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Old 27-10-2016, 11:26
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Didn't see the interview to be fair but Jane's comments could be taken two ways.

a) That Candice was clearly so much better but the editing made it look more equal for dramatic effect

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b) Candice was the production team and/or the judges favourite for reasons other than cooking and Jane and Andrew were never going to get a look in.
I think it was the level of detail in her work, particularly the Showstopper. And of course they have the advantage over of us that they would have tasted it. They would not have seen the edited version until last night so would not have been influenced by the way she was supposedly favoured by the production team, I suspect that was done retrospectively because they would know who had won when the whole series was edited.
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:30
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I was slightly surprised that more wasn't made of Candice's tarts. To me, that pastry wasn't simply "a bit dark" - it was plain burnt.
She did acknowledge there had been a problem at the time and the other two each had problems with several items. Perhaps better to have a bit slightly burnt than uncooked pastry?
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:31
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Yay Candice, a worthy winner. It was a close run thing going into the showstopper but Andrew and Jane had mishaps that allowed Candice through to take the trophy, I thought she might have blown it when her pastry caught but it was the lesser of the mistakes. Overall I think she deserved it as she always did more than she needed to, took risks, and challenged herself more. I could never understand all the negativity on here towards her, I think they have been a likeable bunch this year. So sad that's the end of the GBBO as we know it. I expect Channel 4 to make a mess of it and end up having bought a dud.
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:33
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I'm delighted Candice won. I find it odd that people are saying she looked smug: to me she always looked rather insecure, twitchy and anxious to please (not unreasonable in a popular, nationally televised baking competition).

Equally her response to winning seemed genuine too. How strange to declare that she 'deserves an Oscar' because of her acting: why on earth would she even bother to put on such a hugely emotional act when it is of no benefit to her at all? Somebody in control of their emotions would have been more likely to say how delighted they were and then spend a few minutes praising up the other finalists and the show generally to come across as nice and improve their chances of getting a Nadiya-style show. (And NO, I'm not suggesting that's what Nadiya did - I think she was a charming and deserving winner, too.)

From the start, I've thought Candice came across as a real insecure trier, who never took the easy option. Her reaction at the final has done nothing to change my view and I'm absolutely delighted for her.
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:34
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IIrc, none of the finalists managed to make their scones taste of cheese. She was the only finalist who managed to deliver sausage rolls that were cooked through - the piggy decoration was just the bonus. It was probably close but Candace was a good and worthy winner.

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The showstopper picnic wasn't as spectacular or memorable for the viewer as one major extravagant cake (for eg) but I think it was a much fairer test for the finalists as it ticked a number of processes and techniques - not least time management. And they all ended up with lots of things I really wanted to eat.

I'm sorry it's ended but perhaps best to go out while it is still at the top of its game. I will watch it on C4 but I don't expect it to be Bake Off and I don't expect to be as determined to catch every episode as I have been since BBC series 1. I am not anti-C4 and watch a lot of their programming but eventually I am (unfortunately) totally confident that C4 will turn it into a parody because that's what they do with all their reality shows eventually.

RIP Bake Off.
The big extravagant cakes in the final seem to end up more of an engineering or constructional challenge (and often fail!). Several smaller items was more of a test of baking and planning.
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:39
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If you'd seen / heard the interview, you'd know that Jane's comments couldn't be taken in two ways at all - she indicated that as they were actually in the tent for the final 48 hours, they could see that Candace was surpassing their efforts.

It will be made to look a much closer competition in the edit for the tv show because the production team will want to keep the who will it be ??? tension till the end. But she indicated that to her and Andrew, the winner was obvious...

The technical is a much shorter test, though so wouldn't lend itself to the variety of items in the same way. The showstopper is 5 hours for a reason.
I think Andrew and Jane turned to each other and said, or mouthed, that Candice had won as soon as they finished the Showstopper (or might have been after the tasting by Mary and Paul). They were actually there and knew straight away.
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:42
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I'm always amazed at some of the results...... someone that the producers/ judges don't want to do well seems to do very well in the technical bake where the judges don't know who has cooked what - but when the judges know who has made the others things, their own personal preferences come into play.

I think they should judge ALL of the rounds blind - I'm pretty sure there would be some interesting results if the judges had to treat all of them equally!

How could Jane say that it was clear Candice was running away with the final...... there obviously wasn't much to choose between the meringue crowns - both she and Candice got handshakes (in fact Jane's was a double), and Jane won the technical by a mile!

As has been said above, she and Andrews mistakes on the picnic were pointed out - but Candices burnt pastry was ignored.....
I suspect that after the few first few weeks, Mary and Paul can tell which baker did each one just by looking at them. They will have got used to their styles. They would certainly have known which was done by Candice last night from a quick look.
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:48
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I'm delighted Candice won. I find it odd that people are saying she looked smug: to me she always looked rather insecure, twitchy and anxious to please (not unreasonable in a popular, nationally televised baking competition).

Equally her response to winning seemed genuine too. How strange to declare that she 'deserves an Oscar' because of her acting: why on earth would she even bother to put on such a hugely emotional act when it is of no benefit to her at all? Somebody in control of their emotions would have been more likely to say how delighted they were and then spend a few minutes praising up the other finalists and the show generally to come across as nice and improve their chances of getting a Nadiya-style show. (And NO, I'm not suggesting that's what Nadiya did - I think she was a charming and deserving winner, too.)

From the start, I've though Candice came across as a real insecure trier, who never took the easy option. Her reaction at the final has done nothing to change my view and I'm absolutely delighted for her.
A clip of an interview with Chris Evans was played on the news, she admits to being very insecure. Some people often misinterpret it when someone is insecure and very self-critical. The same happened with Ruby where every reaction from her was used against her by some people.
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Old 27-10-2016, 11:58
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A clip of an interview with Chris Evans was played on the news, she admits to being very insecure. Some people often misinterpret it when someone is insecure and very self-critical. The same happened with Ruby where every reaction from her was used against her by some people.
I'm not saying she isn't insecure but even a secure person will say they're insecure to appear modest.
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Old 27-10-2016, 12:00
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So out of curiosity, why is it fine then to dislike Candice ? And why would viewers be jealous of someone they don't even know personally ? Signs of immaturity and insecurity in those viewers is all I can think. All three were lovely Bake Off finalists, and Candice was a worthy winner. All that seemed to be wrong with her showstopper was the lack of cheese flavour in her scones. Well done to her and all of them.
One can often dislike somebody for no rational reason. I don't think it's immature or insecure, it just happens.
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Old 27-10-2016, 12:03
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The over acting when she won last night was laughable, even my husband who doesn't really watch it, laughed. He said she deserved an Oscar.
Since he noticed it she didn't
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Old 27-10-2016, 12:33
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Candice the worthy winner, no doubt about it, especially after Andrew and Jane had obvious calamities with their showstoppers.

Deserved - well done - but I still can't warm to her.
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Old 27-10-2016, 12:52
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It was clear to anyone with half a brain that Candice had won, she was clearly the best over the final 3 tasks.
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Old 27-10-2016, 13:27
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Showstopper in the final.

I am of the firm opinion that when someone has managed to get through all the rounds then the final showstopper should be an opportunity for them to show off their skills rather than be under such time pressure they cannot produce a perfect result.

For the final have the first two rounds the same but on the final day they get 8 hours to produce a bloody brilliant cake along a theme. Give them enough time to bake it, cool it and then decorate it.

We want to see something amazing - not a hodge podge thrown together because they ran out of time.

Sad to see this finish in it's current format but I am hopeful Channel 4 will do well with it. I like quite a lot of their shows and I am sure they are not blind to what the viewers are saying. If it has the gentle humour of gogglebox they wont go far wrong.

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Old 27-10-2016, 13:37
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I was interested to hear Matthew Wright saying that his friend's daughter is taught PE by Candice and the school had mixed emotions, wanting her to do well bu desperately hoping they don't lose her.
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Old 27-10-2016, 14:07
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We want to see something amazing - not a hodge podge thrown together because they ran out of time.
This reminded me of something that I don't think the BBC ever got right, and that's the 'synchronisation' of the editing with the time-checks that Mel n' Sue give out. You'll hear one of them shout, usually with a lame joke, '10 minutes to go', and everyone is seemingly only just starting to assemble their four tier cakes, or just starting to ice twenty-four cup-cakes or something. No doubt there's the occassional time when a baker is so far behind that that probably does happen, but not the majority of bakers several times each episode. I accept it probably makes for a more dramatic show, but I don't believe it really goes down to the wire as frequently as they'd have us believe.

It was especially obvious in the technical. There was a 'thirty-minutes left' announcement and all three contestants were shown only then to be taking their Victoria sponges out the oven. How is that even possible? For starters, that implies it took these highly accomplished bakers about an hour and ten minutes or so to get a simple sponge in the oven. Also, unless they've got blast chillers or something, I can't see how the sponges would cool down sufficiently to be able to add a nice, piped layer of cream even by twenty-five of that thirty minutes later. I'd rather have accuracy over drama any day.
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Old 27-10-2016, 14:18
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It was very tight though. In the end it seemed all to come down to who baked their ruff puff correctly and who didn't.

Anyway Candice was the right choice I feel. Hopefully she will get some self confidence out of it.
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Old 27-10-2016, 14:19
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Candice the worthy winner, no doubt about it, especially after Andrew and Jane had obvious calamities with their showstoppers.

Deserved - well done - but I still can't warm to her.
Over the series she was arguably the most consistent, she won Star Baker three times if I remember correctly, and based on the three tests last night she produced the best results. Joint first in the 'Signature Challenge', second in the 'Technical Challenge', and the fewest faults in the 'Showstopper Challenge'.

So I agree she fully deserved to win but, like you, I also couldn't warm to her but that could be down to how she came across because of her confidence issues.

I think when she was announced as the winner was more representative of the 'real' Candice, which never really came across during the series.
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Old 27-10-2016, 14:44
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I'm delighted Candice won. I find it odd that people are saying she looked smug: to me she always looked rather insecure, twitchy and anxious to please (not unreasonable in a popular, nationally televised baking competition).

Equally her response to winning seemed genuine too. How strange to declare that she 'deserves an Oscar' because of her acting: why on earth would she even bother to put on such a hugely emotional act when it is of no benefit to her at all? Somebody in control of their emotions would have been more likely to say how delighted they were and then spend a few minutes praising up the other finalists and the show generally to come across as nice and improve their chances of getting a Nadiya-style show. (And NO, I'm not suggesting that's what Nadiya did - I think she was a charming and deserving winner, too.)

From the start, I've thought Candice came across as a real insecure trier, who never took the easy option. Her reaction at the final has done nothing to change my view and I'm absolutely delighted for her.
I guess people see things differently. I saw her as smug and false. Every time she won star baker it was "like oh really, little me?" when her face seemed to be saying "of course it was me".

I felt she put on that shocked act when told she had won to pretend she didn't think for a second she had. Although I didn't like her she did deserve to win if only because the other 2 messed up. She was there, she knew that, so it was pretty obvious she was going to win. There is no way it was a surprise.

Recently I was with about 25 family and friends of which 23 watch Bake Off. We got talking about it and 22 of them said they could not stand Candice and really hoped she wouldn't win. Their main reason for disliking her was that they thought she was false. So I am not the only one that felt that way. Look at the comments on any forum about Bake Off to see how unpopular she was
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Old 27-10-2016, 14:48
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A clip of an interview with Chris Evans was played on the news, she admits to being very insecure. Some people often misinterpret it when someone is insecure and very self-critical. The same happened with Ruby where every reaction from her was used against her by some people.
Oh Lord!! Ruby insecure? With all the insults and sarcasm she deals out ...I think not!!
Ruby is pretty sure of herself, sure enough to criticize the show and the presenters. When she made those comments about Paul recently she was extremely rude and if you read her Twitter (and her 'I did it for you lot and now I'll be in trouble' type comments) she left you in no doubt that she was just trying to stir and be clever.
No way is Ruby insecure.
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Old 27-10-2016, 15:08
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Oh Lord!! Ruby insecure? With all the insults and sarcasm she deals out ...I think not!!
Ruby is pretty sure of herself, sure enough to criticize the show and the presenters. When she made those comments about Paul recently she was extremely rude and if you read her Twitter (and her 'I did it for you lot and now I'll be in trouble' type comments) she left you in no doubt that she was just trying to stir and be clever.
No way is Ruby insecure.
I think lundavra probably meant during the series she was in, not necessarily in the years since. I've recently been watching Ruby's series on Good Food (I think) and by God she's annoying. Every bake she presents she practically apologises for how crap it is. Everytime Paul or Mary give the slightest criticism, she's all 'I know, I know, I'm so sorry'. She walks up to present her show-stoppers like she's a dead woman walking. After a while, it really irritates. I've no idea whether it was put on, but she certainly acted like she had a serious self-confidence issue and/ or inferiority complex at the time.
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Old 27-10-2016, 15:52
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I think lundavra probably meant during the series she was in, not necessarily in the years since. I've recently been watching Ruby's series on Good Food (I think) and by God she's annoying. Every bake she presents she practically apologises for how crap it is. Everytime Paul or Mary give the slightest criticism, she's all 'I know, I know, I'm so sorry'. She walks up to present her show-stoppers like she's a dead woman walking. After a while, it really irritates. I've no idea whether it was put on, but she certainly acted like she had a serious self-confidence issue and/ or inferiority complex at the time.
Ruby has shaved off her hair
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Old 27-10-2016, 15:54
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Candice the worthy winner, no doubt about it, especially after Andrew and Jane had obvious calamities with their showstoppers.

Deserved - well done - but I still can't warm to her.
I think it is a comparative thing. In this series she was up against a lot of contestants that people found easier to warm to. In another series she could have been up against some right smug horrors making her look like Pollyanna.

At the start of the series I didn't like Jane much but then she grew on me a lot, I wonder if the editing was deliberate that way? Andrew I always had a soft spot for not least because I have a red haired son his age who happens to be an engineer! There is nothing wrong with Candice in my opinion I just liked the others better as personalities.
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Old 27-10-2016, 19:01
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Old 27-10-2016, 19:22
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It was very tight though. In the end it seemed all to come down to who baked their ruff puff correctly and who didn't.

Anyway Candice was the right choice I feel. Hopefully she will get some self confidence out of it.
She's a secondary school PE teacher, and people don't generally realise that a lot of teachers are insecure and when teaching they're putting on an act. You can't be yourself in front of a class of 20 or 25 teenagers. If you did your class would out of control - you're not their friend.
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