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Does anyone think the carters are a forced family?
DTC really wanted us to like them straight away by overusing them and giving every storylines to them.
Don't get me wrong they are not a bad family but they feel forced and fake. The only carters I like is Linda, Buster, Shirley and sometimes Tina. Mick is annoying and his voice just annoys me. I also hate Nancy and Lee they are both weak characters. Nancy is annoying and Danny boy is just awful actor. The been on the show for 2 years and a half now and I still can't warm to them for some reason. The only reason why I can relate to the Hubbards and Cokers because they developed the characters before giving them storylines. I like both families .
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They have been overused but i dont think they are forced, they also have good chemistry which is why i think they work.
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DTC has forced the Carters down her throats every episode so we 'care' about them. I just have never felt anything for them because its all so forced and fake and too much. Every scene has some Carter sniffing there nose in.
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DTC has forced the Carters down her throats every episode so we 'care' about them. I just have never felt anything for them because its all so forced and fake and too much. Every scene has some Carter sniffing there nose in.
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They were forced from the beginning and it really made me turn against them.
Hopefully SOC handles them better. |
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There was no need for a johnny return either
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DTC has forced the Carters down her throats every episode so we 'care' about them. I just have never felt anything for them because its all so forced and fake and too much. Every scene has some Carter sniffing there nose in.
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No. You've got a core EE fan base who want used not new. Regurgitation of what's gone before appears to be what suits. Lists of who should be got rid of consist of new characters not stale ones. It's a EE phenomenon.
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Totally agree and a lot of times when there have been big episodes for other characters, the Carters get most of the screen time during them. I really hope the same doesn't happen during Peggy's final episodes but knowing DTC he'll shoehorn Mick, Linda and Shirley into it somehow.
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The Carter's aren't in every episode, and had a long period off screen last Summer.
Apart from Lee and Nancy, I think they are a good family. Mick and Linda have never cheated on each other, which is a rare thing. Babe makes a fantastic villain as well. |
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It's such a shame how EE have consistently underused its talented actors. For instance, Matt Di Angela was competent and appealing in "Hustle" but a poorly thought out story and limited dialogue has altered my view of him as an actor.
For me, the same applies to Danny Dyer. Clearly he is a talented actor with a huge catalogue of diverse roles under his belt, but the moody, dim, monotone character he is forced to play does his reputation no good at all. The forced cockney speak, downward looking, morose temperament is, I feel, underusing his talent. He might consider moving on before he becomes type cast - just another soap star mouthing other people's words.
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Totally agree and a lot of times when there have been big episodes for other characters, the Carters get most of the screen time during them. I really hope the same doesn't happen during Peggy's final episodes but knowing DTC he'll shoehorn Mick, Linda and Shirley into it somehow.
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I really don't subscribe to the notion that the Carters are still overused. Yes, they were overused at the beginning but that hasn't been the case in many months now.
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They have been overused but i dont think they are forced, they also have good chemistry which is why i think they work.
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I love the Carters, one of the best families in soap, the more scenes with them the better for me.
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They have been overused but i dont think they are forced, they also have good chemistry which is why i think they work.
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They're not as overused as they were towards the end of 2014 and the first six months of 2015. Back then, it was just relentless, every single episode bar a few, was literally all about them, and even if it wasn't about them, they would appear more in the episode than anyone else. For a new family, it was ridiculous, so yes I would definitely say they were a forced family, considering by that point they'd only been in the show for a year or so.
Summer 2015 was a nice break from them, but ever since then they've been used more and more and at the moment we're nearing levels of late 2014/early 2015 when there's just no break from them. Even this week with the whole Phil thing, they've still managed to steal the spotlight and make it all about them, and it was the same with Kathy's return, Kat's suicide attempt, Lucy's funeral and many more events. It's as if TPTB will use them as much as they can during any big EE event. To answer the question, yes they are a forced family without a doubt. Their never ending complicated history and karaoke nights are a nightmare. Don't get me wrong, I do like the characters of Mick, Shirley and Linda, however Babe is just a nasty piece of work and pointless, Nancy is a moaming brat and Lee is also pointless. Tina is dreadful these days and Buster floats around doing nothing. I do however like Johnny and am excited for his return. |
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I think they Are a good little unit.
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I think they are a very good family and are very close and believable. They're not as overexposed now as they were for the first half of 2014 but they're still very good. I think though the rape storyline dragged Mick and Linda down a lot and should have ended last year, so the scenes we got around Christmas where Shirley found out should have been aired months ago. What I like with the Carters is they do comedy and drama so well, for example the episode where Linda found Ollie had stopped breathing was a very good ep, amongst other episodes, yet they can do comedy storylines too. I don't think they are forced at all, okay they might have been overexposed at first but they've been toned down a lot so other characters have screen time.
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Other than one-off episodes (the introduction of Stan; the reveals that Shirley tried to drown Mick and is his mum, and the latter was not that big of a deal, it was merely the audience being let it on the secret), the Carters first snifter of a proper storyline was Dean raping Linda which started in October 2014. For most of 2014, they were used as light relief supporting all the other storylines in the show.
Fair enough they were on-screen a lot, necessary to bed the characters in, but they weren't given every storyline going. The big storylines from January-October 2014 were Ronnie killing Carl, Stacey's return, Carol's cancer, Lucy's murder, the arrival of Charlie Cotton and the mysterious 'death' of Nick and Phil and Shirley's affair/Phil and Sharon's games with each other, The Carters screen time did not impede on those storylines being told effectively. Okay Shirley is a Carter but her affair with Phil was her first storyline in ages and I assume this is more about the new ones introduced hence the claim they were forced on us as a family. It's also normal for characters running the Vic to appear in most episodes. It was the same for Den, Angie, Sharon, Grant, Peggy, Alfie and Chrissie. Even Eddie Royle. It's the show's central location and is usually seen at least once in every episode. If the Carters had got every storyline going in 2014 then I would see the basis for claiming they were forced on us, that's what happened with Stella in Coronation Street, but most of their screen time was light-based until the rape. There are two occasions the Carters genuinely were full on, the first was October 2014-Mid January 2015 (although it is fairly normal for whoever's fronting the Christmas storyline to dominate those few months), and again post-live week until May. The latter was a problematic time with Stan's death and the continued rape fall-out , it was all a bit intense and relentlessly dark and if there was ever a time I came close to tiring of the Carters it was then. After May 2015 they went quiet for a few months, barely even appearing, and when they did come back on-screen it wasn't with heavy material, just occasional reminders of where the characters were at and in particular that Shirley and Mick missed being a part of each other's lives. The week of Dean's comeuppance at new year gone was really their first bit of dramatic material since May 2015. That was one week followed by another 3 months of non-heavy material until this Ollie storyline started last month. When people say the Carters have had too much thrown at them, I wonder if they feel the same about other characters who've been through loads more. It's a quirk of the genre. In their first two years, they essentially had two big storylines which at times intertwined (the rape and Shirley being Mick's mum) and this is their third and something different to the first two. It's worth noting that the Mitchells/Beales were overused for a lot longer than the Carters from July 2015 until December 2015. In 2014, DTC seemed to have a good balance of stories, but last year the Carters, Mitchells and Beales were the sole focus for months at a time with nothing else getting a look in and that is not good IMO. EPs have always had their favourites but the show works best when there's a few storylines on the go. |
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The majority of fans prefer the long-serving cast opposed to the new. The sooner the producers accept this fact the better. The past is basically the way forward with soaps these days.
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The majority of fans prefer the long-serving cast opposed to the new. The sooner the producers accept this fact the better. The past is basically the way forward with soaps these days.
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Yes and that blame lie at DTC and co door, trying to over egg the pudding with the family has effectively made them feel like they're forced down our throats, their inclusion as a family unit hasn't really helped either imo, they not ones to have storylines outside their own family and most of it based around Mick and Linda and their dramas and woes.
We are treated to the cheer up Linda sub plot that pops up every few weeks and the trying to get the family back together sub plot after another mindless argument. It's boring and repetive. |
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Summer 2015 was a nice break from them, but ever since then they've been used more and more and at the moment we're nearing levels of late 2014/early 2015 when there's just no break from them.
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Don't get me wrong, I do like the characters of Mick, Shirley and Linda, however Babe is just a nasty piece of work and pointless, Nancy is a moaming brat and Lee is also pointless. Tina is dreadful these days and Buster floats around doing nothing. I do however like Johnny and am excited for his return.
Nancy is very marmite on here though Maddy has won two awards for the role so we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that DS is representative of overall opinion. Danny and Kellie have also won their share of awards for the show. I see a fair bit of praise for Babe and Buster here and elsewhere also. It's worth remembering that a lot was riding on the Carters being a success, the show was the pits before they came along and a clear message that change was afoot was needed hence the bold move of installing a new family in the Vic led by Danny Dyer who already had a big media profile and was someone people either loved or hated. A lot of people thought Danny would do a year and that would be it. Not only did he come in playing against type, with Mick becoming popular as a result, but he's now into his third year on the show. |
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They're OK now but they need to stop the Mick, Linda and Shirley angst. I'm so sick of Mick and Shirley all the time
![]() Mick is a vile man for his disgusting treatment to Nancy. Shirley's still selfish and you know what they say, "a leopard never change its spots". Linda is slightly bearable but she is so OTT. Babe is deliciously evil and Tina is an immature 40 year old woman . Don't give a damn about Nancy and Lee. |
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