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Old 12-09-2016, 18:50
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Absolutely dreaful news, I wont watch it with advert breaks, the programme content will be cut down to abotu forty minutes and all those breaks just ruin the continuity, it has been such a successful programme, the production comapny are silly to spoil it, what a terrible shame, one of my favourite programmes
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Old 12-09-2016, 18:51
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Yep ruined - it had a good run I suppose
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Old 12-09-2016, 18:52
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I've been reminded that Murdoch bought a controlling share in Love Productions a while ago - you've got to think that his influence is all over the statement about breaking of negotiations. To me if feels that this was more about destroying the BBC's golden child, than securing any kind of future for the show. It will be fascinating to see how this shakes down, in the end, and how the production company tries to spin it, when they accept one of the huge money offers they already have from a commercial broadcaster.
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Old 12-09-2016, 18:53
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From Love's statement:

"This has never been about who might write the biggest cheque, but about where we can find the best home for Bake Off.

...nor were the BBC able to provide the necessary comfort for the future protection of such a distinctive and much-loved television series..."

I don't even know what that last part means, but I'm quite certain that this did end up being about who had the deepest pockets, because the BBC has done nothing but nurture and protect that GBBO brand. They've basically killed the golden goose with a grasping demand for more and more money. There's no way Mary goes to ITV or Sky, although I'd put a tiny question mark against Hollywood, as he could have been swayed by the big pay packet - and LP may have been convinced that Paul alone was enough to secure the GBBO on another channel. I really do hope that Mel and Sue hold firm to their previous stated principles, and don't go with the show across to another channel.

I've very cross and upset that this will be the final year I will enjoy this show. This was, hands down, my favourite show on TV.
Of course it's about money .

Love Productions now owned by Sky since 2014 with a 70% stake
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Old 12-09-2016, 18:54
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The big question is whether the judges and presenters will stick to their previous promise not to move from the BBC? If they are have been correctly quoted in the past then I can see them losing a lot of credibility if they 'follow the money'.
It's so tricky because on the one hand you would think they'd naturally want to move with the show. But on the other they may have BBC contracts. And what if Mary for example decides it's time to step aside and let someone else judge. She may see this as her natural point to walk away whilst the show is on a high.
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Old 12-09-2016, 18:59
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So that's Ant and Dec, plus Simon Cowell and that old Osbourne hag taking over. Less baking more singing.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:02
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It's so tricky because on the one hand you would think they'd naturally want to move with the show. But on the other they may have BBC contracts. And what if Mary for example decides it's time to step aside and let someone else judge. She may see this as her natural point to walk away whilst the show is on a high.
Indeed.
The problem is GBBO is a VERY specific formula, as the various attempts to ape it's success (by both the BBC and ITV) have shown - some of them have been.. half decent but none had that bit of TV magic.

If ANY component of GBBO - style, playbook, hosts, humour - gets lost in the translation to another broadcaster, the show will wither.

To use a football analogy which I suspect most people in here won't understand, GBBO is the Leicester City of television. Initially unfancied and considers merely an also-ran, a particular special combination (that came about at least partly through luck) led it to perform wonders beyond anyone's expectations. However, with even one piece out of the whole jigsaw missing, it becomes very hard to continue that 'over performance'.

Unless they literally pick GBBO up lock, stock and barrel and drop it on another channel it will struggle to maintain it's appeal. And I suspect Mary at least has no need and no inclination to appear on commercial TV, especially if/when (let's be honest it's when) commercial sponsorship of the show starts to clash with her own interests. Do you think Mary or Paul would move to ITV if their contract said " We are now sponsored by Dr. Oetker, so you have to use their products in any cookbook you publish while the contract runs'? I'd imagine both of them would turn round and walk out on the spot.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:04
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It's so tricky because on the one hand you would think they'd naturally want to move with the show. But on the other they may have BBC contracts. And what if Mary for example decides it's time to step aside and let someone else judge. She may see this as her natural point to walk away whilst the show is on a high.
I suspect Mary's age may be a factor in her deciding that she sticks to her guns about being BBC only.

Mel and Sue have worked across most of the main channels in their careers, so it wouldn't be beyond imagination to see them working for a commercial channel. However, I'd hope the BBC finds them a great vehicle for their talents. They're perfect light entertainment host and, apart from anything, I miss Late Lunch massively! Find them a primetime show like that, and I'd watch. I just don't want to have to watch them selling competition hotlines, namedropping kitchenware brands, and basically being turned into corporate shills, trying to get hashtags trending!
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:04
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The BBC will come up with another format , plus we still have Sewing Bee, Throw Down, Masterchef etc. Bake Off has had a good run, but, it will be good to invest the money in a new format. It would surprise me if Paul & Mary move, they make plenty of money out of their association with the BBC, and the individual cookery shows they have.

It's sad, but a great opportunity for something new
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:04
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What's to stop the BBC producing a similar (but not identical) show in-house?

Obviously it couldn't be too similar (so no more "signature", "technical" and "showstopper" and they probably couldn't do it in a tent) but there must be loads of different ways of producing a baking competition, none of which would infringe on Love Productions' rights.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:13
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Absolutely dreaful news, I wont watch it with advert breaks, the programme content will be cut down to abotu forty minutes and all those breaks just ruin the continuity, it has been such a successful programme, the production comapny are silly to spoil it, what a terrible shame, one of my favourite programmes
And don't forget the promotional bumpers.

"The Great British Bake Off on ITV in association with [brand name]"


What's to stop the BBC producing a similar (but not identical) show in-house?

Obviously it couldn't be too similar (so no more "signature", "technical" and "showstopper" and they probably couldn't do it in a tent) but there must be loads of different ways of producing a baking competition, none of which would infringe on Love Productions' rights.
Hmm good question. They don't own the rights to a baking show - just that particular competative format.

I guess you could say, if it was that easy, wouldn't Sky/ITV/Five have made a knock-off by now?

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And on a separate note - what of Bake Off Creme de la Creme? Was that a Love Productions thing as well?
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:13
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Do they honestly expect us to believe that a production company with Sky as a majority shareholder really entered into good faith negotiations with the BBC where money wasn't the sticking point?

Maybe they want it because it will bring viewers, and maybe they don't care where it goes as long as the BBC (their competition) loses it. Either way, they'll spoil something that a lot of people enjoy and I hope that Sky take the blame for it rather than the BBC. With the Murdoch backed government doing everything it can to destroy the BBC, it's not like the BBC can just pay whatever it takes, and they know that.

I imagine that BBC budgets have been slashed too much to be particularly innovative in-house, but they really need to try to keep ownership of popular formats wherever possible instead of leaving them at the mercy of the highest bidder.

Another channel would destroy Bake Off, gone would be the gentle, 'everyone is nice' feel-good TV in favour of cut-throat telly and bakers you love to hate, all in the name of 'drama'.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:15
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So that's Ant and Dec, plus Simon Cowell and that old Osbourne hag taking over. Less baking more singing.
Cowell's already tried a cookey show hosted by Carol Vorderman.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:16
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Hmm good question. They don't own the rights to a baking show - just that particular competative format.

I guess you could say, if it was that easy, wouldn't Sky/ITV/Five have made a knock-off by now?
Possibly because they know that 1) the BBC-broadcast show will always beat theirs; and 2) part of the "magic" of GBBO is the foursome of Mel, Sue, Mary and Paul.

I find it hard to believe that a production company could essentially copyright something so generic as "a competitive baking show". If that were possible then across all channels we'd only ever have one "chat show", one "breakfast show", one... and so on.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:19
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Trying to shift this to another channel and keep the magic intact will be a more tricky journey than the one a baker would make shepherding an intrictate gingerbread construction from the bench to the table while negotiating a floor scattered with marbles as they're wearing roller skates.

Bake Off is dead.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:25
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I find it hard to believe that a production company could essentially copyright something so generic as "a competitive baking show". If that were possible then across all channels we'd only ever have one "chat show", one "breakfast show", one... and so on.
Very true. I suppose it is just the visuals and the terminology (as you pointed out earlier; 'technical' and 'showstopper' etc.) that make it uniquely GBBO.

I'm sure we in this thread can rustle up a fine replacement for Auntie that keeps the show we love - just without the nomencleture.

And we'd keep the presenting/judges the same as well.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:26
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Very true. I suppose it is just the visuals and the terminology (as you pointed out earlier; 'technical' and 'showstopper' etc.) that make it uniquely GBBO.

I'm sure we in this thread can rustle up a fine replacement for Auntie that keeps the show we love - just without the nomencleture.

And we'd keep the presenting/judges the same as well.
Base it loosely on Masterchef, but have all the contestants there in one go (similar to the US version).
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:27
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And on a separate note - what of Bake Off Creme de la Creme? Was that a Love Productions thing as well?
Yes it's the same production company - probably part of the old contract to develop the brand. There's also Junior Bake Off, and they were the production team behind 'Chronicles of Nadiya' - you have to think that the whole brand is now off the BBC, including these shows. How they can say with straight faces that the BBC didn't work hard for GBBO and it's offshoots to have a massive presence on the channel? Just appalling, just how money grabbing and short sighted this all looks.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:38
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LOL that press release..... who are they kidding!!!!
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:39
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Can see this being the end of The Great British Sewing Bee too.
Also a love production for the BBC.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:40
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Terrible news. I hope Mary and Paul tell them to do one.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:42
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If it isn't on ITV then the ratings will be low in comparison to on the BBC. It is curious as to why love prod don't think the BBC want to support and develop the brand.
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:46
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Truely awful news, the death of GBBO as we know it
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:50
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I suppose whether Mel, Sue, Paul and Mary move may depend on their contracts - will they be with love prod? They may have no way of not moving with the show if they are in a contract?
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Old 12-09-2016, 19:51
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Sad news, love a good bake off episode. To say it's not about the highest bidder is bollocks, right on the BBC for not overpaying for it. At least the show will "end" on a high for them. I can't see it being as popular on another channel
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