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I'm glad that the LUNIX 10 works for you and I'm sure that it works well for other people too. However we are not stupid. We haven't missed out on the bargain of the century. We are aware of the bargain basement tablets out there but we have decided that it doesn't meet our requirements which is why we opted to spend more and buy an iPad.
So what features are you getting that the Linx lacks? In what way does it not meet your requirements? What made you spend over twice the price? |
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In what way? What actual features are you getting for that extra money? Synching with other Apple products is one reason given, and perfectly valid if you have a Mac, lots of apps etc. But not if you have a PC. There is a slight difference in weight, the Linx and Surface have a slightly bigger screen. The iPad has higher screen resolution but if you're surfing the net would you spot the difference? I can't when they are side by side.
So what features are you getting that the Linx lacks? In what way does it not meet your requirements? What made you spend over twice the price? It doesn't run Windows. I'm just not interested in buying any Windows devices, tablet phone or PC. I would buy an android tablet before I buy a Windows tablet. It runs iOS which is my prefered operating system on a touchscreen device. Imo the iPad has a better tablet interface It comes with sufficient internal storage. I value internal storage over supplementing with an SD card. Through the App Store I have access to high quality tablet apps. I've no interest in running desktop apps on a low end tablet. I have access to all my media that I purchased for iTunes. The build quality of the iPad is more premium I know that my iPad will be supported with software for many years to come. Apple provide excellent after sales support. The higher resolution matters to me as I use it to watch a lot of videos and to view my photos. I have a Mac. I don't own any Windows products so why would I buy the Linx tablet. |
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It doesn't run Windows. I'm just not interested in buying any Windows devices, tablet phone or PC. I would buy an android tablet before I buy a Windows tablet.
It runs iOS which is my prefered operating system on a touchscreen device. Imo the iPad has a better tablet interface It comes with sufficient internal storage. I value internal storage over supplementing with an SD card. Through the App Store I have access to high quality tablet apps. I've no interest in running desktop apps on a low end tablet. I have access to all my media that I purchased for iTunes. The build quality of the iPad is more premium I know that my iPad will be supported with software for many years to come. Apple provide excellent after sales support. The higher resolution matters to me as I use it to watch a lot of videos and to view my photos. I have a Mac. I don't own any Windows products so why would I buy the Linx tablet. Why prefer internal storage? What is the benefit? Micro SD card expansion give you more storage for far less money, can be bought anytime and if your tablet gets dropped and smashed you can just take the SD card out and any files that might not have been backed up will be safe and sound. Why is internal storage better? Why say "low end" tablet? My linx has run every desktop program I have ever installed on it. I can play a HD video in the media player, another HD movie in MPC and be downloading another HD video on Youtube and have all three playing on the screen at once, perfectly. If that's "low end" then what do you do with your tablet? iTunes will run perfectly on the Linx and have all your media for you. Build quality? Possibly. The Linx isn't going to win any style awards but it's certainly not cheap and nasty. Microsoft typically support their OS's for fifteen years or so. They have said Windows 10 will be supported "forever" rather than a Windows 11 or whatever replacing it. After sales? Again, quite possibly. Can't comment as I've never had to contact Linx. However I could just throw it away and buy a new one and still be less out of pocket. Higher resolution? Again, possibly. Though playing HD demo videos the picture on the Linx is great. I've seen the Linx and the iPad Air side by side and if you can see a difference when surfing the net I'd be amazed. And if you play lots of videos at high enough resolution to support the screen then expandable storage becomes and even better feature. The iPad Air 2 at £430 only goes up to 64GB, and a chunk of that is the OS. A Linx and a SC card can get you over 150GB of storage for well under £200. A bunch of HD movies will quickly fill up that 64GB and if you're on a plane or away from network coverage then the cloud won't help. And your last point the Linx does everything the ipad can do, and lost more, and will happily run iTunes and have all your media available. Even if they cost the same price I'd choose the Linx. I'm not going to go on. No one has come up with any genuine reasons why the iPad is better than a Windows tablet other than (slightly) better weight and display resolution, integration with other Apple products (which doesn't apply to anyone who already has a PC) and vague "it's better" or "I prefer iOS". (Comments which when I make I get told are only opinions not facts) While the long list of features of Windows tablets (expandable storage, proper USB ports, user accounts, can run full programs, can run as dual display PC, virtual desktops, proper multitasking etc are all dismissed as "not important." I believe in paying for top quality goods. I bought a Miele washing machine because they're the best. My toaster is a Dualit because ditto*. Fridge and dishwasher Bosch. TV is a top spec Samsung. I happily pay to get the best. My Linx tablet does so much that the iPad can't that it is just a better machine. I'd buy it if it cost more than an iPad. The fact it costs well under half the price is a bonus. I know I'm unlikely to change anyone's mind. *Yes, I spent £150 on a toaster. Twenty years ago. And it still works perfectly. |
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I asked for specific factual features that were better on the iPad. Someone answered "UI"
When I said the Windows UI was better I was told that was opinion, not fact. So why is stating that the iPad UI is better considered a fact? My opinion? I would rather pick up my iPad to do general browsing, email, forums, Facebook etc. than you fire up my Windows tablet or laptop. That's my preference. However, for real work, I use a desktop PC. |
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Why say "low end" tablet? My linx has run every desktop program I have ever installed on it. I can play a HD video in the media player, another HD movie in MPC and be downloading another HD video on Youtube and have all three playing on the screen at once, perfectly. If that's "low end" then what do you do with your tablet?
Build quality? Possibly. The Linx isn't going to win any style awards but it's certainly not cheap and nasty. Higher resolution? Again, possibly. Though playing HD demo videos the picture on the Linx is great. I've seen the Linx and the iPad Air side by side and if you can see a difference when surfing the net I'd be amazed. . Whilst the Linx is not cheap and nasty build quality why it's a long way off being as well built as an iPad is. I have had both an iPad Air 2 and a Linx side by side and if you can't tell the difference when surfing the net in the screens that I'd suggest a trip to Specsavers!
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It's interesting that so many people post to disagree with me. Why do they care? Why is it strange for me to advocate one tablet but perfectly reasonable for others to argue in favour of another tablet?
This is a discussion forum. Someone commented that they thought a product was overpriced, I suggested an alternative that is much better value. I don't complain when someone goes into a Windows or Android thread and recommends an iPad. If they can say why it would do a better job then why not? Quote:
I asked for specific factual features that were better on the iPad. Someone answered "UI"
When I said the Windows UI was better I was told that was opinion, not fact. So why is stating that the iPad UI is better considered a fact? you still completely miss the point too Quote:
That is very interesting wording. It suggests that many people would but a product without looking into alternatives. You'd spend £600 on a tablet without even considering other tablets?
![]() I love all three Android phones I've had, all HTC. But every time I got a new one I looked into lots of others, compared features, read reviews and so on. Who would buy something like that without considering what is available? How do they know there might not be something that would suit them far better? Quote:
A poster when into a Windows tablets & phones titled thread and recommended Apple iOS, in a reply to me actually.
No one complained or told him to go away. It was a perfectly reasonable comment suggesting an alternative and, given the iOS walled garden, probably quite valid. So if someone can go into a Windows thread and recommend Apple why can't I comment in an iPad thread and suggest a Windows tablet, and give factual reasons for recommending them? Quote:
Again, why do you care that I like Windows tablets? Why is it "okay" for you to recommend and defend iPads but my recommending a Windows tablet is some bizarre freakish behaviour?
nothing that you have said that I have quoted answers the OP |
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none of the above has anything to do with the OP
again none of this has anything to do with the OP you still completely miss the point too again this has nothing to do with the OP, and just because something you read is interpreted by yourself in a particular way does not mean that is the actual intention again this has nothing to do with the OP I don't care what you like. that is your choice. furthermore I'm not saying recommending anything is any particular type of behaviour. you simply can't read something, such as the OP and understand what it means and reply in context nothing that you have said that I have quoted answers the OP ![]() If someone complained that Tesco is too expensive would you consider someone suggesting Sainsbury's as an alternative as "off topic"? The OP said he considered something too expensive for what it did. I suggested an alternative that did the same and more but cost far less. Is that not a reasonable answer? It does seem to be a case of Apple users just do not want to consider alternatives and don't like anyone pointing out that rival products can do more. It's actually a well known occurrence. |
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It does seem to be a case of Apple users just do not want to consider alternatives and don't like anyone pointing out that rival products can do more. It's actually a well known occurrence.
Bit like yourself extolling the virtues of the Linx tablet and making it out to be better than it is. |
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You genuinely can't see that if someone complains about a product being too expensive then suggesting an alternative is relevant?
![]() If someone complained that Tesco is too expensive would you consider someone suggesting Sainsbury's as an alternative as "off topic"? The OP said he considered something too expensive for what it did. I suggested an alternative that did the same and more but cost far less. Is that not a reasonable answer? It does seem to be a case of Apple users just do not want to consider alternatives and don't like anyone pointing out that rival products can do more. It's actually a well known occurrence. |
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You genuinely can't see that if someone complains about a product being too expensive then suggesting an alternative is relevant?
![]() If someone complained that Tesco is too expensive would you consider someone suggesting Sainsbury's as an alternative as "off topic"? The OP said he considered something too expensive for what it did. I suggested an alternative that did the same and more but cost far less. Is that not a reasonable answer? It does seem to be a case of Apple users just do not want to consider alternatives and don't like anyone pointing out that rival products can do more. It's actually a well known occurrence. Just because someone buys an iPad, doesn't mean they haven't considered alternatives - its just as likely they did consider alternatives, and chose an iPad anyway. There does seem to be this kind of arrogant assumption that people would buy an alternative, If Only They Knew What They Were Missing. The simple explanation is more likely just to be that the things you consider important, are not considered important by everyone. Try going back to the analogy about the Toyota Yaris and imagine saying everything you've said about the iPad, about the Yaris. For example: It does seem to be a case of Toyota Yaris drivers just do not want to consider alternatives and don't like anyone pointing out that rival products can do more. |
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You bang on about the Linx regularly. It's time to drop this, don't you think?
You opened an Android security thread and commented that iOS was the most secure system, and no one told you that was off topic or "this is an Android thread". It was a perfectly reasonable and relevant comment. Just as when someone complains about the price of a new iPad in relation to its features I consider suggesting an alternative is perfectly reasonable and on topic. And going into a forum threat about tablets and talking about a tablet? That's strange?
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Except in this case, it seems to be more about people having difficulty in accepting other people might just prefer an iPad, because whatever few things it may not do that other tablets do don't apply to their own usage.
Just because someone buys an iPad, doesn't mean they haven't considered alternatives - its just as likely they did consider alternatives, and chose an iPad anyway. There does seem to be this kind of arrogant assumption that people would buy an alternative, If Only They Knew What They Were Missing. The simple explanation is more likely just to be that the things you consider important, are not considered important by everyone. Try going back to the analogy about the Toyota Yaris and imagine saying everything you've said about the iPad, about the Yaris. For example: It does seem to be a case of Toyota Yaris drivers just do not want to consider alternatives and don't like anyone pointing out that rival products can do more. If that person started a thread online complaining the new Yaris cost a fortune and had hardly any extra features yet still refused to consider the far cheaper rival that did everything they wanted and more, then I'd really start to wonder. |
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You genuinely can't see that if someone complains about a product being too expensive then suggesting an alternative is relevant?
![]() If someone complained that Tesco is too expensive would you consider someone suggesting Sainsbury's as an alternative as "off topic"? The OP said he considered something too expensive for what it did. I suggested an alternative that did the same and more but cost far less. Is that not a reasonable answer? It does seem to be a case of Apple users just do not want to consider alternatives and don't like anyone pointing out that rival products can do more. It's actually a well known occurrence. Quote:
Other people bring up their Apple products again and again. Should they drop it?
You opened an Android security thread and commented that iOS was the most secure system, and no one told you that was off topic or "this is an Android thread". It was a perfectly reasonable and relevant comment. Just as when someone complains about the price of a new iPad in relation to its features I consider suggesting an alternative is perfectly reasonable and on topic. And going into a forum threat about tablets and talking about a tablet? That's strange? ![]() Quote:
Is their an alternative to the Yaris that does everything it does, and has far more features, far more room and costs half the price? Then yes, I'd be interested to hear why they chose the Yaris. If their answer was just " think the Yaris is better" without being able to articulate why, and if every extra feature the rival had they dismissed as unimportant, I'd wonder why they chose it.
If that person started a thread online complaining the new Yaris cost a fortune and had hardly any extra features yet still refused to consider the far cheaper rival that did everything they wanted and more, then I'd really start to wonder. |
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Other people bring up their Apple products again and again. Should they drop it?
You opened an Android security thread and commented that iOS was the most secure system, and no one told you that was off topic or "this is an Android thread". It was a perfectly reasonable and relevant comment. Just as when someone complains about the price of a new iPad in relation to its features I consider suggesting an alternative is perfectly reasonable and on topic. And going into a forum threat about tablets and talking about a tablet? That's strange? ![]() If you are going to scrutinise my old posts, you will discover I worked with Microsoft products for many years as a consultant and trainer. I would still rather use PCs rather than a Mac for everyday work. However, I find my iPad is the most convenient device for casual use, despite the fact I have two Windows laptops and a Windows tablet. That's my opinion. |
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Is their an alternative to the Yaris that does everything it does, and has far more features, far more room and costs half the price? Then yes, I'd be interested to hear why they chose the Yaris. If their answer was just " think the Yaris is better" without being able to articulate why, and if every extra feature the rival had they dismissed as unimportant, I'd wonder why they chose it.
If that person started a thread online complaining the new Yaris cost a fortune and had hardly any extra features yet still refused to consider the far cheaper rival that did everything they wanted and more, then I'd really start to wonder. But is there an alternative to the iPad that does everything it does, with far more features and costs half the price? I don't see why people should feel they have to better articulate their personal preference when buying a product they prefer, and does everything they need and want, rather than buy a product you might prefer because it does things that you consider important. Why can't it simply be personal preference? I have an iPad because: 1. I had other Apple products already, so it made sense. 2. At the time, apps were often better optimised for the iPad than other tablets, which were often enlarged phone apps. 3. I prefer iOS. 4. I prefer that Apple make their money by making the best products they can, whereas Google make their money by selling everything they know about me for the highest bidder. 5. I think Apple have an above average policy on the environment. 6. I think Apple have an above average on privacy. 7. In my experience Apple have above average customer service. 8. I have no need for the things you cite as beneficial to you. 9. I prefer the design of the iPad. 10. I preferred the design of the iPad. |
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Just as when someone complains about the price of a new iPad in relation to its features I consider suggesting an alternative is perfectly reasonable and on topic.
Also it was myself who you started suggesting your Windows alternatives to, not the OP. Which I would like to say thanks for, and just to let you know I considered what you had to say and have decided to stick with my new iPad Pro which arrives tomorrow. |
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^^Very tempted myself my 65gb Ipad 3 is getting on a bit, and might consider an upgrade. Let us know what you think of the smaller pro
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Did you consider the Surface 3?
Meanwhile, Apple appear to have a new mantra; less for more. They've already withdrawn the iPad Air 2 128gb model, and the 9.7" iPad Pro is disgracefully under-powered and overpriced. So, until these companies WAKE UP, I'll be sticking with my Air 2 64gb, Mac Mini and Windows 7 64-bit machines. |
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^^Very tempted myself my 65gb Ipad 3 is getting on a bit, and might consider an upgrade. Let us know what you think of the smaller pro
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The OP's complaint was about the price of the new iPad Pro compared to the iPad Air 2, and It wasn't about the price of iPads in general compared to other tablets on the market.
Also it was myself who you started suggesting your Windows alternatives to, not the OP. Which I would like to say thanks for, and just to let you know I considered what you had to say and have decided to stick with my new iPad Pro which arrives tomorrow. I see many on Apple forums wanting to update the Air 2 but it's not a great update for people unless you have an older iPad. And at £100 more many will probably go for the reduced price Air 2 with the same ram as the new Pro 9.7". |
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The 9.7" pro at its current pricing may sell bette in 2017 or on Black Friday discounts rather than current pricing. The 9.7" model is now £100 more that's a jump one of the biggest more than the IPhones when they use to be £499.
No reason for it too as all the components of the SE are cheaper than the 5c which had older parts. You don't get a pencil in the price so how is £499 good value? Yes 32gb is more memory but they removed the 64gb one. Surley retail price by Apples standards would be £439 for a 16gb Pro model had they not went for 32gb? I believe Apple will surely bring out a cheaper model they twice tried this with the iPod line and 5c and twice an 8gb and 16gb later arrived. 16gb iPad Pro has to happen. |
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The 9.7" pro at its current pricing may sell bette in 2017 or on Black Friday discounts rather than current pricing. The 9.7" model is now £100 more that's a jump one of the biggest more than the IPhones when they use to be £499.
No reason for it too as all the components of the SE are cheaper than the 5c which had older parts. You don't get a pencil in the price so how is £499 good value? Yes 32gb is more memory but they removed the 64gb one. Surley retail price by Apples standards would be £439 for a 16gb Pro model had they not went for 32gb? I believe Apple will surely bring out a cheaper model they twice tried this with the iPod line and 5c and twice an 8gb and 16gb later arrived. 16gb iPad Pro has to happen. Although i am disappointed by the lack of update from the Air 2 to the Pro |
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*Yes, I spent £150 on a toaster. Twenty years ago. And it still works perfectly.
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Let's hope people don't start going on at you it justify a £150 on a toaster when there are some toasters that do everything it does for half the price.
![]() if you don't want the latest ipad, buying last years model second hand from someone with upgraditus you can get a good deal, and sometimes you can sell it on a year or two later and get most of your money back. i think i sold my first ipad a couple of years later for only £20 less than i paid for it. there's hardly any chance of being able to do that with other tablets. so as well as getting the item i actually want that does what i want it to do in a way that i prefer, the actual cost of ownership can work out less than buying a cheaper alternative, and with pretty good build quality it's less likely to break than cheaper plastic based models my ipad 3 is still fine for what i need. as i use the 3g/4g model the price jumps up a fair bit if i want new, so whilst i was considering getting the new model the current pricing isn't go great for me. i may get a deal on an older one but will probably wait a bit as there's really no need to upgrade for now |
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Think I'm going to get the Pro 9.7 in 128gb, it's actually not a lot more than I paid for my ipad 64gb, I don't actually remember the model of my ipad I think it's 2, the one that didn't last very long before they brought out the newer version. It's 4/5 years old and starting to slow down, a bit. But it's been great and I got my monies worth from it. It's probably the one bit of tech I'd miss should it break down.
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