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Re Froome - If he was on the list, then it would have to be in place of another cyclist, surely. But which cyclist would you take out to replace him with ?
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Vardy is the obvious weak link, his record scoring streak came at the end of 2015 (but wasn't nominated for it) and has only got two league goals so far this season.
Also Froome is a road cyclist while the rest are track cyclists so no real duplication. 1 - That defeats the objective of it being SPORTS Personality of the Year 2 - It would deflate the cycling vote for a start I am not saying what Chris Froome has done isn't incredible, because it is. But has he done any more this year compared to the past two years when he has come nowhere in the results ? ( I am genuinely asking that as I honestly don't know ). I think Froome's exclusion is because there are enough cyclists already. As for Vardy he won the Player of the Year award and helped a 5000/1 team win the league title so he did something rather special too. SPOTY isn't just about Rio, the fact that Andy Murray will walk it shows that. |
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Cox third, Mo second, and Murray first would be my final three, bit of a cop out to include people who were not in Rio like Bale and Vardy ahead of far more deserving people like Cockcroft, and Froome.
Although personally I wouldn't have had Vardy anywhere near it. Bale is fair enough. |
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I wouldn't have any England players who were at Euro2016!
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SPOTY isn't just about Rio, the fact that Andy Murray will walk it shows that.
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I am not saying what Chris Froome has done isn't incredible, because it is. But has he done any more this year compared to the past two years when he has come nowhere in the results ? ( I am genuinely asking that as I honestly don't know ). I think Froome's exclusion is because there are enough cyclists already.
However he also came second in the Vuelta a España (another of the three Grand Tours). He also won the Critérium du Dauphiné and an Olympic Bronze in the Time Trial. |
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Add me to those that are hugely surprised that Froome isn't on the list
Winning the TdeF must be on a par with any other sporting achievement Couldn't see him winning the award but also cant see how there could be 12 others in front of him |
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I'm gutted Johnnie Peacock wasn't listed. He would have got my vote for sure.
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Re Froome - If he was on the list, then it would have to be in place of another cyclist, surely. But which cyclist would you take out to replace him with ?
Also which category are you putting Cox in, cyclist, athletics, or both?? |
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The sport is still cycling. If you have Froome in for another then you would have 5 cyclists in the field. A third of the nominations.
1 - That defeats the objective of it being SPORTS Personality of the Year 2 - It would deflate the cycling vote for a start I am not saying what Chris Froome has done isn't incredible, because it is. But has he done any more this year compared to the past two years when he has come nowhere in the results ? ( I am genuinely asking that as I honestly don't know ). I think Froome's exclusion is because there are enough cyclists already. As for Vardy he won the Player of the Year award and helped a 5000/1 team win the league title so he did something rather special too. SPOTY isn't just about Rio, the fact that Andy Murray will walk it shows that. Cycling is our strongest sport, if five deserve to be nominated then they should be. (Also Cox was nominated for winning in two separate sports, had both golds come in cycling she probably wouldn't have made the list). Vardy was part of a team effort which is recognised in a separate category, otherwise you may as well nominate Danny Drinkwater and all. He wasn't even the highest scorer in the Premier League last season. What more do you expect Froome to do other than winning the most important cycle race in the world? Apparently also being an Olympic medallist isn't good enough either. As others have said by not nominating Froome it almost seems as if the BBC is casting doubt and suspicion on his achievements. If poor performance in past SPOTY results is to be a factor Mo Farah wouldn't be nominated either, he's never managed to get even 10% of the vote despite his achievements. Listing Trott under her married name might cost her a few votes from people not realising who she is. |
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Why? It's not the Olympic Sports Personality award.
Although personally I wouldn't have had Vardy anywhere near it. Bale is fair enough. |
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The sport is still cycling. If you have Froome in for another then you would have 5 cyclists in the field. A third of the nominations.
1 - That defeats the objective of it being SPORTS Personality of the Year 2 - It would deflate the cycling vote for a start I am not saying what Chris Froome has done isn't incredible, because it is. But has he done any more this year compared to the past two years when he has come nowhere in the results ? ( I am genuinely asking that as I honestly don't know ). I think Froome's exclusion is because there are enough cyclists already. As for Vardy he won the Player of the Year award and helped a 5000/1 team win the league title so he did something rather special too. SPOTY isn't just about Rio, the fact that Andy Murray will walk it shows that. If we have a plethora of supremely talented cyclists, who have had a tremendous year, then that should be celebrated, not marked down as a negative for one or more of the individuals concerned. We are talking about 2016 here, not 2015, 2014 or any other year, so what a person tallied in another year is irrelevant really to the voting of this year. |
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How does it defeat the objectve?
Cycling is our strongest sport, if five deserve to be nominated then they should be. (Also Cox was nominated for winning in two separate sports, had both golds come in cycling she probably wouldn't have made the list). Vardy was part of a team effort which is recognised in a separate category, otherwise you may as well nominate Danny Drinkwater and all. He wasn't even the highest scorer in the Premier League last season. What more do you expect Froome to do other than winning the most important cycle race in the world? Apparently also being an Olympic medallist isn't good enough either. As others have said by not nominating Froome it almost seems as if the BBC is casting doubt and suspicion on his achievements. If poor performance in past SPOTY results is to be a factor Mo Farah wouldn't be nominated either, he's never managed to get even 10% of the vote despite his achievements. Listing Trott under her married name might cost her a few votes from people not realising who she is. Look I don't care who the 16 are. I support the decision. They could have picked 16 swimmers and I would have said "well done them" because saying "well I would" or "I think they should have" etc is irrelevant as people who know more than me ( and you ) and are following a criteria have decided. But you cannot belittle one persons achievements to push your own argument. Vardy had a great year, I would never take that away from him. Froome had a great year too. And both did benefit from a little team work too, ok some more than others. Froome is very unlucky not to make the 16 but I wouldn't begrudge those that are on the list their place. |
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Why should an individual be penalised for "there being too many cyclists"??!
If we have a plethora of supremely talented cyclists, who have had a tremendous year, then that should be celebrated, not marked down as a negative for one or more of the individuals concerned. We are talking about 2016 here, not 2015, 2014 or any other year, so what a person tallied in another year is irrelevant really to the voting of this year. Also aren't you the one who says its a cop out to include people who weren't in Rio ? Therefore aren't YOU the one who is penalising people ? |
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Why is Gareth Bale on the list
Did he win World Player of the Year Was he the best player at the Euros Did he help Wales get to the semi finals. Because im sure it was a team effort |
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Think Eric Bristow has ruined any chance he had of an invite to the show this year...
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I never said he should be
Also aren't you the one who says its a cop out to include people who weren't in Rio ? Therefore aren't YOU the one who is penalising people ? This award is about doing that bit more than everyone else in that persons respective sport, so if again for example, three or four cyclists went that bit further, and achieved that bit more than any other cyclists, and that in the wider perspective, outweighs what other people in other sports have achieved, then just because there are four exceptional cyclists, shouldn't mean that one or two of them should not be on the final shortlist. The fact that Froome won the Tour de France, is a far bigger achievement than what Bale contributed towards Real Madrid and Wales this year (as great as both sides success' were), so he should have been on the shortlist ahead of Bale. If the final shortlist is predominantly from one sport (or variations thereof), then I don't see anything at all wrong with that, it would just show how strong a year that sport has had, and how good the individuals have been. Also I note that you are yet to answer my question about Cox, when you say the list could have been dominated by cyclists, were you including Cox as a cyclist, an athlete, or both? |
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Think Eric Bristow has ruined any chance he had of an invite to the show this year...
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Add me to those that are hugely surprised that Froome isn't on the list
Winning the TdeF must be on a par with any other sporting achievement Couldn't see him winning the award but also cant see how there could be 12 others in front of him With all the great achievements in the Olympics and Paralympics I would have struggled to pick a top ten but I thought Froome was a shoe in along with Murray, Farah, Whitlock and Peaty. |
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Would like to see Mo Farah win it, but he seems to be regularly overlooked. Am I right in thinking he's only placed third on one occasion?
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Why is Gareth Bale on the list
Did he win World Player of the Year Was he the best player at the Euros Did he help Wales get to the semi finals. Because im sure it was a team effort |
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Always the annual debate but Froome's absence from the nominations is plain wrong in my opinion. Nicola Adams had to get through what was it three bouts to win her gold against a man who had to battle through 3 weeks of the most intensive sport there is.
If as some argue you had too many cyclists in the list then you take out another. You have to keep Trott and Kenny in but I would have omitted Dame Sarah Storey. In terms of sporting achievement Froome's third TdF is just incredible and I think we take him for granted now. |
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Who should be on the list? I think the more important question is "why is there a list in the first place?"
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Who should be on the list? I think the more important question is "why is there a list in the first place?"
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If there are a lot of people on the list from one sport, then the votes from that sport's supporters will be shared between them, reducing the number of votes for each individual.
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