Originally Posted by haphash:
“I don't understand how people can immediately leap to conclusions about her.”
“I don't understand how people can immediately leap to conclusions about her.”
Frustration with the show during the Moffat years?
New Companion Cast
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Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Yeah lets all bloody slag off the mccoy era all over again.
Well at least he had a decent companion in Ace unlike this joke of a companion.”
“Yeah lets all bloody slag off the mccoy era all over again.
Well at least he had a decent companion in Ace unlike this joke of a companion.”
Ace was not a decent companion...not least because she couldn't act ! IMO
Originally Posted by ukgnome:
“WOW just WOW - So many conflicting views, so many bigoted views, and a fair few racist views. Is this what the forum has become?
Let us address the elephant in the room then.
Pearl is a talented actress, now if she doesn't gel with you, if you find her abrasive and annoying then guess what. Yeah, that's right she's done her job. The character Bill is all that. You should be pleased that they have employed someone that is good at their job.
Pearl is a girl. Oh my golly gosh, a girl you say. But girls are not boys, they don't have beards. How can a show I love continue with this female agenda? How can a show choose to feature women in a prominent role? Why oh why oh why oh why from tumbridge wells. Erm, you have watched Doctor Who before right?
Pearl isn't white - that's right, there I have said it, Pearl is in fact green, or is it blue, oh hang on, no, she's black (a term I have never fully understood) Who gives an actual rats ass on that. Unless of course all the stories are going to be between 1640 and 1970 in which case how awkward, but then again maybe that will help educate some of the dumb idiots. Colour of skin is irrelevant, just like opinions on it.
I bet she is gonna be gay \ trans \ into paving slabs \ etc - Imagine having a character that is human, that y'know leads a human life, having human times with other humans (or paving slabs) As long as she is written as a human, and she is in fact a human then so what. Now if she is an alien and likes licking the skin of tomatoes then I for one will be marching on the BBC as I am against the BBC alien tomato licking agenda.
This is the end of the show - No it isn't
I think I have managed to address the elephant, now my opinion.
Finally we have confirmation of a new companion - She reminded me of Ace, just without the nitro9 - I liked Ace, she is my fave companion ever. I want to see more of this big haired motormouth, if she ever revers to the Doctor as Professor I might just squeal.”
“WOW just WOW - So many conflicting views, so many bigoted views, and a fair few racist views. Is this what the forum has become?
Let us address the elephant in the room then.
Pearl is a talented actress, now if she doesn't gel with you, if you find her abrasive and annoying then guess what. Yeah, that's right she's done her job. The character Bill is all that. You should be pleased that they have employed someone that is good at their job.
Pearl is a girl. Oh my golly gosh, a girl you say. But girls are not boys, they don't have beards. How can a show I love continue with this female agenda? How can a show choose to feature women in a prominent role? Why oh why oh why oh why from tumbridge wells. Erm, you have watched Doctor Who before right?
Pearl isn't white - that's right, there I have said it, Pearl is in fact green, or is it blue, oh hang on, no, she's black (a term I have never fully understood) Who gives an actual rats ass on that. Unless of course all the stories are going to be between 1640 and 1970 in which case how awkward, but then again maybe that will help educate some of the dumb idiots. Colour of skin is irrelevant, just like opinions on it.
I bet she is gonna be gay \ trans \ into paving slabs \ etc - Imagine having a character that is human, that y'know leads a human life, having human times with other humans (or paving slabs) As long as she is written as a human, and she is in fact a human then so what. Now if she is an alien and likes licking the skin of tomatoes then I for one will be marching on the BBC as I am against the BBC alien tomato licking agenda.
This is the end of the show - No it isn't
I think I have managed to address the elephant, now my opinion.
Finally we have confirmation of a new companion - She reminded me of Ace, just without the nitro9 - I liked Ace, she is my fave companion ever. I want to see more of this big haired motormouth, if she ever revers to the Doctor as Professor I might just squeal.”
Says who ? I've never heard of her or seen her in anything. Now I'm not saying don't give the girl a chance but on what has been seen so far of her, it's put me right off her character.
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“Frustration with the show during the Moffat years?”
“Frustration with the show during the Moffat years?”
RTD fanboi.
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“RTD fanboi.”
“RTD fanboi.
”
Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
Yeah those swindling magazines p*ss me off too...
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Doctor Who Magazine have said the same, it is a clip from an actual episode.”
“Doctor Who Magazine have said the same, it is a clip from an actual episode.”
oh god. i hope not
as i said previously in the thread i have no issue with the new companion and its impossible to judge her from that 'clip', however the clip itself was awful and cringe. thought doctor who was past that now 
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
What's your favourite era, IB? Genuinely interested.
Apropos nothing, I find the ratings stuff q interesting, and my favourite random figure is Power of Kroll ep 1: 6.5m. ep 2: 12.4m. Now I like the story more than most, I think, but WTF?! Was the word of mouth that good???
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“I loved McCoy's second and third seasons... a huge improvement over what had come those few years prior, and I think it's a shame they get the same wrap as The Twin Dilemma through to Season 24.
The decline and death of DW in the late 80's is basically the go-to comparison when people want to try and make a point of how bad a state the show is in, when truthfully speaking it's nowhere near that battered and beaten in terms of commercial success.”
“I loved McCoy's second and third seasons... a huge improvement over what had come those few years prior, and I think it's a shame they get the same wrap as The Twin Dilemma through to Season 24.
The decline and death of DW in the late 80's is basically the go-to comparison when people want to try and make a point of how bad a state the show is in, when truthfully speaking it's nowhere near that battered and beaten in terms of commercial success.”
The 1990 series had it been made for McCoy's final year could have been really good had Grade not ****** it up.
Originally Posted by eggshell:
“Ace was not a decent companion...not least because she couldn't act ! IMO”
“Ace was not a decent companion...not least because she couldn't act ! IMO”
Goes to show what you know. She was one of the most popular companions ever.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Goes to show what you know. She was one of the most popular companions ever.”
“Goes to show what you know. She was one of the most popular companions ever.”
I like Ace, and Seasons 25 and 26, generally, but what criteria do you use? Polls? Ratings? It's so subjective. Is she really one of the most popular companions ever? How does one judge such a thing?
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Goes to show what you know. She was one of the most popular companions ever.”
“Goes to show what you know. She was one of the most popular companions ever.”
Ask the fabled Great British Public who is their favourite from the classic series and very few will say Ace. Amongst fans she's well liked, partly because Sophie Aldred was / is so great with fans, but Ace is not that well remembered outside of fan circles. Sarah, Jo, K9, yes, but Ace, really not so much.
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
Rose Tyler: Earth Defence?
Originally Posted by haphash:
“It really doesn't matter what colour she is though as long as she's not a controlling know all like Clara who is more important than the doctor. I just hope that she has some humour and fun about her.”
“It really doesn't matter what colour she is though as long as she's not a controlling know all like Clara who is more important than the doctor. I just hope that she has some humour and fun about her.”
Amen, Amen and Amen.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“The 1990 series had it been made for McCoy's final year could have been really good had Grade not ****** it up.”
“The 1990 series had it been made for McCoy's final year could have been really good had Grade not ****** it up.”
Grade left by 1989. It was Jonathon Powell who cancelled the show.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Grade left by 1989. It was Jonathon Powell who cancelled the show.”
“Grade left by 1989. It was Jonathon Powell who cancelled the show.”
Quite right. Grade left at the end of 1987 and was at Channel 4 by early 1988. The 1989 dropping of Doctor Who had nothing to with Michael Grade.
Originally Posted by andy1231:
“Says who ? I've never heard of her or seen her in anything. Now I'm not saying don't give the girl a chance but on what has been seen so far of her, it's put me right off her character.”
“Says who ? I've never heard of her or seen her in anything. Now I'm not saying don't give the girl a chance but on what has been seen so far of her, it's put me right off her character.”
Listen to yourself for a second. Have you any idea what an absolute twerp you sound like?
Google her, visit her website, watch her in Svengali - What you have done is fallen into the typical trap of assuming that Bill is Pearl and Pearl is Bill.
This is actually a good thing as it clearly shows she can act.
Personally I have never heard of you, or seen your critique in any magazine, now I am not saying don't give this boy a chance but on what has been read so far of him, it's put me right off his character
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
“Not my favourite era, sorry.
Mind you, his show didn't lose 1.5M on 7-day figures plus iPlayer, and often get fewer than 3M live viewers. Not to mention multiple cancelled repeat showings, dwindling magazine circulations, cancelled spin-off shows etc...”
Have you ever missed an opportunity to push your opinion?
The things you mention have contexts that a reasonable interpretation would take into account. There are things you don't mention that support an alternative, more positive interpretation.
Those who aren't enjoying the show at the moment will tend to assign more significance to stats that indicate a decline in popularity because they believe that supports their subjective opinion that there's also been a decline in quality. They downplay or ignore those facts that show there are other factors that also contribute to the decline in viewing figures.
Those who are enjoying the show currently will tend to do the opposite.
It's a completely false argument in both cases. Popularity is not the same thing as quality or even a reliable indicator of quality. Opinions on quality are subjective and personal. So many people seem to confuse opinion with fact and can't understand how others could possibly hold a different opinion.
The truth lies somewhere in between the extremes with a balanced interpretation of all the available facts. i.e. Yes there are and have been production issues. No, the series is not in imminent danger of cancellation.
Originally Posted by Yoshi Fan:
“Seemed a bit too chavvy for my liking.”
“Seemed a bit too chavvy for my liking.”
There have been a number of posts along these lines, but Capaldi had already gone on record as saying he wanted a working-class companion like Rose.
Originally Posted by haphash:
“It's not a surprise to me that they have chosen a black actress although I did think it was probably time that they had an Asian companion.”
“It's not a surprise to me that they have chosen a black actress although I did think it was probably time that they had an Asian companion.”
There have been a number of posts along these lines too. Quite apart from the question of relevance (which has already been done to death), there is a wide variety of mixed-race people, where one of the races is African, who are all lumped together as "black". I don't know what Pearl's ethnicity is, but Freema Agyeman is half African and half Asian.
Now then, here's a quote from the Telegraph:
Unlike previous incumbent Clara Oswald, whose Impossible Girl status meant she had prior knowledge of the Time Lord, Capaldi says "now we have someone who knows very little about the Doctor”.
What's that all about? The Impossible Girl had met the Doctor earlier in his timeline, but the first time Clara met him in her timeline was when the woman in the shop gave her the Tardis' phone number as a help line.
Am I wrong or are they wrong?
I think he just means that when his Doctor first met Clara she already knew the Doctor, so he didn't get the opportunity to play the Doctor opposite a new companion who's experiencing the Doctor for the first time.
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“Plus the set looked incredibly cheap and nasty even by DW standards.”
“Plus the set looked incredibly cheap and nasty even by DW standards.”
Incredibly cheap ---- no it didn't
Nasty ------- strange word
Doctor who standards ------ er have you seen the size of the budget and have you seen any episodes in the past 11 years?
Originally Posted by adams66:
“I wonder if what we saw yesterday was actually an audition piece?
It's the sort of thing that might easily have been written to test various possible new actors.”
“I wonder if what we saw yesterday was actually an audition piece?
It's the sort of thing that might easily have been written to test various possible new actors.”
Good call adams66:
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-...fresh-and-new/
The article also seems to indicate that the scene was shot especially rather than being part of the next series.
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“Good call adams66:
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-...fresh-and-new/
The article also seems to indicate that the scene was shot especially rather than being part of the next series.”
“Good call adams66:
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-...fresh-and-new/
The article also seems to indicate that the scene was shot especially rather than being part of the next series.”
Hey, I got it right!!
There was something about that scene that indicated to me that it would be perfect for comparing contrasting potential actors. Asking the questions, being sassy, listening to the Doctor etc. It just seemed like an audition piece. Nice to be right for change!
And 50 actors auditioned. That seems like a lot to me. I know some of the 21st Century Who companions like Rose or Donna were written with specific actors in mind. But I wonder how many auditioned for Amy, or Clara?
I've never heard of Pearl but I was impressed with what I saw it's been a while since we were introduced to a companion that's never heard of the Doctor or anything in his world. I can imagine the scene is just an audition piece so it's probably not going to be part of the next series but I will be looking forward to it. I wonder if this means that this years Christmas special will just be a solo outing for the Doctor then.
Originally Posted by wollygobble:
“he wanted a working-class companion like Rose.”
“he wanted a working-class companion like Rose.”
Why?Her character made it all about hr, her, her. I was glad when she left.
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