. Also I enjoy having a data connection while on the phone for sat nav.
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Old 24-05-2016, 20:44
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It's why I wonder if Three didn't want to pay because it thought it was going to get O2's network. Now it isn't, it's in a pretty bad place.
I suspect there's at least a bit of this. Three are a bit tatered at the moment. They have the majority of the heavy data users, even though they have now kicked most if not all of them off of the one plan. They are short of 4G capacity and it doesn't cover enough area and their 3G layer is saturated in alot of places. Difficult times, so they lash out?

What's the thinking, ignoring the rather borked 4G800, how does 3's 4G area compare to VO2? Not far apart...?

On a different note, now on an EE Business Extra Plus tariff - assume this gives me access to CA data with a suitable device and mast...?
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Old 24-05-2016, 20:52
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In respect of posts saying it's due to 3O2, as I said above, the 3000 EE masts that Three envisaged being used for their 3G was with the expectation that the upgrades would be completed by the end of 2013 so a delay on that original timeframe isn't really going to be down to merger and acquisition activity as there wasn't any.
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Old 24-05-2016, 20:53
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I suspect there's at least a bit of this. Three are a bit tatered at the moment. They have the majority of the heavy data users, even though they have now kicked most if not all of them off of the one plan. They are short of 4G capacity and it doesn't cover enough area and their 3G layer is saturated in alot of places. Difficult times, so they lash out?

What's the thinking, ignoring the rather borked 4G800, how does 3's 4G area compare to VO2? Not far apart...?

On a different note, now on an EE Business Extra Plus tariff - assume this gives me access to CA data with a suitable device and mast...?
Three are well behind Vodafone on 4G. I believe Vodafone are at 91% coverage now.
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Old 24-05-2016, 21:01
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Three are well behind Vodafone on 4G. I believe Vodafone are at 91% coverage now.
The borked 4G800 is supposedly at 65% population coverage. 4G1800 probably isn't far above 50%, if even that
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Old 24-05-2016, 21:18
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The borked 4G800 is supposedly at 65% population coverage. 4G1800 probably isn't far above 50%, if even that
Ouch!
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Old 24-05-2016, 21:24
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Vodafone and O2 has really come a long way. On a recent trip to the New Forest, which has always been 'interesting' for phone signal, I was impressed that Vodafone (and I assume O2), Three and EE all had 4G in most places.

Vodafone actually beat EE on 4G in places. Three fell back to 3G more, but when forced to 4G only did go to 4G 800. Another case of if they adjusted the priorities, Three would actually show 4G more often, but Three can't stop users using 3G with all that spectrum!
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Old 24-05-2016, 21:26
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Have you had any more info about the 800mhz launch Jon?

The mast that I used to be able to connect to 800mhz (albeit without VoLTE) now doesn't let you on anymore!
No idea, other than testing in May and June.. so presumably with a view to switching on at the same time VoLTE is officially launched?

It's quite hard for me not to have 4G on EE when outdoors just about anywhere these days, but it will be interesting to see the impact on indoor coverage.
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Old 24-05-2016, 21:53
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Three must have been gambling in the o2 takeover. Now they have a problem. They have to invest.

Maybe questions should be asked why EE didn't complete upgrades as planned, but then Three choose not to have a 4g deal with EE. All stange and now suspect they arnt fair ahead, if at all of vo2
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Old 24-05-2016, 21:58
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Sad isn't it. When Vodafone and O2 had a terrible 3G network, it was easy to see how vastly superior Three was.

Now Vodafone and O2 have caught up in many places (and doing area by area, it's a lot more consistent in the long run) it has seen 4G in loads more places PLUS vastly improved 3G and 2G at the same time.

And now Vodafone and O2 is starting to roll out 1800 4G, plus re-farming 2G 900 for 3G 900. That's a lot of extra capacity and speed potential.
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Old 24-05-2016, 22:11
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That's what is interesting. Three build from being one of the worst to probably being second best in the majority of eyes.

But now when they needed it most, as their competitors invested, they just stagnated. Now they are just looking more and more like the "rubbish" network that some customers perceived of the brand. The problem is they are no longer the budget network and that used to be the way they grew the company.
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Old 24-05-2016, 22:30
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I also don't get how they've kicked people off the One Plan and are presumably hoping to get data consumption down, thus reducing capacity issues, yet still feel the need to do things like increasing the personal hotspot allowances to 30GB on some plans.

I guess it's because they know that whatever they do, given they have sod all business customers, they're still perceived as the network for data users. So they have to give more data access, which in turn causes problems on the network.
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Old 24-05-2016, 22:38
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It is a strange business model they are following. They went premium to budget ... had some success and grew the business on this.

Now they have tried to go premium but offering less than what the budget service used to offer, for more money. In value terms that doesn't appear like it would ever go well.

I really do suspect that Tesco Mobile will be bigger than Three come this time next year. That will be a sign of how far they will have fallen.

Also whats happens to this sky mobile that was meant to enter yhr market? This was mentioned in the Three grand take over plan, but seems all quiet again now.
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Old 24-05-2016, 22:51
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There are probably discussions taking place behind closed doors as we speak.

Perhaps this legal case is part of something we don't know about? As in a potential buyer wanting to know why Three hasn't got as big a network as it could/should have..

Who knows besides Jackson and the other muppets?
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Old 24-05-2016, 23:38
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Seeing H a bit more often again - not sure if the 800MHz from a week or two ago was just testing and been turned off. Will have to run that LTE logging again.

Meanwhile 6P uptime 149 hours and Wifi Calling is still working, so although it's ceased working once, it's definitely way more reliable than the 5X's was, which failed daily.
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Old 24-05-2016, 23:47
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Morning,

I have a quick question about EE Voicemail, that needs resolving.

Yesterday, it seems like I missed a call, from an 020 number. EE sent me a text saying that the number had called but left no message. The voicemail icon also appeared, so I checked that. It said no new messages.

Now, when I was with Virgin, if I dialled the voicemail number, to hear any messages, then put the phone down, it cleared the voicemail icon from the phone. However, no matter how many times I ring EE's voicemail, it says no new messages, but I cannot seem to get rid of the voicemail icon.

I haven't set up anything other than what was set up when I put the SIM in my phone.

Any ideas on how to resolve this?
Any ideas anyone? I know that the discussion has gone more towards how Three are not doing very well (compared to the other networks), but I thought that someone on here could help me out.

Thanks!
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Old 24-05-2016, 23:57
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Any ideas anyone? I know that the discussion has gone more towards how Three are not doing very well (compared to the other networks), but I thought that someone on here could help me out.

Thanks!
Google is a remarkable thing:

https://community.ee.co.uk/t5/EE-Mob...-no/m-p/422709
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Old 25-05-2016, 00:14
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Yeah, leave yourself a message, listen to it, delete it, icon disappears.
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Old 25-05-2016, 00:21
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Back in the 90s on Orange that used to happen a lot.
I was forever calling myself and deleting my own messages.
Very sad. Worked though. : )
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Old 25-05-2016, 00:47
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Back in the 90s on Orange that used to happen a lot.
I was forever calling myself and deleting my own messages.
Very sad. Worked though. : )
During lean periods I like to leave myself messages, just to check my phone is still working...
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Old 25-05-2016, 07:56
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I leave myself messages to make myself think I'm popular and important....!

Anyone remember when to you could use PC software to send text messages? I think you could send the code to then icons on and off through them. Reminds me too of flash messages, which would display automatically to the user...
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