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Old 13-09-2016, 18:10
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I don't really understand this attitude, condemning something before it's even had a chance.

Yes there will be adverts (so just start watching 15 minutes late) and yes there will be sponsorship (skip it as part of the ads) but otherwise the format will be basically the same.
I don't think it will, especially now that Mel and Sue are going.

I didn't get into "Bake Off" until about the 4th series. One of the things I like about it is the team. Mel and Sue tease Paul and Mary, but they also calm contestants down, and chat to them about what they are making.
I also like the fact that it's 1 hour - nice format, nice baking, uninterrupted by ads and sponsorship.
Who knows what Channel 4 will turn it into?
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:16
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The show has no chance without Mel & Sue
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:19
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Yup. Channel 4 = boned. Throwing 10's of millions at Love Productions without guaranteeing the whole package was in the deal is a massive, massive mistake on their part
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:20
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I don't think it will, especially now that Mel and Sue are going.
See, we know that now - but when I posted there had been no confirmation of who was and wasn't moving with the show. But people were still lining up to condemn it.

But I now agree that without Mel and Sue it won't be as good. I also now can't see Mary and Paul moving over.

I wonder if there's still the potential for the deal to be scrapped. Most contracts have a cooling-off period so I wonder if there will be an intervention from the Channel 4 executives who could realise this will be a costly mistake.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:28
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Random thought here but what's to stop the BBC making their own version? Could they? Or would they have signed an agreement when they took the show that they can't make a rival version?
They can't make a 'clone' of the show as Love Productions retain the rights to it as a format. That's the whole reason they could walk away for more money. The BBC could in make a baking competition show but they'd have to change the format enough so it couldn't be seen to be 'trading off' the Bake Off format. That would probably mean not three rounds signature/technical/showstopper, not two judges and not two hosts. And CERTAINLY not Mel, Sue, Paul and Mary. if the BBC try to do a baking show with those four after this LP will sue them into next week, almost certainly successfully.

So it's possible I think that Paul or Mary could host a baking show, that would be fair enough as it's was they were known for before GBBO came along. But the GBBO format belongs to LP, and the BBC can't just make a show like it if they want to.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:30
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It wouldn't surprise me if that awful Sarah Millican hosted
Oh no anything but that
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:33
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I wonder if there's still the potential for the deal to be scrapped. Most contracts have a cooling-off period so I wonder if there will be an intervention from the Channel 4 executives who could realise this will be a costly mistake.
C4 might want to but LP would be in big trouble if they pulled out. I can't imagine any other commercial broadcaster wanting to take it on under these circumstances and I can't imagine the BBC offering very favourable terms if they tried to go back that way either.

Not all contracts have cooling off periods but it would be interesting to wonder if C4 were already thinking of 'buying out' the contract and cutting their losses...
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:34
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I think I will still watch when it goes over to C4, I will give it a chance

as it is the ads are easy to skip and I skip a lot of the Mel & sue stuff anyway (not everyone worships them I cant stand Sue commenting on GOT)

Plus I dont like Paul that much and Mary is getting on a bit now

If C4 get decent respected bakers I dont see why it will fail
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:35
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Brilliant statement;

"We're not going with the dough."

That line makes it very difficult for the remaining 2 judges to announce their continued association with LP, and make it sound anything but money related!
Maybe they weren't asked? That's a possibility too.

I'm not really that bothered that it's gone to C.4. As much as I like the show, it was starting to get a bit samey and predictable and if it's really a new broom sweeps clean, then I for one will be able to life quite happily without Hollywood's increasingly tiresome fly-in-the-icing persona.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:38
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Without Mel & Sue the programme will struggle - they're absolutely unique with their cheek, fast wit, charm, and sheer kindness. No amount of pastel Kitchenaids can make up for what they brought to the show.

I kind of went off Paul Hollywood after Affairgate, so I could live without him, but his expertise and warm relationship with Mary is also very important to the show.

Channel 4 - foot, meet gun.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:39
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Re the adverts.

I didn't watch Bake Off til about series 5. The Good Food channel has been showing them from Series 1 so I've been recording them. As I've said previously, I never ever ever watch a programme 'live' that's on a commercial channel, I record and watch so i can fast forward through all the ads.

Anyway, as I'd never seen the early series, I have no idea how it originally started, and on this channel, they show everything that's on BBC - the important bits, in fact - but there's no, y'know, how the pork pie originated, or stuff like that. I just assumed at first they didn't do that in the first series, then it occurred to me (I'm slow on the uptake!) that maybe they did, but they've just cut that out of these broadcasts because of the ad breaks.

So, a question please ... did they have that extra bit about how something originated, from the beginning?

It certainly won't be the same without Mel and Sue. It's like an ensemble cast of 4 in this programme, and even the Comic Relief eps with a different presenter isn't the same.
I can't see myse;f watching on Ch 4. Apart from anything else, they'll probably add different things to it to 'give it a Ch 4 feel'.

If only the BBC had cut a few fat salaries to pay for it. Gary Lineker was getting £4m a year for doing very little. Not surprised with pay outs like that the BBC can't afford to keep it's most successful show.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:41
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Maybe they weren't asked? That's a possibility too.

I'm not really that bothered that it's gone to C.4. As much as I like the show, it was starting to get a bit samey and predictable and if it's really a new broom sweeps clean, then I for one will be able to life quite happily without Hollywood's increasingly tiresome fly-in-the-icing persona.
Being 'samey and predictable' is probably what people love about it. It's a winning formula, why change it?
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:41
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What's the big deal? I don't get why people wouldn't still watch just because its changing channels? Am I missing something? Can t you just tape it and fast forward the ads? I didn't know people still watched live TV these days.
Would you watch it if it was exactly the same just with ad breaks?
Yes. It's just a change in TV channel. Why should the presenters and audience go away? (Presumably the presenters will be offered even more money for doing the show.)

They would rather lose their highest rated show than cut back on Exec. salaries. C4 haven't paid mega bucks as they just don't have the money.
That's the problem with the BBC. The "cuts" are applied to programming, but not management salaries. Standard practice for a non-commercial semi-monopoly.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:44
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Just read about Mel and Sue leaving. Seems like Ch 4 had imposed some changes. If so, more fool them.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:46
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If only the BBC had cut a few fat salaries to pay for it. Gary Lineker was getting £4m a year for doing very little. Not surprised with pay outs like that the BBC can't afford to keep it's most successful show.
It can't afford because it is being purposely and insidiously squeezed by a hostile government who want it carved up and gotten rid of so their cronies can line their pockets.
BBC is funding allsorts now inc the world service and free licences for the old.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:52
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See, we know that now - but when I posted there had been no confirmation of who was and wasn't moving with the show. But people were still lining up to condemn it.
Yes, that's probably true.
But, for me, just being on channel 4 is almost enough to put me off. And interrupting the Bake Off hour for adverts is already messing with the format. Even if they were to have only one ad break and show only baking related products - which they won't. They'll start advertising other channel 4 shows in the breaks as well.

I still can't get to grips with having adverts in "Neighbours".
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:00
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Seems to me like Love Productions have royally shot themselves in the foot and I would imagine that in the not too distant future Channel4 will be wondering what they're getting for their £25 million.

Like 'Top Gear', you can't just plonk anybody into a sucessful show and expect it to work.
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:02
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It can't afford because it is being purposely and insidiously squeezed by a hostile government who want it carved up and gotten rid of so their cronies can line their pockets.
BBC is funding allsorts now inc the world service and free licences for the old.
Does the government tell the BBC to pay Linekar £4m a year? And Chris Evans however many umpteen millions he gets? And all the others on obscene salaries?

Eddie Mair on R4 gets about £8,000 a week for an hour a day on air.

You can get rich easily working for the BBC reading an autocue, it seems!
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:05
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C4 might want to but LP would be in big trouble if they pulled out. I can't imagine any other commercial broadcaster wanting to take it on under these circumstances and I can't imagine the BBC offering very favourable terms if they tried to go back that way either.

Not all contracts have cooling off periods but it would be interesting to wonder if C4 were already thinking of 'buying out' the contract and cutting their losses...
If C4 pulled out and nobody else was interested, BBC could offer lower/ the same price and LP would still be happy that they did not ruin the programme after all.
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:06
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If you " Love " GBBO, and agree with the integrity of Mel and Sue, then..

Boycott viewing C4 now, if C4 see that viewers are switching off, there is time to cancel this stupid deal.

Mel and Sue have acted with dignity, respect, and in an honorary way, they didn't follow the dough.

Support them now.

Do not watch C4, we may get it back if enough boycott 4.
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:07
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Does the government tell the BBC to pay Linekar £4m a year? And Chris Evans however many umpteen millions he gets? And all the others on obscene salaries?

Eddie Mair on R4 gets about £8,000 a week for an hour a day on air.

You can get rich easily working for the BBC reading an autocue, it seems!
Gary Lineker doesn't get anything near £4 million from the BBC, check your facts, they are wrong.
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:09
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If you " Love " GBBO, and agree with the integrity of Mel and Sue, then..

Boycott viewing C4 now, if C4 see that viewers are switching off, there is time to cancel this stupid deal.

Mel and Sue have acted with dignity, respect, and in an honorary way, they didn't follow the dough.

Support them now.

Do not watch C4, we may get it back if enough boycott 4.
Good luck with that.

I think you have a slightly unrealistic view of how much audience penetration you could get with a boycott, and how clearly it could be traced to your efforts.
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:10
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Seems to me like Love Productions have royally shot themselves in the foot and I would imagine that in the not too distant future Channel4 will be wondering what they're getting for their £25 million.

Like 'Top Gear', you can't just plonk anybody into a sucessful show and expect it to work.
C4 didn't undertake due diligence, thry gave been sold a good looking second hand car, thry didn't look under the bonnet, there is no engine, in fact, no wheels now.

ITV refused to get involved unless presenters were on board and judges.
Mel and Sue have acted with integrity, dignity and honestly.

If you love GBBO, ( if love isn't a rude word), Boycott C4; do not watch the channel.

If C4 bosses see ratings fall, thry could change there minds, or be forced to.

Boycott 4 now.
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:12
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Good luck with that.

I think you have a slightly unrealistic view of how much audience penetration you could get with a boycott, and how clearly it could be traced to your efforts.
Doesn't need to be traced, just see ratings fall, they will know why.

If people share by social media it could go viral.

It's up to the ten million viewers to save the show, Mel and Sue have shown leadership.
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Old 13-09-2016, 19:23
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Maybe they weren't asked? That's a possibility too.
I can't see why they wouldn't have been wanted. Love or loathe them they bring a lot to it in many people's eyes.

Also Channel 4 said “We would be delighted if the presenters and judges want to come to Channel 4.”
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