I agree. I've never criticised Apple for adding a stylus. Having has an early Palm PDA I think it is clear Jobs was referring to machines where you had to use the stylus, which would be a real PITA for the way we use phones today. Adding stylus functionality for those that want it, and where for serious artwork it is clearly far better, is a sound decision and I doubt Jobs today would have refused to do it.

From the third post on posters are discussing features and specs. How can you judge value without considering what a machine does?
And many people state the iPad is better. Isn't that only an opinion?
Are you going to tell that to all the other people discussing features and specs?

It's interesting that very few seem to be able to actually identify any specific feature that makes it more suited to their needs. I have listed many specific, factual, advantages to Windows tablets, things it can do that iPads can't yet apart from already commited to Apple app store and connectivity to other Apple products no one seems to be able to state any specific feature the iPad has that makes it better.

Others have stated that the iPad is "better" and that the interface is "better". When I say the Windows UI is better I'm suddenly criticised for "stating opinion as fact".

UI, apps, weight, battery.

i'm no psychologist so i can't explain why, but people do

the people were discussing why the items referred to in the OP were the prices they were. the thread is discussing pricing of specific items


of course


no

so what? why are so you interested in other peoples choices to buy products you don't want to buy? there are a huge number of reasons why people buy certain things

you are wrong. you've misread or misunderstood

Like post #80 where better UI is stated as fact?

Better UI is opinion not fact. Better apps is hardly a pro when Windows tablets can run all, full spec, Windows PC software perfectly. Why settle for cut down apps when you can run full programs? Weight? Not really. Battery? A valid point in many cases. I'd suggest that higher power consumption is a reasonable and acceptable trade off for having a full OS and being able to run desktop programs. A Ferrari will have poorer fuel consumption than a Fiat.

Why are people so interested in my opinions? If it so unimportant to you then why reply? The fact that people are so adamant to refute my comments suggests they are just as invested in supporting their choice.

And since people were complaining about the cost of a device I suggested another device that can do a lot more for less money. How is that wrong?

It seems that Apple owners are happy to complain about the cost of an Apple product but suggest another alternative and they react like you've suggested selling their children for medical research.
Quite.

I've listed the benefits of a tablet which is what the iPad is.

I agree with you that the surface pro pretends to be a PCs, which is why I've always said that that you would be better offer buying a proper laptop.

But I'm trying to find out exactly why you consider the iPad a better tablet. If you'd never heard of the Surface and I gave you one, without a keyboard and in its tablet UI, what exactly would make you think it wasn't as good a tablet as the iPad? What is it lacking?

Having had three Android phones and just got a Windows phone I can understand an unfamiliar UI can take time to get used to, but that is not the same as saying it is not as good. Someone who had only ever had a Windows phone would find it just as unfamiliar getting an Android or iPhone.

I can, for example, give specific examples of where I consider the Windows phone I have (still on 8.1) to be not as good as my Android phone. On Android I have a widget on the home screen for wifi hotspot, since that is something I use frequently. The widget tells me whether the hotspot is on or not and a single tap turns it on or off. On Windows phone I can't do that. I can have a hotspot live tile but tapping it opens the hotspot settings page where I have to tap On then tap home to get back to the main screen. Three taps instead of one. But it is a small detail and not exactly a hardship.

So if I gave you a Surface what exactly would you consider it was lacking as a tablet? Lots of people buy Surfaces but not the keyboard and only ever use it as a tablet. So what are they missing out on by not getting an iPad?

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...1&postcount=80

I concur. you are wrong. you've definitely misread or misunderstood

nonsense. the reasons people don't reply will vary person to person and per situation

the OP is about prices on specific products. nothing else

you wouldn't go on a coronation street thread and ask people why they are watching coronation street and suggest they watch eastenders would you?

people aren't generally stupid. they know there are alternate products from other manufacturers and would perhaps look into it or ask if that interested them

why do you care why someone likes something so much?

if people wanted to tell you they would consider answering. I wouldn't tell you just because of the way you word your posts

It's interesting that so many people post to disagree with me. Why do they care? Why is it strange for me to advocate one tablet but perfectly reasonable for others to argue in favour of another tablet?

This is a discussion forum. Someone commented that they thought a product was overpriced, I suggested an alternative that is much better value. I don't complain when someone goes into a Windows or Android thread and recommends an iPad. If they can say why it would do a better job then why not?

I asked for specific factual features that were better on the iPad. Someone answered "UI"

When I said the Windows UI was better I was told that was opinion, not fact.

So why is stating that the iPad UI is better considered a fact?

That is very interesting wording. It suggests that many people would but a product without looking into alternatives. You'd spend £600 on a tablet without even considering other tablets?

I love all three Android phones I've had, all HTC. But every time I got a new one I looked into lots of others, compared features, read reviews and so on. Who would buy something like that without considering what is available? How do they know there might not be something that would suit them far better?

A poster when into a Windows tablets & phones titled thread and recommended Apple iOS, in a reply to me actually.

No one complained or told him to go away. It was a perfectly reasonable comment suggesting an alternative and, given the iOS walled garden, probably quite valid.

So if someone can go into a Windows thread and recommend Apple why can't I comment in an iPad thread and suggest a Windows tablet, and give factual reasons for recommending them?

Again, why do you care that I like Windows tablets? Why is it "okay" for you to recommend and defend iPads but my recommending a Windows tablet is some bizarre freakish behaviour?

Much better value to you. It's not better value to me. I don't want a cheap Windows tablet.

I'm glad that the LUNIX 10 works for you and I'm sure that it works well for other people too. However we are not stupid. We haven't missed out on the bargain of the century. We are aware of the bargain basement tablets out there but we have decided that it doesn't meet our requirements which is why we opted to spend more and buy an iPad.