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The view from our chums across the pond: Quote:
This is the worst thing to happen to Britain since Brexit.
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The significant thing here, though, is that GBBO will never be the same, and that is a recipe for darkness. For anyone who hasn't seen this masterpiece, it's a gentle, lovely show with no real prizes, competition, or drama. The bakers compete for naught but a cake pan, they get to go home every week and be with their families until the weekend bakes, and they all end up staying good friends after the show, no matter how annoyed they get when a contestant leaves a freezer door open during a Baked Alaska competition. Most importantly, they all have beautiful, lilting accents, and they have taught me a lot about all those cute little Tudor towns in the United Kingdom.
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Mel and Sue are fundamental to Bake-Off’s sweet, pastoral charm, the kind of charm the Guardian, quoting Orwell, describes as "old maids bicycling to holy communion through the morning mist."
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Yes. It's just a change in TV channel. Why should the presenters and audience go away? (Presumably the presenters will be offered even more money for doing the show.)
That's the problem with the BBC. The "cuts" are applied to programming, but not management salaries. Standard practice for a non-commercial semi-monopoly. And with different presenters because Mel and Sue have quit. So not much change then. |
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And a change from 60 minutes of programme to 40 minutes of programme and 20 minutes of adverts.
And with different presenters because Mel and Sue have quit. So not much change then.
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Well done Mel and Sue for standing down and not being motivated by the money. Let's hope Paul and Mary do the same. I bet channel 4 are shitting themselves right now.
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I'm as disappointed as most people on here but for the life of me I can't think of any programme on a commercial channel which runs for an hour containing 20 minutes worth of advertisements
![]() On BBC it was 58 minutes, on Alibi it was 46, so they cut 12 minutes off every episode. On Drama, though, they show it over 1hr and 20 minutes to show it all (bar the odd bit here and there) with the ads. |
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That's the problem with the BBC. The "cuts" are applied to programming, but not management salaries. Standard practice for a non-commercial semi-monopoly.
Secondly, the reason they have no money is because they've had their income frozen for years while costs have risen, while at the same time they've had to take on the world service (previously paid for by the FCO) and give everyone over 75 a free licence. They have lost 700 million pounds off their budget. Do you really think sacking a couple of middle managers would make up for that? |
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I usually lurk on this forum but I'm a big GBBO fan since the start and am watching what's happening with great sadness, as there are few enough straightforward, no frills, plain and simple programmes that do exactly what they say on the tin not stuffed with desperate wannabes on TV these days.
But, really, it's over. Even if Ch4 pulled out now, and even if the BBC got it back, the spell is broken. Mel and Sue will probably already be negotiating other work - and will probably have plenty of offers because people will have admired their stand - and even if they're not, they must be bitter that they found out about it at the same time as the public did. Their relationship with Paul and Mary can't ever be the same, as neither has said a word about it since the news broke as far as I can tell which makes it impossible to tell how they're going to jump, which makes people suspicious of their motives. It was great while it lasted but I don't believe it could ever be the same after this, even if it stayed put after all, which is unlikely as Ch 4 won't want to lose face. Here's hoping for something as good in the future. |
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And a change from 60 minutes of programme to 40 minutes of programme and 20 minutes of adverts.
And with different presenters because Mel and Sue have quit. So not much change then. Quote:
I'm as disappointed as most people on here but for the life of me I can't think of any programme on a commercial channel which runs for an hour containing 20 minutes worth of advertisements
![]() As for the UK? I believe this might still be current... http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bro...de/ad-minutage Quote:
1.1 There are currently restrictions on the amount of advertising that any UK television broadcaster is allowed to show on its channels. These restrictions have been put in place to ensure that viewers are not exposed to excessive amounts of advertising, and that the quality of the viewing experience is maintained.
1.2 The framework that determines the amount of advertising permitted on television is set at a European level by the Audiovisual Media Services (AVMS) Directive. This sets a limit for all channels of 12 minutes on the amount of advertising which may be shown in one hour. The specific rules which apply in the UK are set out in Ofcom's Code on the Scheduling and Amount of Advertising (COSTA). 1.3 The rules which apply in the UK set limits for the commercial public service broadcasters (PSBs) Channel 3, Channel 4, S4C and Channel 5 - and all other commercial broadcasters. For example, there is a limit on the average number of minutes per hour of advertising across the day of 7 minutes an hour (off peak) for PSBs and 9 minutes an hour for all other broadcasters . |
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I don't understand why the BBC have let this one get away! I read somewhere (probably on digital spy) that GBBO gets on average 10m viewers and its expected to rise to 15m - the highest viewed show on the BBC. Are they mad to let it go??
Couldn't they get rid of shows like master chef and the great British menu instead to free up capital to retain the rights for the GBBO? |
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I usually lurk on this forum but I'm a big GBBO fan since the start and am watching what's happening with great sadness, as there are few enough straightforward, no frills, plain and simple programmes that do exactly what they say on the tin not stuffed with desperate wannabes on TV these days.
But, really, it's over. Even if Ch4 pulled out now, and even if the BBC got it back, the spell is broken. Mel and Sue will probably already be negotiating other work - and will probably have plenty of offers because people will have admired their stand - and even if they're not, they must be bitter that they found out about it at the same time as the public did. Their relationship with Paul and Mary can't ever be the same, as neither has said a word about it since the news broke as far as I can tell which makes it impossible to tell how they're going to jump, which makes people suspicious of their motives. It was great while it lasted but I don't believe it could ever be the same after this, even if it stayed put after all, which is unlikely as Ch 4 won't want to lose face. Here's hoping for something as good in the future. |
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I'm not on Twitter so perhaps I'm not privy to the same access as logged in members but the Love Productions Twitter page has no Tweets on it after Sep 8th!
They must be getting inundated with comments though - knowing how furious social media gets! |
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I don't understand why the BBC have let this one get away! I read somewhere (probably on digital spy) that GBBO gets on average 10m viewers and its expected to rise to 15m - the highest viewed show on the BBC. Are they mad to let it go??
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Couldn't they get rid of shows like master chef and the great British menu instead to free up capital to retain the rights for the GBBO?
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By the way, if you're not following @SwearyBerry, you really should be.
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I'd be very surprised if Mary and Paul stayed. Don't they have other BBC offers/shows?
The Great British Backfire! |
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I'd be very surprised if Mary and Paul stayed. Don't they have other BBC offers/shows?
The Great British Backfire! |
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This series will probably skyrocket now, people will see it as the last one
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I'm as disappointed as most people on here but for the life of me I can't think of any programme on a commercial channel which runs for an hour containing 20 minutes worth of advertisements
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They can't make a 'clone' of the show as Love Productions retain the rights to it as a format. That's the whole reason they could walk away for more money. The BBC could in make a baking competition show but they'd have to change the format enough so it couldn't be seen to be 'trading off' the Bake Off format. That would probably mean not three rounds signature/technical/showstopper, not two judges and not two hosts. And CERTAINLY not Mel, Sue, Paul and Mary. if the BBC try to do a baking show with those four after this LP will sue them into next week, almost certainly successfully.
So it's possible I think that Paul or Mary could host a baking show, that would be fair enough as it's was they were known for before GBBO came along. But the GBBO format belongs to LP, and the BBC can't just make a show like it if they want to. I can't see any reason why the BBC could not have a baking competition, they just have to avoid the brand name and phrases like 'star baker'. I would think there is nothing to stop them using the same presenters and judges if they do want to go to Channel 4. As with Top Gear, the name cannot be used by other shows but the previous presenters can have a new programme and even used all the old gags. |
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Maybe Paul and Mary are waiting for this series to be over before they announce that they're leaving?
Here's hoping. |
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A C4 source: "#GBBO* is popular abroad without Mary, Paul, Mel or Sue so it can be here too. It's the baking people love"
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A C4 source: "#GBBO* is popular abroad without Mary, Paul, Mel or Sue so it can be here too. It's the baking people love"
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I think this whole thing demonstrates how wrong-thinking TV executives have become, especially the TV executive known as Jay Hunt (CH4)
The obsession with the format is what I'm talking about. They have such a bizarre obsession with them, to the exclusion of all else. |
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I don't understand why the BBC have let this one get away! I read somewhere (probably on digital spy) that GBBO gets on average 10m viewers and its expected to rise to 15m - the highest viewed show on the BBC. Are they mad to let it go??
Couldn't they get rid of shows like master chef and the great British menu instead to free up capital to retain the rights for the GBBO? |
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It'll probably look nothing like Bake Off after a series on Ch 4.
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I saw a tweet from someone saying 'So the BBC can't doesn't have the money to keep Bake off ... but there's never any problem giving 'star presenters' huge salaries'.
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