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I find it very troubling that people are talking about the removal of 3G, i thought 3G was where its at and should be invested in? As someone else said move some spare 4G spectrum over for capacity 👍
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I find it very troubling that people are talking about the removal of 3G, i thought 3G was where its at and should be invested in? As someone else said move some spare 4G spectrum over for capacity 👍
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I've said before that once all phones have VoLTE (and hopefully many older, popular, models are updated) then you can begin to plan the removal of older devices. I would imagine within 5 years the bulk of old 4G phones won't be in use, even on the second hand market.
Networks can then do various incentives to get people to get rid of their old devices before you have a cut off date, whereby a non VoLTE phone will be restricted from access to 4G and can only use 2G (or 3G if still present). There might be a bit of fuss in the press, but it's doubtful as by then nobody would want to hang on to an old phone anyway. Once only VoLTE phones exist, all barriers to 4G coverage go out the window. Even 2G wouldn't need to be set as fallback, but rather just to provide some service to 2G handset users and M2M devices. |
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Well they do have to worry about all those Galaxy S4 owners who do not want to upgrade
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Well they do have to worry about all those Galaxy S4 owners who do not want to upgrade
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They'll always have 2G
.I did not spend £380 on a phone 2 years ago, for it to end up doing 150kbps and lower quality voice calls!
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How many people still use 2g only?
I know quite a few people that always have there Internet turned off on there phones so end up using 2g only for there calls |
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Which can do sub-par quality calls and 150kbps!
I did not spend £380 on a phone 2 years ago, for it to end up doing 150kbps and lower quality voice calls! ![]() That's why 2G is useful. It might be 20 odd years old and poor by today's standards, but you can call and text over it and even send an iMessage or email over it. It's better than nothing. |
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Which can do sub-par quality calls and 150kbps!
I did not spend £380 on a phone 2 years ago, for it to end up doing 150kbps and lower quality voice calls! ![]() I would refer you to my previous answer but seeing as you clearly can't stand listening to opinions opposing to your own there's no point. Are you sure you aren't Jeremy Corbyn - you seem quite similar. |
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Except by the time it's only doing that 4G1800 will have the same power as 2G hopefully and your S4 will probably be nearly 10 years old. Get used to it it's not all about you and your sodding S4, the network has to be forward looking and decisive or nothing gets done.
I would refer you to my previous answer but seeing as you clearly can't stand listening to opinions opposing to your own there's no point. Are you sure you aren't Jeremy Corbyn - you seem quite similar. |
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I did not spend £380 on a phone 2 years ago, for it to end up doing 150kbps and lower quality voice calls! ![]()
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That's what happens when you buy a discontinued handset
![]() The reason why I went for the S4 was because I couldn't afford the S5 at over £500 and I needed something better than my old crappy ZTE Blade 3 (which has been passed on to other family members). Hopefully one day, I'll be able to get an LG G4, and then shove it on LTE/WCDMA only mode (hopefully the G4 supports VoLTE!). I never want to see GSM ever again! |
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...once all phones have VoLTE (and hopefully many older, popular, models are updated) then you can begin to plan the removal of older devices...
Perhaps this is a sign that EE are moving forwards with updating older handsets? Here is hoping that they update all handsets that should technically support it. |
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How many people still use 2g only?
I know quite a few people that always have there Internet turned off on there phones so end up using 2g only for there calls But it does mean that many phones can achieve far longer times between charging (compared to 3G). I switch when I know I'm going to be in a poor signal area. |
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EE must agree, my Sony z5c received an (overdue) update today. The big change of note is that I now have 4G calling (even though the handset was never advertised as 4G calling compatible, only WiFi calling).
Perhaps this is a sign that EE are moving forwards with updating older handsets? Here is hoping that they update all handsets that should technically support it. |
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Which can do sub-par quality calls and 150kbps!
I did not spend £380 on a phone 2 years ago, for it to end up doing 150kbps and lower quality voice calls! ![]() |
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It wasn't discontinued when I bought it though
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The reason why I went for the S4 was because I couldn't afford the S5 at over £500 and I needed something better than my old crappy ZTE Blade 3
Ah, so you deliberately bought the old model? What's that saying? Buy cheap, buy twice...
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Pretty sure the S4 lasted more than 2 months, it's a 2013 phone lol
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Pretty sure the S4 lasted more than 2 months, it's a 2013 phone lol
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At the risk of poking the bear, by the time this actually becomes an issue your phone will probably be long dead and you'll have upgraded to the Galaxy S7
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Well spotted lol I must've misread.
I don't really understand the drum banging over 3G. Maybe the drum needs taking away....... |
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At the risk of poking the bear, by the time this actually becomes an issue your phone will probably be long dead and you'll have upgraded to the Galaxy S7
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At the risk of poking the bear, by the time this actually becomes an issue your phone will probably be long dead and you'll have upgraded to the Galaxy S7
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First reports of it being discontinued was June 2014, so if you bought it 2 years ago you bought a discontinued handset
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Ah, so you deliberately bought the old model? What's that saying? Buy cheap, buy twice...
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Pretty sure the S4 lasted more than 2 months, it's a 2013 phone lol
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You've got this the wrong way round, it'll be an S2 next. Just for the legacy feeling.
On a more serious note, does the LG G4 support VoLTE? If so, then it may be a good investment, as I know it has service menus that I can use to jam it into LTE/WCDMA, a feature that, if present on the S4, would not make me moan about 2G GSM... |
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Which can do sub-par quality calls and 150kbps!
I did not spend £380 on a phone 2 years ago, for it to end up doing 150kbps and lower quality voice calls! ![]() When such a thing happens you can be sure there will be at least 2, probably 4 years notice. AT&T USA gave over 5 years notice of turning off their 2G, and they are squeezed with spectrum (using 1900mhz for both GSM 2G and WCDMA 3G). I think everyone should stop talking about 3G here; its ruined this thread. |
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Yep pretty much. Got plenty of spectrum for 4G now and can add to that as 2G and 3G get depreciated. The future has got to be VoLTE and cheap 4G based. If EE are still selling 2G and 3G only phones by this time next year I think they'll have cocked it up. They need to shift focus to VoLTE ASAP.
The 95% Geo will most certainly be 4G only, just can't rollout 3G at 2100MHz to that within reasonable financial terms. I hate to say it, and I know that I've been moaning about how 3G should stay, as it is the best of both worlds in terms of data and calls/texts (particularly for non 4G devices etc), but I think you're right. In terms of which technology to cull first, 3G would likely go before 2G (despite 2G being much older), because of the cell breathing issues and the higher frequency, meaning that 3G will never match 2G1800/4G1800 coverage levels (with 4G1800 cranked up). That, and I've heard from people on here that 2G is more power efficient than 3G, so M2M would be better on 2G. Though hopefully, a 3G switch off will be quite a few years away, so that it gives people time to abandon their 2G/3G devices and have devices that are 4G/VoLTE as standard. Then, when virtually no one is using 2G any more, it can go. I know that eventually, we'll end up with an all 4G network, or a 4G/5G network, but it will go 2G/3G/4G -> 2G/4G -> 4G/(5G). And yeah, I was being a bit unrealistic wasn't I, asking for extra 3G capacity in a small village in Lincs, for 2 days - when 4G was working perfectly ok. But hey, at least 3G actually worked this year; last year it was totally kaput! |
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