If you have an iPad 1/2/3/4 it's a good update or any to update to the air models. Sadly the Pro is a let down for those who have the Air and are waiting for something decent. I'd like 3D Touch and 4K before I update.

A 4K screen or camera?

Well, that's all lovely. But it isn't made by Apple, so I wouldn't even consider buying it. And before I'm accused of being a fanboy I'd point out that I work in TV; I should estimate that around 80-90% of people who work in the media - at least in my experience - use Macs and iPads professionally. That's the way it is.

As for me, I bought the iPad Pro at Christmas, with the the keypad and the pencil. And it's bloody marvellous - by far the best iPad produced thus far and my day-to-day workhorse.

Maybe its just me, but I don't really get that line of thought.

If I but a tech product, be it phone, tablet, tv etc, I would reasonably expect it to last a good few years.

We have an iPad 3, so the new pro would be a pretty great update in terms of spec, performance and features.

But if we had an Air 2, I don't think I'd feel let down by the new pro, because I wouldn't expect each update to be enough of an update to warrant buying a new one.

I think that explains the big slow down in tablet sales - their USP, what they're really best for, is casual consumption around the house. And unfortunately for Apple and other producers of tablets, casual consumption around the home isn't the most demanding of tasks for a device, so most people will likely be upgrading less frequently. Probably more on a par with televisions or computers, rather than phones.

Sounds like a fanboy

Why would you not even consider a non-Apple product?

if nearly everything is based around a particular system and you use something else, you tend to find problems so it's best sticking to the same

i experienced a similar thing in working at a place that had all the plastic coloured imacs when they came out. every day there was a problem where they couldn't read an attachment or the recipient couldn't, and they had to use a windows pc to do accounts and payroll and a few other things. so they had these shiny computers that weren't well suited to what they did. they used to crash frequently too and pretty much every day someone got a non osx cd stuck in a drive and couldn't get it out, even though every time it happened someone sorted it and showed everyone else how to fix it, they couldn't remember the next day (i think it was a strange keyboard combo that forced the door open - or a paperclip)

in education apple has been a main choice in some circles, and i understand chromebooks are popular too as kids can't play about with them doing non schoolwork as much, and teachers can deliver work direct to devices easily. some of the chromebook devices look quite nice and some good deals at times but they've gimped them so much they are useless to me. i think they were going to do something so you could at least run linux but had they let people install windows i would have maybe got one

Sure - if being a fanboy means using a product for entirely valid practical reasons.

Can I ask a question, I'm in 2 minds wether to buy the pencil, I watched a review last night and the guy said it's handy if you just want to say draw a little sketch for somebody to explain something I think he was using the football offside rule as an example. Can you use it to draw onto documents, say pdf's etc.

That's a feature of the app, not the hardware. £79 is a lot of money to spend on something you aren't sure you need.

Hence why I ask the question

http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/...il-on-ipad-pro

So you can buy any stylus from a cheaper one to something more expensive like a wacom, adjont or pencil Fifty Three and you can get the same basic functionality.

No, the Pencil achieves much finer resolution of movement compared to a finger.

On another forum someone recommend this app:
PDF Expert 5 - Fill forms, annotate PDFs, sign documents by Readdle
https://appsto.re/gb/nGcwS.i

The pencil is great for sketching and there are apps where you can draw or add notes to documents. If I'm honest, it's not a necessity, but it is handy.

Did you not read my post?

But if appreciating quality, reliability and ease of use makes me a fanboy, then so be it.

I did read your post - why do you ask?

Appreciating quality, reliability and ease of use doesn't make you a fanboy. Not considering anything else IMHO does.

So anyone who buys any product having experienced years of quality, reliability and ease of use of a particular company's products makes them a fanboy?

So, to be quite clear here, you would describe my mother as a Dyson "fanboy"?

Correct?

If a company has provided good quality devices which have proven to be reliable then I don't think it's unreasonable for the purchaser not to consider another product. If it meets their needs and they are happy then I don't see why they should consider another product. I think if someone is experiencing issues with their products from said company and they refuse to consider alternatives then perhaps they can be considered a fanboy.

Exactly - I can't remember the last time we bought a kettle that wasn't made by Prestige.

I guess that makes my wife a Prestige "fanboy".

Unless, and I know this is might be controversial, its just that this is a specifically Apple thing.

^^ Just an Apple thing

I bought my Pro on Saturday, and it's certainly an upgrade, fantastic device, and set up was a breeze. Although I did struggle to remember all my passwords for various things.

No, not at all. Only buying something made by a manufacturer without considering any other options is what makes someone a fan boy.

If your mother only buys a Dyson each time then I would class her as a fangirl only if she doesn't consider an other options.

If you don't consider other options how do you even know what other options are out there that you may like but would never know about.

I have an iPad Air 2 which was an upgrade from an iPad 4. When I upgraded I had not had any problems with the iPad other than it getting a little slow so wanted to upgrade but would not simply buy the newer Apple product without considering my options.

I would not have thought your wife was a boy though

that's just your opinion though

there are many people who buy things they want or need who don't know too much about specs and details and don't care too much about them and just want something that works, and they may be inclined to chose the same brand as before as they know it, or chose what friends or family have as it's a known item. note the term fanBOYS as it's typically men who care more about the minute detail whereas girls typically don't care and don't know, but the same can be apllied to either gender. it's typically a relatively small number of people who bang on and on on forums that really care what someone else unrelated to them that they don't know in real life buy. there's a huge number of reasons why people come to a decision on buying something