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Old 04-09-2016, 13:48
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Shame that there doesn't seem to be much in the way of appreciation for Kobe Bryant and his career, he really should be up for the lifetime achievement award.
In a domestic league. Had very little impact outside of basketball in the USA. Granted, he was probably was in a couple of Olympic gold medal teams
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Old 04-09-2016, 13:53
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Shame that there doesn't seem to be much in the way of appreciation for Kobe Bryant and his career, he really should be up for the lifetime achievement award.
Basketball is a sport with practically zero following in the UK though, it would be like giving the award to a handball or water polo player.
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Old 04-09-2016, 14:19
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Basketball is a sport with practically zero following in the UK though, it would be like giving the award to a handball or water polo player.
I'm slightly surprised Basketball has never caught on, most leisure centres have a court and it doesn't require any special equipment yet for some reason people just aren't interested.
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Old 04-09-2016, 14:48
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I'm slightly surprised Basketball has never caught on, most leisure centres have a court and it doesn't require any special equipment yet for some reason people just aren't interested.
We used to play it at school, hated it with a passion...still do. Non contact team sport which made it so dull to play.
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Old 04-09-2016, 15:35
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We used to play it at school, hated it with a passion...still do. Non contact team sport which made it so dull to play.
Same here. It's one of the very few sports that I've just never been able to get interested in.
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Old 04-09-2016, 15:41
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Basketball is a sport with practically zero following in the UK though, it would be like giving the award to a handball or water polo player.
There are plenty of leagues up send down the country, but this is beside the point somewhat, as Kobe is a true legend of the sport, and he would definitely deserve to be recognised by such an award as the lifetime achievement one, as he is perhaps the most closest to Jordan from the modern day players.
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Old 04-09-2016, 15:43
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In a domestic league. Had very little impact outside of basketball in the USA. Granted, he was probably was in a couple of Olympic gold medal teams
Some people have put forward Steve Davies' name for this award, but is he really more famous outside of the UK then Kobe??

Both have had terrific careers no doubt about that, however your put down or criticism towards Kobe, puts Davies into some perspective.
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Old 04-09-2016, 15:49
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Some people have put forward Steve Davies' name for this award, but is he really more famous outside of the UK then Kobe??

Both have had terrific careers no doubt about that, however your put down or criticism towards Kobe, puts Davies into some perspective.
How famous they are outside of the U.K. Is totally irrelevant as this is the BBC Sports Personality Lifetime Achievement we are talking about.
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Old 04-09-2016, 16:40
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Hamilton shouldn't be anywhere near this award so with any luck it'll go to Mo Farah.
Not this year in terms of winning it but another F1 title will see him short listed.
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Old 04-09-2016, 20:10
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Not this year in terms of winning it but another F1 title will see him short listed.
Who ever he would replace would be harshly done by. The panel will have the hardest challenge that they have ever had compiling a list of 12. The 2012 list was far far easier to do than this one. Good Luck to those panel members but im sure whatever they decide will be met with criticism, which is unfortunate but seems very likely.
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Old 04-09-2016, 23:51
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Not this year in terms of winning it but another F1 title will see him short listed.
Unfortunately it probably will, but it's hardly an achievement when he's driving a car that's years ahead of the others in terms of development.

It would be like giving Mo Farah rollerskates and then putting a "freeze" on rollerskate development for the other athletes.
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Old 05-09-2016, 04:19
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Phelps will probably get overseas and I wouldn't criticise that. But I don't think his achievements are any more special than Bolt's. Great swimmers often win at least 4 or 5 medals in an Olympics. It's far too testing for track events for that to happen. As Spitz and Phelps have showed, you get a truly exceptional swimmer every generation. Someone like Bolt comes along after several generations.
Agree with all of the above. And I'd much prefer Bolt to win on the (admittedly somewhat irrational) basis that at least he might know what the heck the award was! He enjoys the fact that he's popular in this country; Phelps is probably barely aware we exist

Just to belatedly add to the Trott/Kenny question: I think she's more memorable as she looks quite sweet, even girly, yet clearly has nerves of steel - the contrast makes her stand out.

And, more importantly, I think that voters tend to be particularly impressed with multi-eventers in general, plus they can get invested over a period of time, checking to see when the next race is, building up the tension in the knowledge that there are multiple ways in which things can go wrong. Maybe it's just me, but I just think all that leaves more of an impression in the mind.
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Old 05-09-2016, 05:21
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I've just had one of those ideas that seems brilliant in the middle of the night but will probably look very silly in the morning. But, hey, I'm used to looking daft on these boards, so I may as well go for it

What about having an additional award for partnerships? I vaguely remember Torvill and Dean winning a team award and thinking it was a little odd as, while teamwork is clearly vital, the dynamic between two people is very different to that across a group. And it would help solve the problem of squeezing in all those notable Olympic achievers. You could have:

LaugherMears - first ever diving gold

Glover/Stanning - defending an Olympic title in an endurance event and winning multiple world champs really shouldn't go unacknowledged

Clark/Mills - I know nothing about sailing but, erm, it widens the range of sports recognised?

Then you could be justified in including Grainger despite the 'only' silver thing, on the grounds of longevity; there are also various other medalists you could look at for different reasons, plus Paralympians

Outside of the Olympics, both Jamie Murray and Heather Watson hold Grand Slam titles (I'm choosing to ignore the fact that they had foreign partners ) and who knows what might come out of the Davis Cup? And there must be other sports which might throw out a couple of potential nominees.

Just a thought...
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:00
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I've just had one of those ideas that seems brilliant in the middle of the night but will probably look very silly in the morning. But, hey, I'm used to looking daft on these boards, so I may as well go for it

What about having an additional award for partnerships? I vaguely remember Torvill and Dean winning a team award and thinking it was a little odd as, while teamwork is clearly vital, the dynamic between two people is very different to that across a group. And it would help solve the problem of squeezing in all those notable Olympic achievers. You could have:

LaugherMears - first ever diving gold

Glover/Stanning - defending an Olympic title in an endurance event and winning multiple world champs really shouldn't go unacknowledged

Clark/Mills - I know nothing about sailing but, erm, it widens the range of sports recognised?

Then you could be justified in including Grainger despite the 'only' silver thing, on the grounds of longevity; there are also various other medalists you could look at for different reasons, plus Paralympians

Outside of the Olympics, both Jamie Murray and Heather Watson hold Grand Slam titles (I'm choosing to ignore the fact that they had foreign partners ) and who knows what might come out of the Davis Cup? And there must be other sports which might throw out a couple of potential nominees.

Just a thought...
2014 was the last time a pair was nominated, that was Kelly Gallagher and Charlotte Evans who won gold in skiing at the winter Paralympics. It is possible that Laugher and Mears get a nomination and it is a worthy comment to make about partnerships. It is highly unlikely that the BBC will introduce a partnerships award but it definitely is possible that a partnership could get an nomination.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:27
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I've just had one of those ideas that seems brilliant in the middle of the night but will probably look very silly in the morning. But, hey, I'm used to looking daft on these boards, so I may as well go for it

What about having an additional award for partnerships? I vaguely remember Torvill and Dean winning a team award and thinking it was a little odd as, while teamwork is clearly vital, the dynamic between two people is very different to that across a group. And it would help solve the problem of squeezing in all those notable Olympic achievers. You could have:

LaugherMears - first ever diving gold

Glover/Stanning - defending an Olympic title in an endurance event and winning multiple world champs really shouldn't go unacknowledged

Clark/Mills - I know nothing about sailing but, erm, it widens the range of sports recognised?

Then you could be justified in including Grainger despite the 'only' silver thing, on the grounds of longevity; there are also various other medalists you could look at for different reasons, plus Paralympians

Outside of the Olympics, both Jamie Murray and Heather Watson hold Grand Slam titles (I'm choosing to ignore the fact that they had foreign partners ) and who knows what might come out of the Davis Cup? And there must be other sports which might throw out a couple of potential nominees.

Just a thought...
Torville and Dean won the main award. 1984
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:44
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Torville and Dean won the main award. 1984
Does anyone know how that worked out for them,did they get an award each, or did they have to share the one award?
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:47
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Torville and Dean won the main award. 1984
So they did. Also the team award in 1982 and 1983. So apparently their talents included being able to mutate from being multiple personalities into a single one.

I would have thought that this highlights the fact that partnerships are a bit of a grey area and it would be nice to get it straightened out.
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Old 05-09-2016, 11:19
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Since 2012 a panel decide the team award so we won't have any scenarios like above again I feel. Leicester are 1/10 now so virtually guaranteed it

Cannot find odds on overseas now so I reckon Bolt is such a big favourite
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Old 05-09-2016, 16:42
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Since 2012 a panel decide the team award so we won't have any scenarios like above again I feel. Leicester are 1/10 now so virtually guaranteed it

Cannot find odds on overseas now so I reckon Bolt is such a big favourite
I didn't mean to suggest we'd get the same sort of anomaly again, just that I'm not the only person who has ever considered a team and a partnership to be two different types of entity.

I know I'm sounding like I'm on some sort of rabid one-woman mission to make partnerships a SPOTY category but I'm not that fussed really. In fact, in many years, I think it would be difficult to put together a worthy shortlist. It's just that this year there seems to be an embarrassment of riches in that area and many will not be recognised, which seems a shame.

I agree Leicester are nailed on, which I have absolutely no problem with, I would just like to see a few more of the people I mentioned earlier get their little moment in the spotlight come awards night. I know they will be mentioned in round-ups but I imagine the Olympic one(s) will whizz by at a pretty dizzying pace
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:09
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I didn't mean to suggest we'd get the same sort of anomaly again, just that I'm not the only person who has ever considered a team and a partnership to be two different types of entity.

I know I'm sounding like I'm on some sort of rabid one-woman mission to make partnerships a SPOTY category but I'm not that fussed really. In fact, in many years, I think it would be difficult to put together a worthy shortlist. It's just that this year there seems to be an embarrassment of riches in that area and many will not be recognised, which seems a shame.

I agree Leicester are nailed on, which I have absolutely no problem with, I would just like to see a few more of the people I mentioned earlier get their little moment in the spotlight come awards night. I know they will be mentioned in round-ups but I imagine the Olympic one(s) will whizz by at a pretty dizzying pace
No it's a very interesting point you bring up. I had no idea Torville and Dean had won team award too so it is unclear as to what constitutes a team for that award. I reckon The partnerships you mention will be in contention for main award when they whittle down the candidates
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:26
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I didn't mean to suggest we'd get the same sort of anomaly again, just that I'm not the only person who has ever considered a team and a partnership to be two different types of entity.

I know I'm sounding like I'm on some sort of rabid one-woman mission to make partnerships a SPOTY category but I'm not that fussed really. In fact, in many years, I think it would be difficult to put together a worthy shortlist. It's just that this year there seems to be an embarrassment of riches in that area and many will not be recognised, which seems a shame.
As you said outside Olympic years it would be unlikely to justify having a separate category.
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:13
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The partnerships you mention will be in contention for main award when they whittle down the candidates
True, though I think they'll get lost in the crowd. Just far too many outstanding Olympians this year, dammit - it's a hard life
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:03
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True, though I think they'll get lost in the crowd. Just far too many outstanding Olympians this year, dammit - it's a hard life
Not forgetting the Parlympians that will hopefully be included in the list as well!
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Old 06-09-2016, 19:14
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The poster mentioned the Paralympians in an earlier post, above, and they have been consistently referenced throughout this thread.

They aren't being forgotten at all so there's no need for a specific post about it.
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Old 06-09-2016, 20:45
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The poster mentioned the Paralympians in an earlier post, above, and they have been consistently referenced throughout this thread.

They aren't being forgotten at all so there's no need for a specific post about it.
That isnt a malicious post in anyway. Why does it need your slightly angry response?

I dont think anyone minds that Paralympians are being mentioned frequently and if you are new to a thread it doesnt mean that you should read every post before making your own.
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