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#2376 |
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In a phone cradle my phone hung onto a 4G signal and was still able to stream radio at Babingley Bridge which is in that dip.
Historically my phone always used to drop to 2G around Sandringham until I got to the Dersingham roundabout but last week 4G throughout. I'll have to lock my S4 to 4G only when I go along that way next, to see if it can pick up any of it... 4G only should also be more reliable than 3G only, in the long term, because 4G can go right into the -120s dBm (sometimes even -130dBm) and still have a decent download speed, whereas 3G stops at -113dBm and 2G is just unsuitable for streaming any sort of media. |
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#2377 |
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I see you're in Cheshire. I've never encountered that issue on Three in West Cheshire or Merseyside. Also seems fine in North and Mid Wales, Central London, Kent, Edinburgh and Cumbria! They are just the places I've been to recently.
I switched to EE last week and this has become. Regular problem, not good. Quote:
When I've tested both 3 and EE side by side, I've noticed that they are both usable in the vast majority of areas. Sometimes, on 3G, I have noticed Three being faster than EE, but then again, with areas getting EE 4G, EE seems to be the faster option in many areas.
As for your area, sounds like all masts are either on copper backhaul, or on microwave backhaul (with all masts being in a single daisy chain - with the "supply" mast being on copper itself). Some of the older Orange masts tend to have copper backhaul, and hence there is very little throughput. Three have made improvements in this area over the past 12 months but there 800mhz and the priority level they have make it not quite good enough yet.. So I guess I'm stuck Vodafone for another 12 months.. |
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#2378 |
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Been to Looe today. Great 4G there. Single mast covering the whole town although there are others close by. Loads of people there today, it was packed. Speeds were 35 - 90Mbps so great! 1800+800 CA too.
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#2379 |
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...and copper backhaul is unsuitable for 3G, let alone 4G....
Fibre is used as it's generally slightly less expensive at the same speed, reaches higher speeds without aggregation, and more easily upgraded later, but copper is also capable. |
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#2380 |
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I'm not sure how you've reached that conclusion. Copper is easily capable of 155Mbps links and they can be easily aggregated.
Fibre is used as it's generally slightly less expensive at the same speed, reaches higher speeds without aggregation, and more easily upgraded later, but copper is also capable. |
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#2381 |
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Out of interest what is your old phone? More modern than an S4?
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#2382 |
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Just a quick bit of mental arithmetic would say you might be wrong.
IPhone SE is around £15 a month over 24 months for the 16GB, £23 a month for 25GB a month seems cheaper than an EE sim only for that amount of data at present. |
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#2383 |
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New EE sites to support ESN
Map of proposed new EE 4G sites to support forthcoming ESN:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._New_Masts.png Blue dots = Brand new sites, built by EE, that will support both ESN and commercial services. EE will fund, build and operate these sites, most of which will become part of their current core network. Red dots = Extended coverage sites funded and owned by the Home Office. Typically in rural, remote and commercially unviable areas. Primary for ESN but may also provide commercial services. EE will install their equipment and connect to their core network. Green dots = Air-to-ground sites, used for linking ESN to police helicopters, air ambulances, etc. Mostly sharing of existing sites. Note the map does not show existing EE sites which will be upgraded, hence the lack of dots in much of England. Even if only the blue dot sites are opened up for commercial service, then this will represent a significant coverage boost for public EE 4G users, particularly at 800MHz and with VoLTE. |
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Thanks for the share.
I guess that is the map of the 750 new masts EE promised, to bring us to 95% geographic coverage. It's great that we are able to see all this information in the public domain, as it's clear EE actually intend to reach their targets instead of hopelessly overestimating. Coverage in Scotland looks set for a big improvement, Wales not so much unless the red dot sites are opened up for commercial service. Also is there a map for Northern Ireland? |
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#2385 |
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Even if only the blue dot sites are opened up for commercial service, then this will represent a significant coverage boost for public EE 4G users, particularly at 800MHz and with VoLTE.
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#2386 |
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Honor 7. Good phone but just want back to iOS. Ended up using the wife's iPhone 4 most of the holiday.
I can see how you'd wanted to remain on iOS if that's what you've been used to. On an EE related note, I got a message saying that out of bundle items are going up... 50p per minute outside of allowance! How extortionate.... Also MMS will be 50p each... Can't you do the same thing on WhatsApp for 69p a year, or something like that? |
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#2387 |
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Map of proposed new EE 4G sites to support forthcoming ESN:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._New_Masts.png Blue dots = Brand new sites, built by EE, that will support both ESN and commercial services. EE will fund, build and operate these sites, most of which will become part of their current core network. Red dots = Extended coverage sites funded and owned by the Home Office. Typically in rural, remote and commercially unviable areas. Primary for ESN but may also provide commercial services. EE will install their equipment and connect to their core network. Green dots = Air-to-ground sites, used for linking ESN to police helicopters, air ambulances, etc. Mostly sharing of existing sites. Note the map does not show existing EE sites which will be upgraded, hence the lack of dots in much of England. Even if only the blue dot sites are opened up for commercial service, then this will represent a significant coverage boost for public EE 4G users, particularly at 800MHz and with VoLTE.
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#2388 |
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I wonder if the Honor 7 does VoLTE or whether it would be using CSFB for the majority/whole of its lifetime?
I can see how you'd wanted to remain on iOS if that's what you've been used to. On an EE related note, I got a message saying that out of bundle items are going up... 50p per minute outside of allowance! How extortionate.... Also MMS will be 50p each... Can't you do the same thing on WhatsApp for 69p a year, or something like that? Use Whatsapp for most of my texting and now got it on the PC, which is cool. A luddite I am. |
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#2389 |
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I wonder if the Honor 7 does VoLTE or whether it would be using CSFB for the majority/whole of its lifetime?
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On an EE related note, I got a message saying that out of bundle items are going up... 50p per minute outside of allowance! How extortionate.... Considering most plans have unlimited minutes and texts, and no one uses MMS it's not going to worry most users...
Also MMS will be 50p each... Can't you do the same thing on WhatsApp for 69p a year, or something like that? |
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#2390 |
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Are EE not providing Emergency Services network in Northern Ireland?
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Interesting to see that England is already quite well served. Quote:
Are EE not providing Emergency Services network in Northern Ireland?
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Map of proposed new EE 4G sites to support forthcoming ESN
*checks 2G symbol on phone* Oh, hang on....
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#2393 |
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It's great to see that EE have a sufficient existing network of 4G sites in South Cheshire and Shropshire to provide a reliable and fast service.
*checks 2G symbol on phone* Oh, hang on.... ![]() |
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#2394 |
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Lucky if you get any signal in some parts of Wirral. So what's their plan there?
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#2395 |
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Seriously though, looking at Wirral as an example there's no additional sites planned. They're already using 800Mhz for 2G, correct? But there's blackspots. Unless I'm missing something the only other solution is to add more transmitters? Is it possible to increase power? You can ramp up coverage on the Dee side of the peninsula by adding directional panels to blast the signal over the River Dee from Wales but I would have thought they're already doing that. Central Wirral just needs more transmitters though.
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Seriously though, looking at Wirral as an example there's no additional sites planned. They're already using 800Mhz for 2G, correct?
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Seriously though, looking at Wirral as an example there's no additional sites planned. They're already using 800Mhz for 2G, correct? But there's blackspots. Unless I'm missing something the only other solution is to add more transmitters? Is it possible to increase power? You can ramp up coverage on the Dee side of the peninsula by adding directional panels to blast the signal over the River Dee from Wales but I would have thought they're already doing that. Central Wirral just needs more transmitters though.
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#2398 |
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Seriously though, looking at Wirral as an example there's no additional sites planned. They're already using 800Mhz for 2G, correct? But there's blackspots. Unless I'm missing something the only other solution is to add more transmitters? Is it possible to increase power? You can ramp up coverage on the Dee side of the peninsula by adding directional panels to blast the signal over the River Dee from Wales but I would have thought they're already doing that. Central Wirral just needs more transmitters though.
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#2399 |
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Got my SE. It's sexy piece of kit after a year of Android. Oh Yeah. Not quite as lush as the 4S but close. This is the phone I need.
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If I had to guess, I see CSFB in its long term future
![]() Considering most plans have unlimited minutes and texts, and no one uses MMS it's not going to worry most users... 2) I do know of quite a few people who don't use services such as WhatsApp, thus MMS being necessary on some occasions. As for the minutes, I do have unlimited minutes but I hope that the PAYG rate doesn't go up to 50p/min, as that is extortionate and 3 321 would be miles better! |
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