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Old 20-09-2016, 22:23
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If there is a 12 short list ? We can also assume there will be 3-4 paralympians and 2-3 outside olympic sport ? This is interesting
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Old 20-09-2016, 23:53
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Ok , so it's fair to say this is a far far more difficult year to put a short list together
A little confused why you would think that, 2012 is generally regarded as the greatest year for British sport in modern times.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...ng-year-review

Outside of the Olympics/Paralympics, where we won slightly more medals but fewer gold, it has been a good but not great year.

The number of potential candidates in 2012 was very high and some people that would have won in other years didn't even make the short list. So no, its not fair to say it's far far more difficult this year.

In regard your point on Brownlee I can only repeat what I said previously: SPOTY is NOT just about who won the most medals or had the greatest victory, it is about the impact a sports person has on the public, therefore saying he won gold in 2012 and only defended his title this year is to miss the point. The level of impact his victory and more recent events have had a far greater impact this time around. Far greater than some multiple medal winners at the Olympics/Paralympics. Plus it's a bit daft to say he only won one gold medal when that is the maximum he can achieve at the olympics, basically he will never meet your criteria regardless of what he does.
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:07
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A little confused why you would think that, 2012 is generally regarded as the greatest year for British sport in modern times.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...ng-year-review

Outside of the Olympics/Paralympics, where we won roughly the same number of medals but fewer gold, it has been a good but not great year.

The number of potential candidates in 2012 was very high and some people that would have won in other years didn't even make the short list. So no, its not fair to say it's far far more difficult this year.

In regard your point on Brownlee I can only repeat what I said previously: SPOTY is NOT just about who won the most medals or had the greatest victory, it is about the impact a sports person has on the public, therefore saying he won gold in 2012 and only defended his title this year is to miss the point. The level of impact his victory and more recent events have had a far greater impact this time around. Far greater than some multiple medal winners at the Olympics/Paralympics. Plus it's a bit daft to say he only won one gold medal when that is the maximum he can achieve at the olympics, basically he will never meet your criteria regardless of what he does.
Not my criteria - I'm just trying to justify in my head how the panel might put the 12 together ? They must know there will be stick on who should and shouldn't be on the list , all I'm suggesting is the fact that he was not on the list in 2012 does that make there job easier ? I'm only trying to second guess the thought process of the short list .
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:09
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Not my criteria - I'm just trying to justify in my head how the panel might put the 12 together ? They must know there will be stick on who should and shouldn't be on the list , all I'm suggesting is the fact that he was not on the list in 2012 does that make there job easier ? I'm only trying to second guess the thought process of the short list .
I fail to see how it has any relevance to this year, as the circumstances are completely different.
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:16
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I fail to see how it has any relevance to this year, as the circumstances are completely different.
How are the circumstances different ? it's a Olympic year with Olympic winners
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:23
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How are the circumstances different - it's a Olympic year with Olympic winners
Lets see:

- Triathlon is a sport growing in popularity and profile
- The Brownlee Brothers have become increasingly well known
- The BBC did a documentary feature on them before the games which bought them to even wider promenance.
- Brownlee DEFENDED his title after a difficult time with injuries his brother was second.
- There were front page pictures of the Brownlee Brothers the day after the race and it was one of the defining images of the games.
- The more recent incident with the Brownlee Brothers made international news headlines that far transcend their sport and was a game changer in terms of impact


The issue here is you seem utterly unable to look beyond pure sporting attainment and that is NOT what SPOTY is about. It is about the sports people who made an impact on the public conciseness. The incident at the weekend touched people who don't even follow sport. It was a moment that transcended sport. Therefore he should be on the shortlist.
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:40
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Lets see:

- Triathlon is a sport growing in popularity and profile
- The Brownlee Brothers have become increasingly well known
- The BBC did a documentary feature on them before the games which bought them to even wider promenance.
- Brownlee DEFENDED his title after a difficult time with injuries his brother was second.
- There were front page pictures of the Brownlee Brothers the day after the race and it was one of the defining images of the games.
- The more recent incident with the Brownlee Brothers made international news headlines that far transcend their sport and was a game changer in terms of impact


The issue here is you seem utterly unable to look beyond pure sporting attainment and that is NOT what SPOTY is about. It is about the sports people who made an impact on the public conciseness. The incident at the weekend touched people who don't even follow sport. It was a moment that transcended sport. Therefore he should be on the shortlist.
Exactly - you will be upset if he does not make the list ? In the same way root didn't last year and there was a lot of anger ! All I'm saying is he did all that in 2012 and didn't make the list - why ? And could that be a factor in the process , remember when the panel sit down in two months time they may not remember the powerful images of the weekend but just the medal stats , not many people actually watch triathlon sport , sorry I'm just saying
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:45
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Exactly - you will be upset if he does not make the list ? In the same way root didn't last year and there was a lot of anger ! All I'm saying is he did all that in 2012 and didn't make the list - why ? And could that be a factor in the process , remember when the panel sit down in two months time they may not remember the powerful images of the weekend but just the medal stats , not many people actually watch triathlon sport , sorry I'm just saying
Not really, no, because it hardly matters in the scheme of things.

In 2012 he was just one of many gold medal winners, this year he stands out for a number of reasons. To not be able to see why in spite of the reasons being pointed out to you makes me think you are being deliberately obtuse so I won't bother to try and discuss it with you further.
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:50
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Not really, no, because it hardly matters in the scheme of things.

In 2012 he was just one of many gold medal winners, this year he stands out for a number of reasons. To not be able to see why in spite of the reasons being pointed out to you makes me think you are being deliberately obtuse so I won't bother to try and discuss it with you further.
You seem to be taking this way to personal - it's a sports personality thread and I'm only asking how the short list process may be compiled with so many winners , YOU seem to think I'm talking to you personally , you need to get that thought out of your head ! It's a opinion thread , nothing more .
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Old 21-09-2016, 07:58
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Ok , so it's fair to say this is a far far more difficult year to put a short list together ,so I'm thinking if it was easy enough to leave him out of the 2012 short list then to spare a headache it's fair to say it will be easy to drop him again ?
Why should compiling the list be easy? It should be about getting the best list, not doing it in the quickest time.

Alisdair didn't make the top 12 in 2012, but a lot of people were disappointed, as they expected him to be on it. And as many have pointed out repeatedly, triathlon is a lot more popular in 2016 than it was in 2012, and part of that is because of his success in 2012 and in the interim.

I'm of the view that athletes should be judged on what they did this year, so he doesn't get bonus points for previous medals, yet Ali and most other defending champions were under more pressure this year, which is relevant. Being able to prove it wasn't a fluke is also relevant.

I don't know of Ali will make the short-list, but ruling him out because he one 'just one gold' is nonsense.

It's inevitable that winning a single gold isn't an automatic addition to the list, so the quality of the achievement becomes relevant, as well as other achievements during the year, which might include a second medal at the games, or achievements away from Rio.
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Old 21-09-2016, 08:25
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for the last time - I'm just trying to second guess the way the panel may or may not put the short list together , would the same school of thought be used in the selection process as 2012 ? And we all know people are going to be disappointed , the committee knows this ,so I'm just guessing the thought process of the short list , there is no need to get angry it's just my own opinion !!!!
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Old 21-09-2016, 08:40
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Current Sky Bet odds since the Paralympics

Andy Murray 9/4
Mo Farah 11/4
Alistair Brownlee 5/1
Laura Trott 6/1
Nick Skelton 14/1
Gareth Bale 16/1
Max Whitlock 25/1
Anthony Joshua 33/1
Jason Kenny 33/1
Lewis Hamilton 50/1
Chris Froome 66/1
Jamie Vardy 66/1
Adam Peaty 80/1
Justin Rose 80/1
Jonnie Peacock - 80/1

Wiggins, Frampton, Dujardin, Willett, Laugher, Cox, Itoje, Adams all 100/1

Storey, Simmonds, Jones all 150/1

Big change for Alistair Brownlee since he helped his brother over the line at the weekend
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Old 21-09-2016, 09:06
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Current Sky Bet odds since the Paralympics

Andy Murray 9/4
Mo Farah 11/4
Alistair Brownlee 5/1
Laura Trott 6/1
Nick Skelton 14/1
Gareth Bale 16/1
Max Whitlock 25/1
Anthony Joshua 33/1
Jason Kenny 33/1
Lewis Hamilton 50/1
Chris Froome 66/1
Jamie Vardy 66/1
Adam Peaty 80/1
Justin Rose 80/1
Jonnie Peacock - 80/1

Wiggins, Frampton, Dujardin, Willett, Laugher, Cox, Itoje, Adams all 100/1

Storey, Simmonds, Jones all 150/1

Big change for Alistair Brownlee since he helped his brother over the line at the weekend
Adam peaty 5/1 only 3 weeks ago he too was originally 100/1 and shortened within 2 days now drifted back out to 80/1 and skeletons on the drift , very interesting betting there has been a few short priced contenders who are now big prices !!
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Old 21-09-2016, 09:12
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Danny Willet was 4/1 a few months ago what happened to all the betting action on him ?
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Old 21-09-2016, 09:14
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Danny Willet was 4/1 a few months ago what happened to all the betting action on him ?
Willett no chance of it... I'd back Mo.
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Old 21-09-2016, 09:23
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There seems to be a pattern of contenders who free fall in the betting to single figures then drift like a raft out into the ocean again ! I thought Jason kenny was the man then max ! They seem to be the flavour for 5 minutes , I'm sure in a few weeks we will see a different list of players in the betting market .
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Old 21-09-2016, 10:22
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I wonder how much of an impact the Ryder Cup will have on the right odds if Europe do well and retain the cup?
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Old 21-09-2016, 10:43
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I wonder how much of an impact the Ryder Cup will have on the right odds if Europe do well and retain the cup?
I'm going to say a small impact, but it's a fairly even contest, it's not a huge David v Goliath battle. If we have to come back as we did a few years back then perhaps, but it has to be something like that.

The one person missing from the list above that saddens me some what is Rachel Atherton. She's just won her 4th Mountain Bike Downhill title after going the whole World Cup series undefeated, which was a first. As Mountain Bike downhill isn't in the Olympics very she gets little coverage except the odd story on the BBC website. However, her acheivements are outstanding and as good as any on the list above.
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Old 21-09-2016, 13:00
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Danny Willet was 4/1 a few months ago what happened to all the betting action on him ?
A whole stack of Olympic gold fell on his head.
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Old 21-09-2016, 15:04
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for the last time - I'm just trying to second guess the way the panel may or may not put the short list together , would the same school of thought be used in the selection process as 2012 ? And we all know people are going to be disappointed , the committee knows this ,so I'm just guessing the thought process of the short list , there is no need to get angry it's just my own opinion !!!!
I think they'll judge the candidates for this year on their own merits. Their job is to do a shortlist for 2016, no reason to refer back to what a different panel's decisions were in 2012.
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Old 21-09-2016, 15:14
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There seems to be a pattern of contenders who free fall in the betting to single figures then drift like a raft out into the ocean again ! I thought Jason kenny was the man then max ! They seem to be the flavour for 5 minutes , I'm sure in a few weeks we will see a different list of players in the betting market .
I suspect the reality is that very little money is staked on SPOTY until the last few weeks before the award is announced so a few bets here & there can make a big difference to the odds.
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Old 21-09-2016, 15:49
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Exactly my point ' if you can guess the short list now then a few quid can be made ( IE forecast ) I guess the only two names we can assume 100% will be on that list will be Murray and farah SO only another 10 names to find
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Old 21-09-2016, 18:49
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A whole stack of Olympic gold fell on his head.
Winning the Masters should still guarantee a nomination.

Anthony Joshua's odds seem a little short, the IBF title is relatively junior and he could possibly lose it fighting just before the nominations are announced at the end of November.
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Old 21-09-2016, 19:12
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Chris froome is 66/1 but Gareth bale is 16/1 ? None of that makes a lick of sence to me ?? - a treble winning Tour de France winner 66/1 madness
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:15
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Chris froome is 66/1 but Gareth bale is 16/1 ? None of that makes a lick of sence to me ?? - a treble winning Tour de France winner 66/1 madness
A Tour de France winner and also a bronze medal winner at the Olympics, I think deserves shorter odds then Bale to be fair.
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