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Old 02-04-2016, 18:39
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When DTC took over the show was in a critical condition and although it is now the most talked about soap, SOC will still have a big mess to clean up too!

Who killed Lucy

A genius storyline and very cleverly told but the aftermath is in one big mess. I think this will have done the Beales more long-term damage than we thought and SOC might find where to take this family next as realistically Jane would have to go down, Bobby too, there is no Peter or Lucy and Cindy is gone....

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Lots of history had been rewritten. Gavin being Sharon's father and knowing nearly all the old hands such as Dot knowing Gavin, Claudette and Peggy. Surely SOC must think this is a pile of s***?!

Anymore?
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Old 02-04-2016, 18:46
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Absolutely. DTC has really damaged the show in my opinion. I've always said his era has been really hit n miss, and fairly tedious. He's had some absolutely fantastic moments, but some bloody awful ones too. So many characters have left in the past few years aswell (Which isn't DTC's fault, I know), so I wild also like to see Sean bring back a few past characters.

Some of the things I think SOC will need to work on, that DTC has done very badly on are: The pacing of storylines. Yes, have long running storylines, but have shorter stories running along them aswell. Block storytelling needs to seriously be worked on. Either axe characters like the Coker's and Donna or do some serious development on them. Fix a lot of the broken families, which can be helped by a few returnees, who have left holes in some of the show's families, and try his best to redeem characters like Ian and Jane. He definitely has a lot on his hand.
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Old 02-04-2016, 18:56
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I agree. DTC ruined so many people for me. Jane,Ian,Kat,Alfie,Ronnie,Roxy so many. Bobby was always a nice kid. It would have been more believable if it was Denny he had murdered someone because he has always been a spoilt brat.
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Old 02-04-2016, 19:19
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If u think he has a harder job, I feel sorry for any producer who takes over from Bryan Kirkwood on Hollyoaks when he decides to leave
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Old 02-04-2016, 19:47
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If u think he has a harder job, I feel sorry for any producer who takes over from Bryan Kirkwood on Hollyoaks when he decides to leave
The show will be axed before anyone else gets a chance.
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Old 02-04-2016, 19:51
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It's a complete mess. I think it's a real kick in the teeth to fans of the show that DTC had no intention whatsoever of resolving the Lucy mess, just always planned on leaving it for someone else to clean up.
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Old 02-04-2016, 19:57
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He will also have to deal with another big problem

Sir Danny Dyer. DTC's little pet. Maybe SOC might knock him down from that bloody pedestal of his?
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Old 02-04-2016, 20:34
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The negativity on here is quite draining at times.
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Old 02-04-2016, 20:41
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To be fair, a lot of the credit has to go to LN. Newman's actions may have made the show very boring, but easy to take over and rejuvenate - a much better state for DTC than if he took over straight from Kirkwood.

SOC will have a challenge - partially because very few of the characters are likeable, and the Who Killed Lucy story has damaged so many characters as has the continuity.
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Old 02-04-2016, 21:18
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The negativity on here is quite draining at times.
Constructive criticism is fine. Overall I think DTC did a great job in making me as a long term viewer want to watch the show again..

The show is in much better shape then when Kirkwood and Newman left.
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Old 02-04-2016, 21:30
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Constructive criticism is fine. Overall I think DTC did a great job in making me as a long term viewer want to watch the show again..

The show is in much better shape then when Kirkwood and Newman left.
I guess so. Drinking wine has made me sad!drunk tonight.

And I agree with your assessment on the state of the show. It's not perfect but it's nowhere near as bad as some people make out, IMO.
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Old 02-04-2016, 22:32
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He will also have to deal with another big problem

Sir Danny Dyer. DTC's little pet. Maybe SOC might knock him down from that bloody pedestal of his?
Says who?
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Old 02-04-2016, 22:36
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DTC has ruined a lot of characters and even characters which haven't been seen for a decade or more. I do think however this sock guy is getting a very good show handed to him now, and its a very stable show with a lot of potential if executed correctly. I hope he does good, and i think overal DTC has done excellent, but he has angered me with some of the things he has done.
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Old 02-04-2016, 22:55
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Poppycock. DTC has worked wonders with the show and while it's not perfect (nothing is), he is leaving the show in a much stronger state than when he inherited it. Even after Newman who I think did a really good job of trying to give her successor a clean slate, the show needed ALOT of work.

SOC is inheriting several really strong family units in the Carters, Moons (who will no doubt return), Mitchells (specifically Billy + Honey), Hubbard/Fox, and potentially the Fowlers. Also strong couples in Ian and Jane, Ronnie and Jack and potentially Pam and Les as well as those husband and wife pairings in the families listed above.

I think SOC will counting his lucky stars that he is getting the job now and not 2 or 3 years ago.
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Old 02-04-2016, 23:05
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It's a complete mess. I think it's a real kick in the teeth to fans of the show that DTC had no intention whatsoever of resolving the Lucy mess, just always planned on leaving it for someone else to clean up.
That's the shocker I agree. His major storyline was never going to be brought to a conclusion. I've said before though that I think DTC expected the audience to side with Ian and Jane in protecting Bobby. In his head it was concluded but the audience didn't see it that way. This nonsense about him going to boarding school was cobbled together. How the hell Max gets out without Jane leaving show I don't know.
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Old 02-04-2016, 23:47
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The Lucy storyline needs wrapping up. I think it will be with Jane's exit from the show in the Autumn. I don't see either Peter or Cindy Jnr returning to the show.
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Old 02-04-2016, 23:47
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He will have new ideas I look forward to seeing his stuff.
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Old 03-04-2016, 00:00
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I don't think the show is in bad shape compared to when he took it over. The Carters are a strong family, the Hubbards have lots of potential, Stacey and Martin are a good pairing, Kat and Alfie are together and loaded, and we have Billy/Honey, Pam/Les and Ronnie/Jack.

After getting off to a good start the Lucy murder flopped, but that was his worst crime apart from the imbalance of oldies to youngsters and a couple of axings that were mystifying.
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Old 03-04-2016, 02:13
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The Lucy storyline needs wrapping up. I think it will be with Jane's exit from the show in the Autumn. I don't see either Peter or Cindy Jnr returning to the show.
I can see Jnr Cindy returning.
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Old 03-04-2016, 03:21
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DTC didn't even have a tough job when he started EE. People forget that Lorraine Newman's last few months on the show were very good. She cleaned up Kirkwood's mess (which obviously led to boring plots), but she smoothed over the cracks and delivered Michael Moon's death very well. Christmas 2013 saw Janine's arrest and the Carters' arrival.

He revived EE but Newman helped pave the way despite getting a ton of flak for what she had to take care of.
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:15
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I am kidding. Lighten up
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Old 03-04-2016, 08:08
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It's a complete mess. I think it's a real kick in the teeth to fans of the show that DTC had no intention whatsoever of resolving the Lucy mess, just always planned on leaving it for someone else to clean up.
THIS
The initial Who Killed Lucy was brilliant and has now proved despite doubts that a whodunnit can last for about a year because the story isn't always at the forefront. But it's now going to have dragged on for over 2 years by the time Jake Wood comes back and even then it could be from inside a prison visiting room for a few months. And like J-B says, he NEVERTHELESS intended to end it.
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:36
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he's decimated the beales, i'll remember him for killing of lucy mistake imo, and hyping up stories only for them to pan out a damp squib.
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:49
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EastEnders is in a very good position. Anyone thinking otherwise doesn't know how TV works. The transition between execs will be an easy flow, perhaps the easiest since Santer took over from Harwood.

The problem with this forum is like I've said before, people with some odd vendetta against DTC using 20 odd accounts. Its so tedious and its becoming more and more obvious. Its most noticable in threads about Cora Cross and Kim Fox.
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Old 03-04-2016, 11:18
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EastEnders is in a very good position. Anyone thinking otherwise doesn't know how TV works. The transition between execs will be an easy flow, perhaps the easiest since Santer took over from Harwood.

The problem with this forum is like I've said before, people with some odd vendetta against DTC using 20 odd accounts. Its so tedious and its becoming more and more obvious. Its most noticable in threads about Cora Cross and Kim Fox.
Then please impart some of your infinite wisdom on us, because I don't think Eastenders is in a very good position, so clearly do not understand how television works.

Thanks.
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