EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)

DevonBloke · 06-07-2016, 23:54

Quote:

Maybe it might be that EE are testing L08 on that mast, rather than allowing everyone to jump on it - as normally L08 would have a priority above that of U21 and G18?

Or am I totally wrong?

Yep, totally wrong!

DevonBloke · 06-07-2016, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by packages

Briefly connected to some 800mhz today, checked the Serving Layer Priority in Field Test Mode where it was 0. First time I've seen that, every other time I've connected to it another place it was set to 4.

I have noticed 800 appearing now and again. I also got priority 0.
This is clearly the field test not working properly.
But something is going on....

packages · 07-07-2016, 08:35

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Originally Posted by DevonBloke

I have noticed 800 appearing now and again. I also got priority 0.
This is clearly the field test not working properly.
But something is going on....

I actually think Field Test is working correctly (for this anyway). It's probably just at 0 for testing.

How long you thinking into they start rolling it out? Another gradual rollout like VoLTE? Thing what worries me is the infographic map which should landmass coverage still not high for end of 2016 where I would have thought that 800 would boost it massively.

jonmorris · 07-07-2016, 10:28

I think the 800 switch on will be done in one go, give or a take a few days (depending on how easy it is to do from a network operations centre). I doubt there will be a big song and dance about it, and most people won't know unless they're on here!

Until most 2016 and 2015 Android devices are updated to have VoLTE, I can't see EE doing any advertising. It would be mad to promote better indoor coverage, or rural coverage, and have the small print stating it is only available to a small number of handsets.

I'd guess they'll start rolling out OTA updates for EE supplied phones, and update generic firmwares where possible (like the S7 getting VoLTE on Three even on SIM free models) and then begin an advertising campaign, where Kevin Bacon will feature in an ad that shows the benefits, and not mentioning VoLTE or 800, just that EE now covers more places. Then the small print can say 'compatible devices only' but with that being a far smaller list than now.

Gigabit · 07-07-2016, 22:23

Hope 800 will be arriving soon. The coverage really could be rather special if Three's 800MHz is something to go by.

jchamier · 07-07-2016, 22:30

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

and have the small print stating it is only available to a small number of handsets.

You could be right. Or EE have a silly number of iPhone 6 and 6s handsets that are using VoLTE and want to shout about it !!

Quote:

just that EE now covers more places. Then the small print can say 'compatible devices only' but with that being a far smaller list than now.

Maybe they can use the 'smashing down walls' phrase that a purple puppet used, or maybe have Bacon in somewhere like an office toilet cubicle saying '4G now works in here'

enapace · 07-07-2016, 22:34

I've been using VoLTE for a while now and don't even realise I am anymore. Though I find WiFi call to LTE handoff for calls still fails sometimes.

Stereo Steve · 08-07-2016, 10:14

Anyone know if EE wifi calling works on Sim only? 30 day / 12 month? Thanks.

Synthetic42 · 08-07-2016, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Stereo Steve

Anyone know if EE wifi calling works on Sim only? 30 day / 12 month? Thanks.

It does

Stereo Steve · 08-07-2016, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Synthetic42

It does

Cheers.

The Lord Lucan · 08-07-2016, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

Hope 800 will be arriving soon. The coverage really could be rather special if Three's 800MHz is something to go by.

I agree. 800 Three gives me full bars in my house but EE 1800 gives me a slightly faster (but flaky) 1 bar.

Skippy2005 · 08-07-2016, 22:22

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

I agree. 800 Three gives me full bars in my house but EE 1800 gives me a slightly faster (but flaky) 1 bar.

Hey Lucan long time no see, have you not heard anything about EE800, surely your still the man to ask.

Adamuk · 08-07-2016, 22:41

Regarding wifi and 4G calling, is anybody else still getting an international ringback tone? Surely this needs changing at some point, especially if the service is considered live?

packages · 08-07-2016, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamuk

Regarding wifi and 4G calling, is anybody else still getting an international ringback tone? Surely this needs changing at some point, especially if the service is considered live?

Yep - they even state this in the 4G & Wifi Calling help pages.

The Lord Lucan · 08-07-2016, 23:42

I actually prefer it..

Adamuk · 09-07-2016, 13:05

People keep asking if I'm abroad when they call!

I like to think I'm relatively tech savvy, and don't see how it could be all that difficult to change? Surely it's a localisation setting in the back end, or something?

Or maybe that I am doing a lot of very technically skilled people a discredit there, and it's a very complex system!

Synthetic42 · 09-07-2016, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamuk

People keep asking if I'm abroad when they call!

I like to think I'm relatively tech savvy, and don't see how it could be all that difficult to change? Surely it's a localisation setting in the back end, or something?

Or maybe that I am doing a lot of very technically skilled people a discredit there, and it's a very complex system!

I think it's just how the IMS works, not sure it can be changed

matty1000kk · 10-07-2016, 11:50

Coverage map updated.

georgi_prodanov · 10-07-2016, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by matty1000kk

Coverage map updated.

How do you know if map has been updated

beans0ntoast · 10-07-2016, 15:50

Anyone know what's going to be happening at Thorpe Camp museum, at Tattershall Thorpe, Lincolnshire?

EE signal as follows
4G, outdoors -120 dBm, 25% 0 bars. Nothing indoors
3G, outdoors -107 dBm, 10% 1 bar. Nothing indoors.
Both are 23430.

2G, EDGE, 23433, outdoors 75%, don't know how many dBm but it's full strength outdoors. Don't know indoors as it was a very rough test, as I will not use 2G

Anyone know what will happen? This orange mast needs modernizing as coverage is poor!

d123 · 10-07-2016, 16:49

Cryptic tweet from EE today.

Quote:

EE (@EE)
10/07/2016, 08:00
Good morning, just finalising some breaking news for Monday, but what could it be? 🤔

beans0ntoast · 10-07-2016, 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

Cryptic tweet from EE today.

Could well be the launch of L08 and/or Volte support on a larger number of devices.

Wouldn't it be great if the S4 got Volte? Though if not, will the LG G4 get it? As I already seriously considering going for the G4 in a few months time.

Toffee-Brann · 10-07-2016, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

Cryptic tweet from EE today.

Probably be something to do with BT sport being available to EE customers.

ozz · 10-07-2016, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by beans0ntoast

Anyone know what's going to be happening at Thorpe Camp museum, at Tattershall Thorpe, Lincolnshire?

EE signal as follows
4G, outdoors -120 dBm, 25% 0 bars. Nothing indoors
3G, outdoors -107 dBm, 10% 1 bar. Nothing indoors.
Both are 23430.

2G, EDGE, 23433, outdoors 75%, don't know how many dBm but it's full strength outdoors. Don't know indoors as it was a very rough test, as I will not use 2G

Anyone know what will happen? This orange mast needs modernizing as coverage is poor!

There are a lot of ex Orange 2G only sites in the area so I imagine infrastructure isn't there yet for 3G/4G. With exception to Kirkby on Bain and Mareham Le Fen MBNL sites, 4G seems to be live on MBNL sites, indeed I uploaded photos over 4G at the Battle Of Britain Memorial museum just fine last year.

jchamier · 10-07-2016, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozz

There are a lot of ex Orange 2G only sites in the area so I imagine infrastructure isn't there yet for 3G/4G. With exception to Kirkby on Bain and Mareham Le Fen MBNL sites, 4G seems to be live on MBNL sites, indeed I uploaded photos over 4G at the Battle Of Britain Memorial museum just fine last year.

If live on the MBNL sites then this is probably waiting on the backhaul and from experience trying to get a circuit (leased line) into a building, this can take from 6 weeks to 2.5 years from original order :-/

06-07-2016, 23:54	#1876
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Quote: Originally Posted by beans0ntoast Maybe it might be that EE are testing L08 on that mast, rather than allowing everyone to jump on it - as normally L08 would have a priority above that of U21 and G18? Or am I totally wrong? Yep, totally wrong!

06-07-2016, 23:54	#1877
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Quote: Originally Posted by packages Briefly connected to some 800mhz today, checked the Serving Layer Priority in Field Test Mode where it was 0. First time I've seen that, every other time I've connected to it another place it was set to 4. I have noticed 800 appearing now and again. I also got priority 0. This is clearly the field test not working properly. But something is going on....

07-07-2016, 08:35	#1878
packages Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 879	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke I have noticed 800 appearing now and again. I also got priority 0. This is clearly the field test not working properly. But something is going on.... I actually think Field Test is working correctly (for this anyway). It's probably just at 0 for testing. How long you thinking into they start rolling it out? Another gradual rollout like VoLTE? Thing what worries me is the infographic map which should landmass coverage still not high for end of 2016 where I would have thought that 800 would boost it massively.

07-07-2016, 10:28	#1879
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	I think the 800 switch on will be done in one go, give or a take a few days (depending on how easy it is to do from a network operations centre). I doubt there will be a big song and dance about it, and most people won't know unless they're on here! Until most 2016 and 2015 Android devices are updated to have VoLTE, I can't see EE doing any advertising. It would be mad to promote better indoor coverage, or rural coverage, and have the small print stating it is only available to a small number of handsets. I'd guess they'll start rolling out OTA updates for EE supplied phones, and update generic firmwares where possible (like the S7 getting VoLTE on Three even on SIM free models) and then begin an advertising campaign, where Kevin Bacon will feature in an ad that shows the benefits, and not mentioning VoLTE or 800, just that EE now covers more places. Then the small print can say 'compatible devices only' but with that being a far smaller list than now.

07-07-2016, 22:23	#1880
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Hope 800 will be arriving soon. The coverage really could be rather special if Three's 800MHz is something to go by.

07-07-2016, 22:30	#1881
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris and have the small print stating it is only available to a small number of handsets. You could be right. Or EE have a silly number of iPhone 6 and 6s handsets that are using VoLTE and want to shout about it !! Quote: just that EE now covers more places. Then the small print can say 'compatible devices only' but with that being a far smaller list than now. Maybe they can use the 'smashing down walls' phrase that a purple puppet used, or maybe have Bacon in somewhere like an office toilet cubicle saying '4G now works in here'

07-07-2016, 22:34	#1882
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	I've been using VoLTE for a while now and don't even realise I am anymore. Though I find WiFi call to LTE handoff for calls still fails sometimes.

08-07-2016, 10:14	#1883
Stereo Steve Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,378	Anyone know if EE wifi calling works on Sim only? 30 day / 12 month? Thanks.

08-07-2016, 10:18	#1884
Synthetic42 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,510	Quote: Originally Posted by Stereo Steve Anyone know if EE wifi calling works on Sim only? 30 day / 12 month? Thanks. It does

08-07-2016, 11:41	#1885
Stereo Steve Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,378	Quote: Originally Posted by Synthetic42 It does Cheers.

08-07-2016, 21:24	#1886
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit Hope 800 will be arriving soon. The coverage really could be rather special if Three's 800MHz is something to go by. I agree. 800 Three gives me full bars in my house but EE 1800 gives me a slightly faster (but flaky) 1 bar.

08-07-2016, 22:22	#1887
Skippy2005 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 731	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan I agree. 800 Three gives me full bars in my house but EE 1800 gives me a slightly faster (but flaky) 1 bar. Hey Lucan long time no see, have you not heard anything about EE800, surely your still the man to ask.

08-07-2016, 22:41	#1888
Adamuk Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 130	Regarding wifi and 4G calling, is anybody else still getting an international ringback tone? Surely this needs changing at some point, especially if the service is considered live?

08-07-2016, 23:02	#1889
packages Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 879	Quote: Originally Posted by Adamuk Regarding wifi and 4G calling, is anybody else still getting an international ringback tone? Surely this needs changing at some point, especially if the service is considered live? Yep - they even state this in the 4G & Wifi Calling help pages.

08-07-2016, 23:42	#1890
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	I actually prefer it..

09-07-2016, 13:05	#1891
Adamuk Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 130	People keep asking if I'm abroad when they call! I like to think I'm relatively tech savvy, and don't see how it could be all that difficult to change? Surely it's a localisation setting in the back end, or something? Or maybe that I am doing a lot of very technically skilled people a discredit there, and it's a very complex system!

09-07-2016, 16:23	#1892
Synthetic42 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,510	Quote: Originally Posted by Adamuk People keep asking if I'm abroad when they call! I like to think I'm relatively tech savvy, and don't see how it could be all that difficult to change? Surely it's a localisation setting in the back end, or something? Or maybe that I am doing a lot of very technically skilled people a discredit there, and it's a very complex system! I think it's just how the IMS works, not sure it can be changed

10-07-2016, 11:50	#1893
matty1000kk Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 272	Coverage map updated.

10-07-2016, 12:13	#1894
georgi_prodanov Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 316	Quote: Originally Posted by matty1000kk Coverage map updated. How do you know if map has been updated

10-07-2016, 15:50	#1895
beans0ntoast Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 932	Anyone know what's going to be happening at Thorpe Camp museum, at Tattershall Thorpe, Lincolnshire? EE signal as follows 4G, outdoors -120 dBm, 25% 0 bars. Nothing indoors 3G, outdoors -107 dBm, 10% 1 bar. Nothing indoors. Both are 23430. 2G, EDGE, 23433, outdoors 75%, don't know how many dBm but it's full strength outdoors. Don't know indoors as it was a very rough test, as I will not use 2G Anyone know what will happen? This orange mast needs modernizing as coverage is poor!

10-07-2016, 16:49	#1896
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Cryptic tweet from EE today. Quote: EE (@EE) 10/07/2016, 08:00 Good morning, just finalising some breaking news for Monday, but what could it be? 🤔

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EE 2G/3G/4G Discussion Thread (Part 2)

10-07-2016, 17:15	#1897
beans0ntoast Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 932	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 Cryptic tweet from EE today. Could well be the launch of L08 and/or Volte support on a larger number of devices. Wouldn't it be great if the S4 got Volte? Though if not, will the LG G4 get it? As I already seriously considering going for the G4 in a few months time.

10-07-2016, 17:34	#1898
Toffee-Brann Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 33	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 Cryptic tweet from EE today. Probably be something to do with BT sport being available to EE customers.

10-07-2016, 17:49	#1899
ozz Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rutland Posts: 564	Quote: Originally Posted by beans0ntoast Anyone know what's going to be happening at Thorpe Camp museum, at Tattershall Thorpe, Lincolnshire? EE signal as follows 4G, outdoors -120 dBm, 25% 0 bars. Nothing indoors 3G, outdoors -107 dBm, 10% 1 bar. Nothing indoors. Both are 23430. 2G, EDGE, 23433, outdoors 75%, don't know how many dBm but it's full strength outdoors. Don't know indoors as it was a very rough test, as I will not use 2G Anyone know what will happen? This orange mast needs modernizing as coverage is poor! There are a lot of ex Orange 2G only sites in the area so I imagine infrastructure isn't there yet for 3G/4G. With exception to Kirkby on Bain and Mareham Le Fen MBNL sites, 4G seems to be live on MBNL sites, indeed I uploaded photos over 4G at the Battle Of Britain Memorial museum just fine last year.

10-07-2016, 18:01	#1900
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by ozz There are a lot of ex Orange 2G only sites in the area so I imagine infrastructure isn't there yet for 3G/4G. With exception to Kirkby on Bain and Mareham Le Fen MBNL sites, 4G seems to be live on MBNL sites, indeed I uploaded photos over 4G at the Battle Of Britain Memorial museum just fine last year. If live on the MBNL sites then this is probably waiting on the backhaul and from experience trying to get a circuit (leased line) into a building, this can take from 6 weeks to 2.5 years from original order :-/