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No doubt the BBC are looking to replace Bake Off with something else, and may well be keeping an eye on the likes of Selasi. He would be fab.
I wonder how, legally, you can decide whether a new show is a copy of an old show. What makes a baking competition a copy or just another cooking competition? |
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No doubt the BBC are looking to replace Bake Off with something else, and may well be keeping an eye on the likes of Selasi. He would be fab.
I wonder how, legally, you can decide whether a new show is a copy of an old show. What makes a baking competition a copy or just another cooking competition? I wonder how much of TGBB's current format is a result of the BBC's input (for example, perhaps the use of a tent in the grounds of a country house or the sketchbook were suggestions of the BBC). Presumably, Love Productions could only sue for parts of the original format 'owned' by them? |
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I suppose it's assessed on how close the individual elements of a show are identical to another show. TGBB is very distinctive in its different elements (Technical Challenge, Showstopper, Star Baker, tent, sketchbook of bakes, etc. etc.).
I wonder how much of TGBB's current format is a result of the BBC's input (for example, perhaps the use of a tent in the grounds of a country house or the sketchbook were suggestions of the BBC). Presumably, Love Productions could only sue for parts of the original format 'owned' by them? I cant believe Love would have made the mistake of not tying the intellectual property down very clearly. In fact they must have done as they got compensation when the BBC copied the format for Hair. And that wasn't in a tent! |
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Maybe BBC should try something completely different and fresh. There's enough spin offs and knock offs on TV as it is, cannibalising each other. GBBO is unique, try something unique again. Or spend the saved money on something you struggled to get a budget for. If the show on C4 is any good, it will satisfy my baking needs fully
![]() As for Wednesday I thought the right person went, despite the cute pink little fan and all. And Candice had finally run out of new lipsticks, she's back to the dark one
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Ownership of copyright is in the contract and it is of no consequence if the format has changed over the years. If Love own the copyright then they own all of it. If BBC have worked with them to tweak the format over the years they would only have a share of the copyright if the contract says so.
I cant believe Love would have made the mistake of not tying the intellectual property down very clearly. In fact they must have done as they got compensation when the BBC copied the format for Hair. And that wasn't in a tent! Various legal opinions have been given on what the BBC could and could not do with a new baking show, but nothing definitive as it's not been tested in court. They'd have to try something and see if Love sued. |
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It would be great if the BBC could produce a show with Selasi as the stand in for Paul Hollywood with Mary as the other judge and Mel and Sue as the presenters they would have to call the competition something else other then Bake off, and the rights are with Love Productions for that. But instead of having a plain same old cookery show with professional chefs like all the other shows presently (they don't seem to be fighting over copyright though its the same idea again and again). So perhaps it is possible to do it with Amatuer bakers and Love productions not winning a court case against the BBC over the matter.
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Not strictly true. They agreed an out of court settlement to avoid costly legal fees. As the premise had not been tested in court, it could have been very expensive for one side. The BBC decided not to risk it. They did the same with the painting challenge programme as well.
Various legal opinions have been given on what the BBC could and could not do with a new baking show, but nothing definitive as it's not been tested in court. They'd have to try something and see if Love sued. |
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As Love have very publicly become cash rich I seriously doubt the BBC would risk it. Not to mention stealing copyright is theft. Despite the input from the BBC, Love will have ploughed a lot of their own money into the making of this fabulous program and they quite rightly own the rights to it.
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There have been a number of legal experts questioning whether 'intellectual property rights' would stand up in court. Obviously easy to register the name of a programme but much difficult to protect the concept of a programme. The marquee might be risky to use but two judges, two presenters, about a dozen competitors on workbenches and a series of different tests, is hardly unique.
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There have been a number of legal experts questioning whether 'intellectual property rights' would stand up in court. Obviously easy to register the name of a programme but much difficult to protect the concept of a programme. The marquee might be risky to use but two judges, two presenters, about a dozen competitors on workbenches and a series of different tests, is hardly unique.
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The copyright/intellectual property will be very much written down in the contract. It is a very tricky area but it is possible to define the elements which are included in the intellectual property and any business worth it's salt will have that very much written down as clearly as possible. There are lots of elements which combine to make the programme and these will all be listed out. It is not very easy to copy something so high profile and I suspect the reason the BBC paid up over Hair is they were not at all confident they would win and the publicity around losing the verdict would have been awful - big bully BBC knocking a small company and trying to steal their assets.
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Not to mention stealing copyright is theft.
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But it is only a variant on the various cooking programmes, sure if they made as a Masterchef spin off then it would be difficult for love to say that they could not do a Masterchef involving baking. Even big American corporations would be unlikely to claim they 'owned' something like baking.
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is not sufficient to protect BBC from law suits which, even if successfully defended, could damage their reputation and those all important foreign sales.[/quote]
I think it's fair to say any such action would damage their domestic reputation, I honestly cant imagine that many buyers for foreign networks giving a damn. |
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Just an aside, is it just me or are all the Team GB female cyclists rather attractive?
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The Chinese woman on the Extra Slice panel tells it straight.
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The Chinese woman on the Extra Slice panel tells it straight.
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I like Andrew and Benjamina, hope they both carry on to do well.
Of course I like the others as well. Not so much Candace who initially I did like a lot. |
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I am a little bit 'meh' about Andrew,,, his desperation to be Star Baker irritated me. I liked Tom and I hope Benjamina finishes strongly... and of course I have joined the cult of Selasie! That guy is such a dude!
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I hope Benjamina doesn't do a Richard Burr by getting all the way to the final solidly....and then cocking it up
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I hope Benjamina doesn't do a Richard Burr by getting all the way to the final solidly....and then cocking it up
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As lovely as Selasi is he isn't judge material imho. It needs somebody with some professional technical gravitas.
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Agreed, they'd need another master baker.
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I just thought he meant 'At last!' as in 'I've been trying to win Star Baker for weeks, at last I did it'.
Not that keen on Andrew, but surely they all want to win Star Baker?
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I hope Benjamina doesn't do a Richard Burr by getting all the way to the final solidly....and then cocking it up
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