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3 AYCE Data PAYG price raise £25
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Chris1973
23-03-2016
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“How much could Three charge for unlimited data before it isn't considered good value?”

If people keep saying what great value it still is after every price increase, then I suspect we'll eventually find out in the fullness of time.
cooler
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“How much could Three charge for unlimited data before it isn't considered good value?”

I think anything above around £30 would be considered not good value because at that point, it would be much better value being on a 30 day SIM Only contract which has unlimited data for £23/month.
david16
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by Chris1973:
“If people keep saying what great value it still is after every price increase, then I suspect we'll eventually find out in the fullness of time.”

That is the point I’m trying to make.

20.00 is still good value for 12GB of data. But this is the second change to the ex All In One 15 package in the space of a few months, both for the worse, though the first change to the All In One 15 to become the All In One 20 was fair though as 15.00 was a real bargain for AYCE data on PAYG. AYCE data for most is peace of mind so you don’t run out of data before the 30 days are up rather than to consume in excess of 50GB or 100GB of data.

If the price of the ex All In One 15 goes up again in another few months, and then not long afterwards they only offer half the data still, then a further data reduction, then another price hike all within a few months of each other (obviously the now All in one 25 plan which still offers AYCE datawill have increased considerably) then we will know they are more concerned about profit.

But if they keep the amount of data at 12GB and not reduce it substantially, and the price of it doesn’t keep increasing sharply and not too often in short periods of time, then it will be ok.

I’ll agree with the changes to the ex All In One 15 if we don’t have to keep paying more money for less data every 6 or 7 months. Three will need to keep the data amount at 12GB per month.
david16
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by cooler:
“I think anything above around £30 would be considered not good value because at that point, it would be much better value being on a 30 day SIM Only contract which has unlimited data for £23/month.”

An All In One 30 with only 6GB of data per month on what was the ex All in one 15 PAYG plan by next October would be shocking.

The fact that right now EE and vodafone are both doing special promotional offers such as 2 months × 100GB of data (EE) and 50GB of data (vodafone) for a tenner every so often, but not at the same time I highly doubt many on the now All In One 20 who consume in excess of 12GB of data each month will be prepared to keep paying 25.00 each month for PAYG AYCE data with three if they don’t make many calls or send many texts, especially if there is one or the other of the vodafone or EE promotional sims on offer every month of the year.
toofast
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by david16:
“An All In One 30 with only 6GB of data per month on what was the ex All in one 15 PAYG plan by next October would be shocking.

The fact that right now EE and vodafone are both doing special promotional offers such as 2 months × 100GB of data (EE) and 50GB of data (vodafone) for a tenner every so often, but not at the same time I highly doubt many on the now All In One 20 who consume in excess of 12GB of data each month will be prepared to keep paying 25.00 each month for PAYG AYCE data with three if they don’t make many calls or send many texts, especially if there is one or the other of the vodafone or EE promotional sims on offer every month of the year.”

Why are these good deals? You only get 50GB with Voda to use once only!...and only 2 months of 100GB with Orange to use for 2 months. No rollovers and no second offers. Then it's back to crap data allowances.
david16
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by toofast:
“Why are these good deals? You only get 50GB with Voda to use once only!...and only 2 months of 100GB with Orange to use for 2 months. No rollovers and no second offers. Then it's back to crap data allowances.”

You just order a new sim from both EE and Vodafone the next time they do a promotion.

It’s one sim per promotion, not one sim per forever.

BTW, There’s been either an EE promotional sim or a vodafone promotional sim on offer ever since October, certainly to allow you to have a constant stream of 50GB or 100GB of mobile data per month for a full 5 months. Who knows once vodafone end their latest promotional offer, that EE will do another one within a month.
toofast
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by david16:
“You just order a new sim from both EE and Vodafone the next time they do a promotion.

It’s one sim per promotion, not one sim per forever.

BTW, There’s been either an EE promotional sim or a vodafone promotional sim on offer ever since October, certainly to allow you to have a constant stream of 50GB or 100GB of mobile data per month for a full 5 months. Who knows once vodafone end their latest promotional offer, that EE will do another one within a month.”

But can you port your number over to the new sim with the same provider?
david16
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by toofast:
“But can you port your number over to the new sim with the same provider?”

I don’t know because I’ve never done a porting over of any of my numerous mobile numbers from all the PAYG sims I’ve used from the 3 or 4 mobile operators that I’ve used.
toofast
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by david16:
“You just order a new sim from both EE and Vodafone the next time they do a promotion.

It’s one sim per promotion, not one sim per forever.

BTW, There’s been either an EE promotional sim or a vodafone promotional sim on offer ever since October, certainly to allow you to have a constant stream of 50GB or 100GB of mobile data per month for a full 5 months. Who knows once vodafone end their latest promotional offer, that EE will do another one within a month.”

I cannot find the EE promotion advertised on their site?
cooler
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by toofast:
“I cannot find the EE promotion advertised on their site?”

That's because there hasn't been one since the 100GB Christmas SIM promotion.
david16
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by cooler:
“That's because there hasn't been one since the 100GB Christmas SIM promotion.”

When they were on offer (EE) you could have ordered 2 of them to your home address for both to start one straight after another in the same smartphone, provided they were not both addressed to you personally and you didn’t use the same e-mail address for both sims.

So you could have got 4 months worth of 100GB of data, not just 2.
culabula
25-03-2016
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“I pay my Grandson's 3 AYCE plan. He streams music a lot (which he is studying at Uni) so needs a fair bit. I bit the bullet when 3 raised it from 15 to 20 but this is the tipping point. What are the alternatives, say for about 20GB ?”

Three are offering a router plus SIM for free. 40GB a month for 20 quid a month. One year contract. Either use the router or stick the SIM in something else.
david16
25-03-2016
Originally Posted by culabula:
“Three are offering a router plus SIM for free. 40GB a month for 20 quid a month. One year contract. Either use the router or stick the SIM in something else.”

Even stick the sim in your smartphone.

If you have one of these dongles, you can buy a connector cable from Amazon that allows you to connect the dongle to a smartphone or tablet. Useful for samsung galaxy tablets e.g. that don’t have a sim slot.
culabula
25-03-2016
Originally Posted by david16:
“Even stick the sim in your smartphone.

If you have one of these dongles, you can buy a connector cable from Amazon that allows you to connect the dongle to a smartphone or tablet. Useful for samsung galaxy tablets e.g. that don’t have a sim slot.”

Really ? Do you have a link for that ?
david16
25-03-2016
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“Fair comment, but he spends a lot of time travelling out of range of wifi.”

And if you have run out of data and you’re out of range of wifi then you are going to have to pay for extra data. And how reliable is wifi on public transport when it is available and you need to use it on the bus, coach or train?

1p per MB for data is a cheap unit price, but if you have to consume extra data beyond the 12 GB limit it’s going to cost you 10.24 for every extra 1GB consumed.

He will have to get the All In One 25 for the times when he’s travelling, but he would have to know in advance when he’s going to be travelling so he can plan purchasing the All In One 25.

This change to the All In One 20 to a 12GB limit is going to hit people on that particular PAYG package hard who have to make emergency arrangements to away from home where suddenly they have no access to wifi and they need access to the internet to consume a fair few GB’s in the middle of the active 30 days add on.
MTUK1
27-03-2016
Originally Posted by david16:
“Three don’t need to suddenly charge something like 11ppm, 13ppm or 14ppm e.g. on PAYG for both EU based and domestic based calls in terms of marrying the 2 rates by next year.

Mobile operators are supposed to abolish the expensive roaming call rates by next year to make call rates the same from both the UK and the EU. Not hike up the domestic rates almost to the current EU roaming rates while reducing the EU call rate by just 1p or 2p so that they can somehow claim they’ve abolished the EU roaming rate by the deadline like GiffGaff have cynically done.”

Where do you suppose the mobile networks make up the loss of income from EU roaming then? This is the problem with the barmy EU's legislation. Everyone was celebrating this change when it was announced last year. But they neglected to mention that in having this cheap roaming, prices will go up elsewhere. The mobile networks are not charities. It's also unfair on people who don't travel within Europe. Why should they subsidise people that do? The EU. You couldn't make it up!
Eater Sundae
30-03-2016
My wife and I both have sim free phones which we use on Three's PAYG 3-2-1 tarrif. We are very light users (she tops up with £10 every couple of months, and £10 lasts me nearly a year). We've just been away with two kids, where we all wanted to use Wi-Fi devices for a few days. The cost of Wi-Fi from the holiday resort would have been over £80. I considered one of the Three Huawei hubs they sell in Curry's (£10 to buy plus £15 for 5 Gb).

However, in the end we bought Three's £20 add on pack for my wife's PAYG phone as a one off, to give us 30 days of AYCE data, and tethered our 4 devices to it. We used about 8Gb off data during the break (light web browsing, no big downloads), and it worked fine for our needs (although where we were was pretty marginal for a Three signal, and so it dropped out a few times).

I've now read on this thread that we are not allowed to tether (Oops). Is this important? We did it without realising that we shouldn't / couldn't. Does it matter? Do they know when you tether? How do they stop it if they don't like it? I never realised that we were not allowed to tether. I'd not given it any thought, beyond seeing that my wife's phone could be set to work as a hotspot for up to 8 devices, and that it's download speed was as good as the Huawei mobile hotspot, so it seemed like a good idea (and I wouldn't be limited to just 5 GB as was the case with the Huawei kit).
Chris1973
30-03-2016
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“I've now read on this thread that we are not allowed to tether (Oops). Is this important? We did it without realising that we shouldn't / couldn't. Does it matter? Do they know when you tether? How do they stop it if they don't like it? I never realised that we were not allowed to tether. I'd not given it any thought, beyond seeing that my wife's phone could be set to work as a hotspot for up to 8 devices, and that it's download speed was as good as the Huawei mobile hotspot, so it seemed like a good idea (and I wouldn't be limited to just 5 GB as was the case with the Huawei kit).”

If it worked and let you do it, then I wouldn't lose any sleep over it its not like they can bill you for it on PAYG.

You were lucky that it did work however, normally once they detect it you will get a blocked screen appear with a message about tethering not being allowed and you won't be able to access anything until you go back to handset only, at least that is what I got when I tried it a few years ago.

Some people have randomly reported the same thing in the past, and found that they were able to tether, whilst others have found it blocked but I thought that they were fairly on top of detecting it these days, but clearly not in your case.

If it keeps working then great, but whilst it lasts just consider it a bonus which may disappear at any point in the future, if they do detect it / decide to block it

What type and model of phone was it...just out of interest
Eater Sundae
30-03-2016
Originally Posted by Chris1973:
“If it worked and let you do it, then I wouldn't lose any sleep over it its not like they can bill you for it on PAYG.

You were lucky that it did work however, normally once they detect it you will get a blocked screen appear with a message about tethering not being allowed and you won't be able to access anything until you go back to handset only, at least that is what I got when I tried it a few years ago.

Some people have randomly reported the same thing in the past, and found that they were able to tether, whilst others have found it blocked but I thought that they were fairly on top of detecting it these days, but clearly not in your case.

If it keeps working then great, but whilst it lasts just consider it a bonus which may disappear at any point in the future, if they do detect it / decide to block it

What type and model of phone was it...just out of interest ”

Nokia 520 (I think that's the model -my wife's out at present so I can't confirm the specific model). It was about £80 from Carphone Warehouse a couple of years ago. Probably their cheapest Nokia Windows model at the time.

We tried both our phones (mine's a Huawei Y300) to see if they'd tether (they both did), but chose to use my wife's as it's spec sheet claimed a slightly higher download speed. I'd never even thought to check whether Three would or wouldn't allow it.

I wonder if they are concerned about the amount of data being transferred (we downloaded about 8 GB over 4 days) or whether it is more about protecting their more expensive data packages which do allow tethering.
moox
30-03-2016
Originally Posted by culabula:
“Three are offering a router plus SIM for free. 40GB a month for 20 quid a month. One year contract. Either use the router or stick the SIM in something else.”

Pretty sure that this is currently a trial limited to Northern Ireland
culabula
30-03-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“Pretty sure that this is currently a trial limited to Northern Ireland”

Ah, my apologies, I do believe that you are correct.
Chris1973
30-03-2016
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“I wonder if they are concerned about the amount of data being transferred (we downloaded about 8 GB over 4 days) or whether it is more about protecting their more expensive data packages which do allow tethering.”

On the grand scale of things, 8GB isn't a lot.for £20, more so given that Three offer a dedicated Mobile Data sim giving 15GB for the same price on a 30 day contract.

I wouldn't worry about it.
david16
07-04-2016
Originally Posted by Chris1973:
“On the grand scale of things, 8GB isn't a lot.for £20, more so given that Three offer a dedicated Mobile Data sim giving 15GB for the same price on a 30 day contract.

I wouldn't worry about it.”

But three’s mobile broadband sims are not PAYG though. Three’s PAYG mobile broadband sims are not competitively priced, and you can’t get mobile broadband sims at three with AYCE data either.
Chris1973
07-04-2016
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“But three’s mobile broadband sims are not PAYG though. Three’s PAYG mobile broadband sims are not competitively priced, and you can’t get mobile broadband sims at three with AYCE data either.”

So how does that change anything?

The bloke used 8GB of data on a PAYG sim, and is worried Three will somehow punish him for it. So what is your advice?
carcass
07-04-2016
I'm going to give EE a try http://shop.ee.co.uk/campaigns/mtv-trax-sim-from-ee
Been a 3 customer for many years but they have become too expensive for me.
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