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#1826 |
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That reminds me of the EE/MBNL 3G mast in Hillington, Norfolk!
It's right on the edge of a bank of trees - so you'll only get coverage in one particular direction (I think North West?). Any other direction and you quickly drop back to No Service (or possibly Orange 2G) due to the trees. Now who think that this is a good place to put a mast? ![]() https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.80...7i13312!8i6656 I think i can beat that - You can just about make out the bottom of the pole up hill of the gate. This was taken back in 2009 and is now even worse. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.72...7i13312!8i6656 |
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#1827 |
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I think i can beat that - You can just about make out the bottom of the pole up hill of the gate. This was taken back in 2009 and is now even worse.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.72...7i13312!8i6656 Also, does it just do G18, or does it do U21/L18 as well? If it doesn't already have L18, and it is still in use (i.e. not decommissioned), then EE will upgrade it - and when they do, lets hope that they can either chop the trees down or relocate the mast! But anyway, two EE masts that need locating in different positions! |
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#1828 |
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Try our local mast for trees. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.80...7i13312!8i6656
It's almost completely hidden. Looking at a pic from a few years ago, you can see the problems that EE now have with this site. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.80...7i13312!8i6656 As far as I can tell, this mast has EE U21/G18 and Three U21. There is work listed on the roadworks site as "Telecoms maintenance works on cabintes" (their spelling) 4/7-6/7 and "Cherry Picker to access telecoms mast for repairs." 18/8. Not sure what this is all for but I hope there will be 4G enabled for both EE and Three. |
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#1829 |
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Try our local mast for trees. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.80...7i13312!8i6656
It's almost completely hidden. Looking at a pic from a few years ago, you can see the problems that EE now have with this site. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.80...7i13312!8i6656 As far as I can tell, this mast has EE U21/G18 and Three U21. There is work listed on the roadworks site as "Telecoms maintenance works on cabintes" (their spelling) 4/7-6/7 and "Cherry Picker to access telecoms mast for repairs." 18/8. Not sure what this is all for but I hope there will be 4G enabled for both EE and Three. That needs sorting out - ideally, the trees need to be cut back, but anything to try and fix the issue would be good. Given that most RF frequencies require "line of sight" (particularly high frequencies like 2100MHz) to be picked up decently, that mast can't actually be giving off much decent coverage now! Let's hope that that mast gets its trees removed, then upgraded (or relocated and upgraded) - as masts in trees are just not going to work. It goes against the laws of physics. |
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That needs sorting out - ideally, the trees need to be cut back, but anything to try and fix the issue would be good.
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#1831 |
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Good lord - even in 2008, that monopole was quite well hidden in the trees, with only half of it on display. In 2015 it was totally covered over!
That needs sorting out - ideally, the trees need to be cut back, but anything to try and fix the issue would be good. Given that most RF frequencies require "line of sight" (particularly high frequencies like 2100MHz) to be picked up decently, that mast can't actually be giving off much decent coverage now! Let's hope that that mast gets its trees removed, then upgraded (or relocated and upgraded) - as masts in trees are just not going to work. It goes against the laws of physics. |
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#1832 |
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I really dislike having to ask for such things on forums rather than persist with official channels, but are any of the EE staffers on here, able to look at the ex-Orange part of the network in BS37 4xx and see either what's happening with an IM reference I can PM..or what might be causing every voice call to be failing if you're camped on 234-33 3G, since 2weeks now.
I will keep persisting with the official channels. but if anyone is able to assist then, well yeah... |
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#1833 |
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I really dislike having to ask for such things on forums rather than persist with official channels, but are any of the EE staffers on here, able to look at the ex-Orange part of the network in BS37 4xx and see either what's happening with an IM reference I can PM..or what might be causing every voice call to be failing if you're camped on 234-33 3G, since 2weeks now.
I will keep persisting with the official channels. but if anyone is able to assist then, well yeah... http://ee.co.uk/ee-and-me/network/4g...status-checker |
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#1834 |
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I really dislike having to ask for such things on forums rather than persist with official channels, but are any of the EE staffers on here, able to look at the ex-Orange part of the network in BS37 4xx and see either what's happening with an IM reference I can PM..or what might be causing every voice call to be failing if you're camped on 234-33 3G, since 2weeks now.
I will keep persisting with the official channels. but if anyone is able to assist then, well yeah... |
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#1835 |
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@DevonBloke - yes, the status checker was the reason I didn't log the issues until day 3 or 4, but not once over this 2week period has it ever admitted to a single thing being wrong. As I told the CS guy this morning, essentially it's useless.
@MInardi - yes my device spends roughly half it's time locked to 2G only at the moment, the other half is in dual-mode in the vain hope that the problem's been fixed. (although it's beyond me why I should need to do, and why EE can't lock the offending sector/site at network level) How long had your problems lasted? I'm not sure what's the most frustrating - my wife's phone not having a usable "No-3G" option, the utter lack of "EE to me" update/contact but everything left to "me to EE", or the fact the problem has been ongoing for so long with seemingly no resolution in sight. I suppose the only saving grace is that there's no foreign CS involved - I'd have ported at least one of our numbers away from EE by now if that had been the case, I'm still mulling whether to port my wife's Lumia out as a short-term measure. |
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Officially a few days, but 3G has never been that reliable here, ever. Having now got a phone that can do it I've just left my phone permanently in 2G/4G mode, and it's bloody brilliant.
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#1837 |
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Officially a few days, but 3G has never been that reliable here, ever. Having now got a phone that can do it I've just left my phone permanently in 2G/4G mode, and it's bloody brilliant.
I just cannot understand why they either can't find what is so glaring a fault, or are choosing to leave it in service. Might have to start calling CS daily soon, but there are just so much more exciting ways of spending 20minutes each morning. |
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#1838 |
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Wow! Is that an old Orange telegraph pole mast? If so, that is in a useless position as the trees will block out the signal!
Also, does it just do G18, or does it do U21/L18 as well? If it doesn't already have L18, and it is still in use (i.e. not decommissioned), then EE will upgrade it - and when they do, lets hope that they can either chop the trees down or relocate the mast! But anyway, two EE masts that need locating in different positions! Best thing the would do is relocate as its in a poor location with out the trees. Its just a G18 mast so crossing my fingers for some 800mhz 4g soon. Have to wait till autumn first as BT aren't rolling fiber out to till then. FTTP so will theoretically be able to get 300meg at home then
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#1839 |
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Streaming would be painful on 2G, but you've described perfectly how 2G can work for many other things that aren't dependent on speed, but steady connectivity.
If a site has a slow backhaul, it will be as good as useless. If no data flows, you may get timeouts and errors - then your email won't be sent at all, sitting with an error in the outbox until you get back to 3G or 4G, or maybe when you get home and reconnect to Wi-Fi. Such experiences are bad because by then you might actually have a problem if the email was important. It's like when Orange suffered such congestion at one time, text messages would come through days later (a text being retried for transmission at ever increasing intervals, so eventually it may be many, many hours before it even attempts to re-send). Thankfully I think with the drop in SMS usage and other network improvements, it's near impossible to have a text message fail to get delivered promptly. But as I said, for most people (i.e. those who don't have a 2G only phone) once you get an upgraded site that delivers usable 2G, you'd be connected to it on 3G or 4G. Also, since 2G can deliver a max theoretical speed of 220kbps (EDGE - assume 150kbps at the end user), it's running very close to potentially dropping out. On a 48kbps stream or lower, you might just about get away with it (assuming that the phone is constantly connected to EDGE, and using as much data/bandwidth as it possibly can for Tunein). However, on higher bitrates (so 128kbps or more), it's just not going to work. GPRS is even worse and will not work at all for any stream (as GPRS will give you about 30kbps in reality). This is why 3G would be much better for stuff like Tunein - on modern masts, there is plenty of capacity on the downlink/uplink for Tunein and anything else that needs an internet connection. Even a bare bones UMTS service (384k theoretical) will run nicely on all Tunein streams, except for possibly the 320k streams. As for slow backhaul - many ex-Orange sites, as well as older Vod/O2 sites, have either microwave or copper backhaul, which isn't ideal (copper being limited at 2Mbps, giving the end user about 0.2Mbps). I've never experienced texts not coming through, though I have seen other people have that problem... |
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#1840 |
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Yes its an old Orange telegraph pole mast. Its Useless -Aprox range 700m. They only recently replaced the antenna as a branch destroyed it in a storm - don't understand why they didn't do anything then.
Best thing the would do is relocate as its in a poor location with out the trees. Its just a G18 mast so crossing my fingers for some 800mhz 4g soon. Have to wait till autumn first as BT aren't rolling fiber out to till then. FTTP so will theoretically be able to get 300meg at home then ![]() I hope for you that the mast gets relocated, but there may be planning issues etc. Also, the Orange site will be on 2Mbps copper backhaul, so that will need upgrading - but if it's old GPRS @ 55kbps (theoretical) then it won't matter what backhaul it is on. Though having said that, the backhaul will need upgrading for U21/L18/L08. 700m does seem like a very short range... though having said that, I don't know what the normal range of a telegraph pole mast is supposed to be. I have an old Orange G18 telegraph pole nearby, haven't tested it yet though will do soon - and that one doesn't have any obstacles. If the range is more than 700m then it's definitely the trees! If anyone else on here knows anything more about the telegraph poles that Orange used to use (especially the range) then please let me know! |
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.)I agree with you on how the priorities are set up, L26, then L18, then L08
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I've never experienced texts not coming through, though I have seen other people have that problem...
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#1843 |
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Stereo Steve's LDV mast is working properly for you then!
![]() I don't really send a lot of texts to be honest, but when I do, they always go through (unless there is no 3G). |
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#1844 |
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The priorities with L26 and L18 don't really matter as CA devices will CA the two and load balancing will cause non-CA devices to go the best layer at that time.
For example, there are two masts in Leicester that are quite close to each other. One is more of a fill in mast, and has L18 (no L26, I don't think) and when in that area, my S4 goes to the L18 from that mast (and does about 40Mbps+ usually). The other mast is quite a tall mast and covers quite a large area - that has L18 and L26, and the S4 usually goes to L26. Speeds are usually good there as well, about 20-40Mbps? Previously, when there were only a couple of 4G masts activated in leicester (on EE), the speeds were much lower - one mast was giving 10Mbps down, 20Mbps up and the other was giving 20Mbps both ways. |
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Thought so - I've seen quite a few ex-Orange telegraph poles around my area. As you said, they tend to be G18 only, but I just wanted to check just in case it did actually have U21.
I hope for you that the mast gets relocated, but there may be planning issues etc. Also, the Orange site will be on 2Mbps copper backhaul, so that will need upgrading - but if it's old GPRS @ 55kbps (theoretical) then it won't matter what backhaul it is on. Though having said that, the backhaul will need upgrading for U21/L18/L08. 700m does seem like a very short range... though having said that, I don't know what the normal range of a telegraph pole mast is supposed to be. I have an old Orange G18 telegraph pole nearby, haven't tested it yet though will do soon - and that one doesn't have any obstacles. If the range is more than 700m then it's definitely the trees! If anyone else on here knows anything more about the telegraph poles that Orange used to use (especially the range) then please let me know! |
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Stereo Steve's LDV mast is working properly for you then!
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That needs sorting out - ideally, the trees need to be cut back, but anything to try and fix the issue would be good. Given that most RF frequencies require "line of sight" (particularly high frequencies like 2100MHz) to be picked up decently, that mast can't actually be giving off much decent coverage now!
Let's hope that that mast gets its trees removed, then upgraded (or relocated and upgraded) - as masts in trees are just not going to work. It goes against the laws of physics. I was going to move onto EE last month but Three offered me Unlimited mins, texts and 4GB data for £9 a month, so I'm with them for another 11 months before I move onto EE. |
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Ignite-what does the cabinet look like so I can recognise it?
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Ignite-what does the cabinet look like so I can recognise it?
Out of interest, there are a few EE Alifab masts being installed with a cabinet fitted round the base of the pole, so the pole is coming out of the cabinet. Is this a new way of installing them? |
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Sitting under the monument on the A11 having lunch. Still 2G/4G on the mast lol.Lovely MTBing area. 😂
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