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#1751 |
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Currently still having EE issues here. I've got onto CS and it's been raised as a fault. Now get no service in buildings where I used to at least get 2G, usually 4G. 4G building coverage is now 1 bar 3G or 2G. 4G outdoors is patchy. Phone usually reselects for 3G any time I try and use it. 3G is so congested you can't use it. Worst of all I can't make calls (nor can anyone up here!) that last more than about 30 seconds before the call drops. If you move the call drops. All in all a right mess. EE have passed it over to the network team to look into. I can't even use WiFi calling to make calls as my broadband and landline are down. Deep joy.
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#1752 |
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Thanks for explaining that, I figured 800 wouldn't be in every mast for EE. I'm glad to know it'll be more than the 4000ish already thought. As for 1800 powering up would that happen as 800 comes online? How would it affect P&G customers if they won't have access?
I'm guessing it would be in 3's best interest to rollout 800 on every mast as they simply don't have the capacity otherwise? We don't know when 800 is coming either but I assume soon-ish. Once 800 is on then at some point in the future the 1800 power could be raised. The only issue with doing that is that those with non VoLTE 4G handsets may find themselves very occasionally with a usable 4G signal but just outside the range of 2G for calls. I would imagine that wouldn't be too often though since the difference between 2G and 4G coverage will be small. For PAYG customers the same (assuming they aren't ever getting access to VoLTE). They will continue to CSFB to a circuit switched layer. |
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800 will surely be announced only when all the major handsets are ready to be supported. Bit of a PR nightmare otherwise.
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800 will surely be announced only when all the major handsets are ready to be supported. Bit of a PR nightmare otherwise.
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True, but I think even 4G calling isn't being widely shouted about yet for much the same reason.
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True, but I think even 4G calling isn't being widely shouted about yet for much the same reason.
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LG G4 Field test mode Just thought I would do a video with it being so useful for sniffing out 'hidden' mobile radio waves.
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4G speed
Hi just recorded my fastest ever speed on EE in the main shopping part of Wakefield, pretty impressive.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mshfv45whh...%2046.png?dl=0 |
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EE 4G was running reasonably smoothly last night at the Lionel Richie concert at Colchester United Stadium. 16k+ people at this one.
Speeds were down to a couple of MBs at times so not your usual 4G experience but everything was loading and calls went through fine over 3G first time. 2600 4G on this mast I'm sure would have helped though and maybe one day will happen as it is still running the legacy 6 sector ex orange antenna array. |
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LG G4 Field test mode Just thought I would do a video with it being so useful for sniffing out 'hidden' mobile radio waves.
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Fantastic - I've been looking for the code to get into field test mode on the G5, and swapping the model number (815) at the end for 850 gives me the same menus in the G5. Thanks again, been looking for that for ages!
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Ah so confirmation the G5 supports band selection as well!
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True, but I think even 4G calling isn't being widely shouted about yet for much the same reason.
800 I suspect won't be shouted about for precisely the reason you said in your previous post. If they don't mention it they can turn it on tomorrow and there'd be no issues. Then just add handsets as you go. They don't need to advertise it. User experience will do the job for them. |
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LG G4 Field test mode Just thought I would do a video with it being so useful for sniffing out 'hidden' mobile radio waves.
Plus - it has that elusive LTE/WCDMA only mode that I require on this S4... no 2G for me thank you very much!
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And on a related note: Went to Yelden, Bedfordshire, as they had a village fete on today. Took my S4 with me to test the network around that area (as well as for if I get any notifications). 3G was surprisingly strong, and 4G was present too. Looking on Sitefinder, there is a T-Mob/3/Orange mast, which is now used for EE 3G/4G and likely 3 3G (maybe 4G?). Speeds were amazing - almost 90Mbps on 4G, and 3G at 27Mbps! One of the fastest 4G results I've had, and by far the fastest 3G result! Now that's what I call a success! For comparison's sake, I just checked O2's coverage checker for Yelden and it said: Quote:
Patchy outdoors. Patchy indoors. Not good for mobile broadband.
Oh, poo! And for Vodafone? Quote:
On a phone you can expect to be able to use email and internet on our 2G network.
Um... still misleading customers by describing 2G as 3G, eh? Anyway, that's a "No Service" for 3G/4G on Vodafone. Ouch!Just proves that not many masts at 900MHz can be worse than more masts at 2100MHz. |
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Thanks - extremely helpful and informative video which may well confirm my next choice of phone if the Galaxy S4 of mine conks out!
Plus - it has that elusive LTE/WCDMA only mode that I require on this S4... no 2G for me thank you very much! ![]() Static streaming over 4G is fine, if on the move you loose 4G and fall back on to 3G the phone never returns to 4G even though you can pass within metres of a 4G mast. |
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Stating 2G isn't misleading. It's stating you'll be on 2G. In many cases email and internet can run on that.
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It can on an upgraded site, but then you should have at least 3G too.
EDGE isn't too bad when it works. |
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Stating 2G isn't misleading. It's stating you'll be on 2G. In many cases email and internet can run on that.
And in any case, EDGE will not be sufficient for most Internet tasks. Basic web browsing on plain text pages (with virtually no additional content), possibly. Emails with little to no attachments? Quite possibly. But anything more than that, and EDGE is going to struggle. You're only going to get about 150kbit/s, which is virtually nothing. GPRS, at about 30kbit/s (commonly found on older, non upgraded masts) will be even worse and will barely load anything. |
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It can on an upgraded site, but then you should have at least 3G too.
EDGE isn't too bad when it works. I tried Giffgaff EDGE once (about a year ago) and it barely worked, even Tunein wouldn't work. And that was EDGE. So imagine what GPRS would have been like. |
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Depends on the stream bitrate, but i've had TuneIn working on EDGE. Might see how far I can push that though, lol
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if on the move you loose 4G and fall back on to 3G the phone never returns to 4G even though you can pass within metres of a 4G mast.
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Thanks - extremely helpful and informative video which may well confirm my next choice of phone if the Galaxy S4 of mine conks out!
Plus - it has that elusive LTE/WCDMA only mode that I require on this S4... no 2G for me thank you very much! ![]() |
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And in any case, EDGE will not be sufficient for most Internet tasks. Basic web browsing on plain text pages (with virtually no additional content), possibly. Emails with little to no attachments? Quite possibly. But anything more than that, and EDGE is going to struggle. You're only going to get about 150kbit/s, which is virtually nothing. GPRS, at about 30kbit/s (commonly found on older, non upgraded masts) will be even worse and will barely load anything.
Interactive use would indeed be a likely frustrating experience - especially if the user has travelled to the 2G area from somewhere with decent 3G/4G and thus knows what is possible in other areas. Granted, I write that from the standpoint of being on Three for the past 4 years. So I have not actually experienced 2G data in that time; in the areas their 2G fallback still exists it's only active for voice and SMS. |
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Streaming would be painful on 2G, but you've described perfectly how 2G can work for many other things that aren't dependent on speed, but steady connectivity.
If a site has a slow backhaul, it will be as good as useless. If no data flows, you may get timeouts and errors - then your email won't be sent at all, sitting with an error in the outbox until you get back to 3G or 4G, or maybe when you get home and reconnect to Wi-Fi. Such experiences are bad because by then you might actually have a problem if the email was important. It's like when Orange suffered such congestion at one time, text messages would come through days later (a text being retried for transmission at ever increasing intervals, so eventually it may be many, many hours before it even attempts to re-send). Thankfully I think with the drop in SMS usage and other network improvements, it's near impossible to have a text message fail to get delivered promptly. But as I said, for most people (i.e. those who don't have a 2G only phone) once you get an upgraded site that delivers usable 2G, you'd be connected to it on 3G or 4G. |
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