All this 'fan' stuff is off topic. Start another thread if you wish.

Then our views on the definition of "fanboy" must differ. I take to refer to someone with an overly and even irrational enthusiasm for something.

That my mother has bought a Dyson for the last however many years because she has found them reliable and easy to use certainly doesn't make her any of those things.

I don't think a degree of loyalty to a company's products for entirely valid reasons makes anyone a fanboy.

Does this also mean my Dad who has always had an Android phone is an Android fanboy?

^^ Agree I class a fanboy as someone who will defend a product until their "virtual death" even when they have had faults in that product pointed out but still refuse to accept they're faults and still try to justify them.

I still struggle to see the logic here if your on the market for a new tablet why you would pay £499 for a 9.7" one. Surely if they brought out a 16gb it could bring the price down to £450?

What will happen is more older iPads will be sold or iPad minis as people can't afford Mac book prices.

Now if you buy a Pro today and update next year chances are it won't be worth much more than an Air 2 today.

I'm amazed they pulled the rug under people and brought out a 9.7" tablet and added a £100 premium with a Pro name. Surely if they want people to update they should aim for the tablet to be more affordable and knock £20 off the price? It's weird as the new components like camera and processor seen the SE come in as the cheapest IPhone yet but Apple has put a premium on components here.

£479 got you 64gb this time it won't even pay for a 32gb. I've come to the conclusion it's the worst value iPad yet. As for the larger ones might've ether value but you'd never going to use all that memory on an iPad. I'd love to hear anybody who can fill up a 128gb or 256gb iPad just no need even movies wise most are stored on the cloud

So yes I bet sales are down on the entry model £399 to £499 is a big jump and the Apple fans who would update yearly will think twice. Even at that I feel £500 quid is a rip off when the memory is less aswell.

Could I use the new ipad to replace my MacBook Pro?
How would you be able to get pics off it/on it with using a USB stick?

I love it when people keep telling us "you'll never use all that storage, there's the cloud", try using the cloud when your in the air, or on holiday/business trips. I tend to put at least 10-15 films on my devices, plus music etc. So there's 30-40gb gone without even trying.

I would buy the iPad Pro 9.7 inch if I had an iPad 4 or below of if I didn't have an iPad and wanted to get one. I have the iPad Air 2 in 128GB for which I paid £559. To get the same capacity in the iPad Pro 9.7 I'd need to spend £60 more. Coupled with the fact that I'm not interested in the pencil or the keyboard and that my iPad Air 2 is running just fine I won't be upgrading now. I think if they had left things the way they were in terms of pricing it would have been better. I'm still not sold on bringing the pro features to the 9.7 inch form factor.

The 12.7 inch pro is somewhat justifiably due to it's size. However if you buy the 128GB model it costs more than the entry level MacBook Air. If I'm going to spend £800 I might as well just get a Mac because it does more. I get that some people don't need a computer and that a tablet will suffice. However if they were the case and I had limited needs I wouldn't spend £800 on a tablet.

All my iOS devices are 128GB (iPhone and 2 X iPad). I've pretty much filled them all up. If the iPhone 7 plus comes in 256GB then that's the model I'll be getting.

It was just getting interesting as well...never mind

If only they came with some kind of slot that you put some kind of memeory thing into it...

^Why?, when we can have a 128GB or even a 256GB device, and don't need to soil our hands with memory cards.

I'm not a fan of SD cards. I prefer internal storage.

Just to pop back here re:my new iPad Pro. I love it & the speakers/audio are amazing, picture quality is awesome as well. I do not feel I have wasted my money at all.


It knocks spots off my old iPad, granted it was a iPad 2 but I am thrilled.

What difference does it make though?

And even if you personally don't like it surely having it as an option should be there.

Yep it's a great machine, and certainly an update over my ipad 2 as well. My pencil arrived yesterday, and it's very good. Bought a case off Amazon, they now have the Pro 9.7 cases for £10.

Well having used SD cards on android devices I find that internal storage is better because:


Not all apps can be stored on the SD card
For some apps part is stored on the SD card and part on the device

I find that this makes things quite messey.

Also I've had several SD cards become corrupted, rendering them useless and you loose access to all the data.

They also have the potential to be a security risk:

I once sold a phone. I wiped the phone but forgot to take out the SD card. Luckily there was nothing important on there just some music and videos.

They are good for storing external media like videos, photos and music but that's it really.

I think having a 16GB device with expandable storage is a horrible combination. I had a few android tablets/phones like this and I was always running out of internal storage space because I didn't have enough space for my apps.


So this is why I prefer internal storage. However I suppose there are some out there who want expandable storage on their iPads so I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have an SD card slot for those people.

Just have to add, having asked the same question earlier, that not one of those points applies to Windows tablets. A SD card is just another hard drive, exactly the same as if your PC has two hard drives. On mine the SD card is Drive D and you can save or install anything you want there.

It's interesting that you mention above that you have "filled up" your iPhone and want a bigger capacity but still refuse to admit that having expandable storage is a good idea.

I've never had a SC card corrupt. I know people who have had hard drives crash. SSD drives have a limited lifespan. Is there any evidence that SD cards are any less reliable?

And saying "They are good for storing external media like videos, photos and music but that's it really. " is like saying a raincoat is good for keeping you dry when it rains but "that's it really".

So SD cards are good for videos, photos and music? Which are the three types of file that take up the most space? And which tablet users use a lot of to watch movies, listen to music etc? But you still refuse to accept that having a SD card slot is a good idea?

You say none of the points apply. So you could not accidentally leave an SD card in a Windows tablet when you sell it?

Also i think you will find that they have said that they think it would be a good idea as an option for people who want one. It's just that they personally don't want to use one/

Yes. SSDs use wear levelling, so that writes are spread out over the flash cells and if one logical block is being repeatedly re-written, which tends to happen with filesystems not explicitly designed for flash, that logical block is remapped to a different physical block.

The controllers in cheap SD cards can't do any of that: if the host writes to a block, that's the block that's written to. To take an extreme example, Raspberry Pis used as servers eat SD cards unless you're careful, because without the wear levelling they end up constantly updating a few blocks and exceed the lifetime fairly quickly. You can bodge around it (for example, if you use btrfs and take and keep snapshots, you force the filesystem to use a fresh extent where otherwise it might overwrite an already-used one) but otherwise six months is actually doing quite well for a machine being used for some server-y role.

You have to push vast amounts of data, 24/7 for years, into an SSD to kill it because the wear is spread over all the cells. For an SD card, use as a LInux filesystem, even one which is read-mostly, for a few months can be enough (although hopefully in 2016 no-one is updating atimes any more).

So use a decent brand that does have wear levelling? Still far cheaper than paying Apple for the extra storage....

I said earlier I'd only use proper brands bought direct from Amazon or another retailer. Far too many fake cards out there.

If you're selling a Windows tablet and erasing the data the D drive is right next to the C drive in Explorer, pretty impossible to miss when deleting your files. The comment was they'd reset their phone but forgotten about the SD card which, on an Android phone, could happen. I can't see how anyone could make the same mistake on a Windows machine.

No, they said:

I once sold a phone. I wiped the phone but forgot to take out the SD card. Luckily there was nothing important on there just some music and videos.

So they didn't take the card out as they had forgotten about it. That could happen with any SD car no matter what OS.

My point was that with Windows the SD card and the internal C drive show up side by side in Windows Explorer. The SD card would be Drive D (not my image). How could you miss that? On Android and the way it hides folders and files I can see how that could happen. On a PC? Not really.

It's like having a PC with two hard drives and selling it and saying you forgot about the second drive.

And if you just do a Windows Reset and tick "clear all data" it will wipe all the dries, including the D Drive SD card.

All the poster is saying is that they "forgot to remove their SD card" not that they forgot to wipe it (they didn't do that either, but thats not the point their making). So you can do this on any device that uses removable media, regardless of wether it's an Android, Windows or iOS device. This has been told to you several times, something of which you keep ignoring and keep going on about "wiping the media".

And as I said but you ignore, if you do what they did, a factory reset/wipe, on a Windows tablet it will wipe the SD card as it treats it just like any other drive. So he could forget about the card but it would still have been wiped. His complaint was that Android factory reset wiped the phone but not the SD card, hence leaving personal data in the device. They did wipe the phone. On a Windows device that would wipe the SD card, hence not a security issue.