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#126 |
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Commscope Andrew tri band. Most likely 800/1800/2100
Front ports (not wired) are for 800. The back two inputs will be for 1800 and 2100. The Powerwave 1800 MHAs are visible and it looks like there might be some 2100MHAs there too (behind the panels) |
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#127 |
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Yeaheehay!! I was right. Cheers Peter.
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It's just come back online. I'll go and see what it looks like now
![]() Bookey it would be great if you knew what the work was happening for
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#129 |
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Okay so been to see it again. They're obviously coming back, the wires are hanging loose from the mast and also EE 4G seems to be off completely.
http://imgur.com/a/4JTO3 (didn't take big camera sorry )
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#130 |
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There is one thing I am very very confident of.
By mid to the end of 2017 (and remember that's only 15-21 months away), EE 4G coverage will be so immense that nothing, nothing will come remotely close. Low power 1800 and no 800 make this prediction look ridiculous right now but when both these things are fixed (which is not far away now), you will simply not believe how good it will be. By all means bookmark this post and tell me I'm wrong when we get there. 800 will be the first out of those two and will come soon, the full switch on of 800 being in 2 or 3 months time, if my original guess of Q2 2016 is correct ![]() High power 1800? Got to wait until a lot of devices are doing VoLTE; otherwise 2G will get overloaded (as CSFB will have to go to 2G as well as 3G). But that will probably happen too. Actually, I've thought of something. So long as my Samsung S4 doesn't do its crazy "I must drop to 2G very quickly" thing, with 4G on full power I should be ok and not experience any drop outs - as I will be doing tunein, spotify, youtube and other internet based things over 4G (which is faster than 3G) and calls will go over 2G - ideally with HD Voice being turned on for 2G as well. So theoretically I won't need 3G and it might be able to be refarmed to 4G. But doing that will leave a lot of users on legacy devices either upgrading or moving networks. |
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#131 |
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4G1800 being turned up will get rid of one other bloody annoying "feature" too.
Firstly 3G will disappear if you have VoLTE phone. Secondly it will mean the end of that, 3G holding on to a completely unusable weak signal and refusing to switch to 2G, thing that drives me nuts! If the S4 behaved itself, I wouldn't have a problem with 2G
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#132 |
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They can set accurate thresholds for when the switching between frequencies happens. This functionality is built in rather than being a cludge like switching between technologies often is.
So your handset will switch to 800 well before you end up with an unusable 1800 connection. Eventually frequency switching will not be required as we will all have CA handsets. These will be connected to all frequencies at once and this allows the network to more accurately load balance between them simply by altering the bias one way or the other. Chances are there would be some super rural areas whereby only 800 would be used, but they'd be few and far between... right? |
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#133 |
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If this happens, then what will happen if you suddenly go out of coverage area for a particular band? For example, if I was doing CA on 800, 1800 and 2600, and I lost reception of 2600, would it try and search for 2600 again? Or would it just CA the 800 and 1800?
Chances are there would be some super rural areas whereby only 800 would be used, but they'd be few and far between... right? There are pre defined band priorities and signal thresholds which cause the base station to switch band. If you can get better reception from another serving cell with a more prefered priority then a planned smooth handover happens. I think that's roughly how it works, the idea is that it shouldn't be sudden, it should be managed. However if it is sudden (going into a tunnel) you'll likely lose signal all together and have to reconnect to the network to the best cell and most prefered band on the same priorities as before. |
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#134 |
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My closest EE Ex Orange mast looks like it's getting an 800Mhz upgrade, currently there is no 4G at all. http://arthur.scot/P_16_0128_TEL-Site_Plan-655174.pdf
Planning application has MBNL logo on it however there is on H3G from this site. Good news for the mobile dongle, less so for the phone which is on 3. Hopefully a branded MBNL application signifies the site being MBNL'd at some point and the filling in of the coverage hole. Phone likes to lock onto the 2G and takes for ever to go back to H3G when you travel around. |
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If this happens, then what will happen if you suddenly go out of coverage area for a particular band? For example, if I was doing CA on 800, 1800 and 2600, and I lost reception of 2600, would it try and search for 2600 again? Or would it just CA the 800 and 1800?
Chances are there would be some super rural areas whereby only 800 would be used, but they'd be few and far between... right? Virtually no sites that I know of where only 800 would be used (I would have to confirm that properly) but as a general rule EE's current plan is to get 4G1800 on every single site so it will eventually become the new base technology.... one day. 800 is just to add extra reach where it's needed. |
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#136 |
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I'm not an expert, but from my reading your phone reports it's received signal strength back to the cell case station controller (BSC) and that is fed back to a RNC?
There are pre defined band priorities and signal thresholds which cause the base station to switch band. If you can get better reception from another serving cell with a more prefered priority then a planned smooth handover happens. I think that's roughly how it works, the idea is that it shouldn't be sudden, it should be managed. However if it is sudden (going into a tunnel) you'll likely lose signal all together and have to reconnect to the network to the best cell and most prefered band on the same priorities as before. The network can load balance between carriers so for example if you were on 1800 and 2600 the cell can literally see-saw your bias toward one or the other depending on loading. Makes for a much more efficient network. |
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#137 |
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It would be nice if EE updated their coverage map at some point. It seems ages since they last updated it.
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Have the personal tariffs been changed recently? Noted the business ones have been changed when I went on the EE site over the weekend. Phoned up and managed to knock a tenner off of our business phones, can't complain.
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#139 |
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It would be nice if EE updated their coverage map at some point. It seems ages since they last updated it.
I'm sure it will be updated soon. |
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I was with no coverage on BT Mobile from my work place to almost near my home, that's about 7-9 miles away, only calls were allowed through, no data at all. Not sure what happened tried rebooting device and searching for network.
Got data at home but wonder why there was no edge, 3G or 4G on BT Mobile (EE) for such a large distance. My Three phone on the other hand had full 3G or 4G coverage. |
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It would be nice if EE updated their coverage map at some point. It seems ages since they last updated it.
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A rather random query here, that I'm hoping one of you knowledgeable folk may be able to answer...
My currently unused S6 (EE sourced, with EE firmware) is sitting on my desk without a SIM card in it, but connected to t'internet via wifi. When EE eventually release Marshmallow for it, will the OTA update be flagged and downloadable on the phone whilst it doesn't have a SIM in it? It's not connected to the EE network without a SIM so I'm not sure it would ever get an update released by EE. I'm really not sure how the OTA update identification / verification process works.... |
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I noticed some odd behaviour yesterday on my S7 Edge. In a place where I normally get no signal I noticed at times my phone displaying a few bars of signal but no indication of what it was (no 2G/3G/4G symbol).
I have no idea what it was. I'm sure if there is no signal or extremely low (unusable) I normally see a crossed circle or just no bars period. Any ideas? |
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#144 |
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Everyone is busy making the network awesome..
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I noticed some odd behaviour yesterday on my S7 Edge. In a place where I normally get no signal I noticed at times my phone displaying a few bars of signal but no indication of what it was (no 2G/3G/4G symbol).
I have no idea what it was. I'm sure if there is no signal or extremely low (unusable) I normally see a crossed circle or just no bars period. Any ideas? |
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#146 |
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Not in Nottingham they aren't.. I get an awesome Edge data connection when I'm inside at work.
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Not in Nottingham they aren't.. I get an awesome Edge data connection when I'm inside at work.
![]() LTE Discovery reports as an unknown band rather than the usual Band 3 too, additionally all 12 neighbouring cells are now LTE rather than a mixture of UCDMA/GSM... (between -99 and -120 RSRP) |
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#148 |
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It will come. That Edge will be 4G by the end of the year. Likely the site has already been 2G refreshed, likely just needs a card and suitable back haul and away you go.
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A rather random query here, that I'm hoping one of you knowledgeable folk may be able to answer...
My currently unused S6 (EE sourced, with EE firmware) is sitting on my desk without a SIM card in it, but connected to t'internet via wifi. When EE eventually release Marshmallow for it, will the OTA update be flagged and downloadable on the phone whilst it doesn't have a SIM in it? It's not connected to the EE network without a SIM so I'm not sure it would ever get an update released by EE. I'm really not sure how the OTA update identification / verification process works.... |
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#150 |
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It will be the signal when making emergency calls. Samsung display that as if it was normal signal.
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