What's coverage like at Glastonbury the rest of the year?
EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)
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Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“What's coverage like at Glastonbury the rest of the year?”
“What's coverage like at Glastonbury the rest of the year?”
BA4 4BY in the coverage checker:
5/5 4G ("Double Speed")
5/5 3G
4/5 2G
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“Has it always been good anyway then?”
“Has it always been good anyway then?”
I think it's been upgraded between last glastonbury and this as the coverage map had no 4g after glastonbury and it's had 4g on the map for months now.
As you might imagine, 20mhz and 5 masts isn't enough for a small city of nearly 200,000 people. There was no throughput and stupidly slow and most parts for me so hopefully the 6th mast and 55mhz capacity will improve things.
Originally Posted by packages:
“I think it's been upgraded between last glastonbury and this as the coverage map had no 4g after glastonbury and it's had 4g on the map for months now.
As you might imagine, 20mhz and 5 masts isn't enough for a small city of nearly 200,000 people. There was no throughput and stupidly slow and most parts for me so hopefully the 6th mast and 55mhz capacity will improve things.”
“I think it's been upgraded between last glastonbury and this as the coverage map had no 4g after glastonbury and it's had 4g on the map for months now.
As you might imagine, 20mhz and 5 masts isn't enough for a small city of nearly 200,000 people. There was no throughput and stupidly slow and most parts for me so hopefully the 6th mast and 55mhz capacity will improve things.”
Don't forget, masts will be six sector too, so nearly 2.5Gbps of 4G downlink per site, compared to 450Mbps last year.
They must be having to fibre each mast then?
I also wonder how the Cell IDs will be allocated, as there will be three carriers and six sectors, so there will be 18 Cell IDs to allocate.
Originally Posted by packages:
“Hi everyone,
I'll be heading off to Glastonbury in the early hours so will see what the speeds are like this year. Unfortunately I only have an iPhone 6 so won't get max speeds (although I bet you'll never be able to hit them anyway)
55mhz of bandwidth (
), VoLTE and a 6th mast is being deployed on site so I'm hoping a reliable service will be at play as last year was pretty bad.
Is there a permanent area in the UK with that much bandwidth at hand?”
“Hi everyone,
I'll be heading off to Glastonbury in the early hours so will see what the speeds are like this year. Unfortunately I only have an iPhone 6 so won't get max speeds (although I bet you'll never be able to hit them anyway)
55mhz of bandwidth (
), VoLTE and a 6th mast is being deployed on site so I'm hoping a reliable service will be at play as last year was pretty bad. Is there a permanent area in the UK with that much bandwidth at hand?”
Make sure to get some pictures! :P
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Don't forget, masts will be six sector too, so nearly 2.5Gbps of 4G downlink per site, compared to 450Mbps last year.
They must be having to fibre each mast then?
I also wonder how the Cell IDs will be allocated, as there will be three carriers and six sectors, so there will be 18 Cell IDs to allocate.”
“Don't forget, masts will be six sector too, so nearly 2.5Gbps of 4G downlink per site, compared to 450Mbps last year.
They must be having to fibre each mast then?
I also wonder how the Cell IDs will be allocated, as there will be three carriers and six sectors, so there will be 18 Cell IDs to allocate.”
It *would* be possible with a 3Gbps MW on every site but with the amount of fibre people will be running on the site for the tech on-stage, I wouldn't be surprised if they fibre'd them all to a central location with some beefy fibre lines (they'll also have some stuff for the WiFi they're offering).
It appears that current allocation for tri sector has 3, 4, and 5 free, possibly for the three other L18 sectors. No idea how they'll do the L26 however as that uses IDs 6/7/8 for the first carrier and 9/10/11 for the second.
First speed test at Glastonbury https://imgur.com/a/TiW52
Now actually in the Glastonbury site. On 2600mhz https://imgur.com/a/yk0gH
Two very contrasting tests. Last ones from me. Congestion has started but calls still "instant" on 4G
https://imgur.com/a/vnEYT
https://imgur.com/a/gqYTc
https://imgur.com/a/vnEYT
https://imgur.com/a/gqYTc
Originally Posted by packages:
“Two very contrasting tests. Last ones from me. Congestion has started but calls still "instant" on 4G
https://imgur.com/a/vnEYT
https://imgur.com/a/gqYTc”
“Two very contrasting tests. Last ones from me. Congestion has started but calls still "instant" on 4G
https://imgur.com/a/vnEYT
https://imgur.com/a/gqYTc”
VoLTE will be top priority, so that should still work fine even if "normal" data is struggling
Glastonbury EE Temporary masts (with Schematic)
A very sophisticated mast setup: Six sectors of 55MHz 4G spectrum. Nice!
A very sophisticated mast setup: Six sectors of 55MHz 4G spectrum. Nice!
Originally Posted by Pedro_C:
“Glastonbury EE Temporary masts (with Schematic)
A very sophisticated mast setup: Six sectors of 55MHz 4G spectrum. Nice!”
“Glastonbury EE Temporary masts (with Schematic)
A very sophisticated mast setup: Six sectors of 55MHz 4G spectrum. Nice!”
Very informative as always! Hopefully EE will perform very well at Glastonbury!
Are Three UK also using the EE setup for 1800MHz and 2100MHz? Or are they using their own masts?
Furthermore, I saw the CTIL (Vod/O2) mast there, which is just their standard mast for covering the area. Will Vod/O2 also have temporary masts, or are they just using the permanent mast pictured on that webpage?
Also, didn't know that they could have panels that split into two sectors per panel - I thought there would be six panels for each set of frequencies.
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“Are Three UK also using the EE setup for 1800MHz and 2100MHz? Or are they using their own masts?”
“Are Three UK also using the EE setup for 1800MHz and 2100MHz? Or are they using their own masts?”
Only EE are on their masts.
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“Furthermore, I saw the CTIL (Vod/O2) mast there, which is just their standard mast for covering the area. Will Vod/O2 also have temporary masts, or are they just using the permanent mast pictured on that webpage?”
“Furthermore, I saw the CTIL (Vod/O2) mast there, which is just their standard mast for covering the area. Will Vod/O2 also have temporary masts, or are they just using the permanent mast pictured on that webpage?”
Probably just using the permanent shown. Maybe another temp too but not sure on the terms are.
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“Also, didn't know that they could have panels that split into two sectors per panel - I thought there would be six panels for each set of frequencies.”
“Also, didn't know that they could have panels that split into two sectors per panel - I thought there would be six panels for each set of frequencies.”
They can have panels split into 5 sectors!
Originally Posted by Pedro_C:
“Only EE are on their masts.
”
“Only EE are on their masts.
”
Thank you for clarifying - Three will probably struggle as they'll be relying on the 3G from the nearest MBNL mast, unless they've also got 4G. Either way, they'll be completely swamped on 4G (15MHz won't be enough) and cell breathing will occur on 3G, and the 3G mast will likely be overloaded. Ouch!
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“Probably just using the permanent shown. Maybe another temp too but not sure on the terms are.
They can have panels split into 5 sectors!”
“Probably just using the permanent shown. Maybe another temp too but not sure on the terms are.
They can have panels split into 5 sectors!”
Wowee - 5 sector panels! I take it, that would be for exceptionally high load areas, like Wembley Stadium etc?
If they're just using the permanent, they may end up being in a spot of bother... and in regards to temp masts, if they put up another antiquated mast (like that HSDPA mast you mentioned in the temp mast video), then that won't help either. They'll need a modern setup, like what EE are doing. And Vodafone needs to get 1800 to 4G, and 2600 rolled out more!
I think that, if I was going to Glastonbury, I would certainly want to be on EE for data (thankfully, EE is the network I am on, though I am not going to Glastonbury) - the other 3 networks may struggle.
As a side note, will EE be using Carrier Aggregation as well, or just one carrier per phone, in order to allow everyone to get the most capacity possible?
The whole point of CA is to allow more flexible and efficient use of the spectrum available.
It's primary purpose is not to provide an individual with the fastest speeds, it's to allow the network to better allocate the various frequency layers to the attached devices.
It allows a cell to smoothly alter bias between say, 1800 and 2600 to a device or group of devices thereby allowing maximum use of available spectrum.
It's primary purpose is not to provide an individual with the fastest speeds, it's to allow the network to better allocate the various frequency layers to the attached devices.
It allows a cell to smoothly alter bias between say, 1800 and 2600 to a device or group of devices thereby allowing maximum use of available spectrum.
As of today, 4G calling is now available everywhere there's 4G coverage.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“As of today, 4G calling is now available everywhere there's 4G coverage.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.”
“As of today, 4G calling is now available everywhere there's 4G coverage.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.”
That's handy to know, last I checked they were saying July.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“As of today, 4G calling is now available everywhere there's 4G coverage.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.”
“As of today, 4G calling is now available everywhere there's 4G coverage.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.”
Wow, 800MHz can't be too far off then me thinks.
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“Wow, 800MHz can't be too far off then me thinks.”
“Wow, 800MHz can't be too far off then me thinks.”
I certainly hope so.
The thing now is to get more handsets able to use it (and Wi-Fi calling). So far it's not great that outside of the iPhone 6/6s (and plus models), and a number of Lumia phones that nobody owns, you've got the BlackBerry Priv and Xperia X - and both of those must have EE firmware on them.
This is now something they need to fix, as well as turning on 800, which they can of course start to do whenever they wish now.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“As of today, 4G calling is now available everywhere there's 4G coverage.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.”
“As of today, 4G calling is now available everywhere there's 4G coverage.
Now let's get in with 800 and adding VoLTE support to more phones.”
Good news.
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