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Nobody is ever talking about women's football without calling it women's football batdude, you don't need to keep banging that drum along with 'union or league?' when someone refers to rugby and absolutely everyone else knows which one they mean.
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If Lewis Hamilton had won the World Championship then who would they have removed from the shortlist
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If Lewis Hamilton had wo the Eorld Championship then who would they have removed from the shortlist
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He may not have been nominated even if he won like Froome.
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Do you think any footballer, (and yes im talking about males here but thanks for the patronising comment when you clearly know what was meant), would prefer to win a world cup or an olympic medal?
If you dare say anything other than the world cup then you are either trolling for the sake of it or have an indescribably poor knowledge of sport and not worth bothering with anymore. If that set-up were to be changed or altered (which I doubt that it will ever be, certainly not in my lifetime anyway), then we might have to come back and have this discussion then, but for now, the answer is a clear one. |
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There's never anything to clear up when you're constantly the only person who asks
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There's never anything to clear up when you're constantly the only person who asks
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I was surprised Froome was not on the shortlist for not only winning the Tour De France. But also winning Olympic bronze in the Time Trial and coming second in the Vuelta Espana
The Tour de France is different, of course, as anyone who has even vaguely heard of road cycling knows that winning it is something very special. Oddly - and I know this is going to sound illogical - I think maybe it being Froome's third victory lessened its impact. I know it should have the opposite effect as it shows remarkable consistency but we've got very spoiled, very quickly - it's gone from 'Wow!! I never thought I'd see a British winner!' to 'Another victory? Well, that's very nice'. Not very fair, I know, but that's the best reason I can come up with for Froome's omission. |
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While I'm in rambling mode, I may as well chuck in my thoughts on the Jamie Vardy thing: personally, I wouldn't have him on the shortlist. His amazing goalscoring run was in autumn of last year and I think Mahrez was more important over the whole season.
Some have pointed out that Vardy was judged the best player by, for example, the FWA but, then, the PFA went with Mahrez - there's a degree of subjectivity. But, for me, in order for a player in a team sport to win the individual award, they should be the clear driving force behind that team's success. I don't think that's the case here. Sorry, it sounds like I've got a complete downer on Vardy and I really don't. I do love the whole fairytale thing about his rise from obscurity to the very top late in his career and admire the guts and persistence it must have taken from him to get there. Hmm, now I'm wondering if I've just talked myself out of my own argument ![]() Probably time to stop, then...
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Silly me for thinking that a forum was a good place to ask questions eh?!
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No Carl Frampton? I, for one, will not be watching. If he were English he would have been on the shortlist unquestionably.
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I'm surprised but not astonished that Froome isn't on the list. Olympic bronze counts for nothing in this context when golds were raining down all over the place and I don't think being runner-up in the Vuelta, an event most of the public have probably never heard of, was ever going to sway the vote.
The Tour de France is different, of course, as anyone who has even vaguely heard of road cycling knows that winning it is something very special. Oddly - and I know this is going to sound illogical - I think maybe it being Froome's third victory lessened its impact. I know it should have the opposite effect as it shows remarkable consistency but we've got very spoiled, very quickly - it's gone from 'Wow!! I never thought I'd see a British winner!' to 'Another victory? Well, that's very nice'. Not very fair, I know, but that's the best reason I can come up with for Froome's omission. When we eventually go back to being also runs, I feel that we will look back and think how did a winner not make it even to the shortlist! It is this sort of blasé attitude, which really frustrates me, as winning the Tour is in no way an easy feat, nevemind winning it as often as he had done. He should be getting lauded and fetted, but instead he is being ignored, and overlooked for someone like below, which is just wrong on every conceivable level. Quote:
While I'm in rambling mode, I may as well chuck in my thoughts on the Jamie Vardy thing: personally, I wouldn't have him on the shortlist. His amazing goalscoring run was in autumn of last year and I think Mahrez was more important over the whole season.
Some have pointed out that Vardy was judged the best player by, for example, the FWA but, then, the PFA went with Mahrez - there's a degree of subjectivity. But, for me, in order for a player in a team sport to win the individual award, they should be the clear driving force behind that team's success. I don't think that's the case here. Sorry, it sounds like I've got a complete downer on Vardy and I really don't. I do love the whole fairytale thing about his rise from obscurity to the very top late in his career and admire the guts and persistence it must have taken from him to get there. Hmm, now I'm wondering if I've just talked myself out of my own argument ![]() Probably time to stop, then...I wouldn't put that ahead of winning the Tour de France for example, but that is just me. |
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Also, while most of the contenders are the best in the world at their sport (including Murray recently becoming world no 1), Jamie Vardy certainly isn't.
He's not even the best footballer in Britain, so wouldn't seem right giving him the individual award when we have so many truly world class sports stars to choose from. Leicester for the team award is a different matter though, as while they didn't contain many great individuals to achieve what they did was a remarkable team performance. |
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No Carl Frampton? I, for one, will not be watching. If he were English he would have been on the shortlist unquestionably.
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Maddie Hinch deserved to be nominated more than Kate Walsh. She saved so many shots, especially in the final and was the player of the tournament.
Also in the news.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38143128 Can't say I was surprised by any of the omissions given Rea and Frampton were world champions last year as well and didn't get nominated then either. That said not nominating Firth as GB's most successful Paralympian at Rio is almost as bad as Froome's omission. I can see the cases for Storey and Cox but not Christiansen over Firth (or Baker and Cockroft for that matter who also won three golds each), save that she has a more severe disability, but as they all compete against athletes of similar capabilities that shouldn't matter. Last word on Froome. Which is more likely, that the panel thought 16 other athletes had done achievements greater than winning the tour de france, or that they suspect he may not have won it cleanly? |
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How long is the show going to last with 16 nominees? It's notorious for overrunning as it is, we'll be lucky if the main award is handed out before midnight.
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Latest betting now that the dust has settled with the nominations
Murray 1/6 Brownlee 8/1 Farrah 20/1 Kenny 20/1 Bale 33/1 Vardy 50/1 Skelton 50/1 Whitlock 100/1 Kenny 100/1 Adams 200/1 Peaty 200/1 Storey 200/1 Willet 200/1 Christiansen 200/1 Cox 200/1 Richardson-Walsh 200/1 For the record who I THINK will be the top 3 in order - Murray, Mo, Brownlee Who would I like the 3 to be ? Not fussed, whoever wins it I will say well done to them |
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#1043 |
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Murray, Mo, and Cox, all people who got gold in Rio for me.
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Are there people seriously trying to argue in here that an Olympic gold in tennis is equal to winning Wimbledon or becoming number 1? Half the top 10 didn't even bother to turn up!
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Are there people seriously trying to argue in here that an Olympic gold in tennis is equal to winning Wimbledon or becoming number 1? Half the top 10 didn't even bother to turn up!
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I was not at all being patronising towards you or anyone else, I was merely trying to clear things up, as for which a player would most likely to win, due to the current arrangements, and set-up of the Olympic football tournament, then of course it pails into comparison with a World Cup, or even a regions tournament like a European Championship.
If that set-up were to be changed or altered (which I doubt that it will ever be, certainly not in my lifetime anyway), then we might have to come back and have this discussion then, but for now, the answer is a clear one. |
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Not people. A person
So no, the Olympics isn't as big as Wimbledon, but it is a highly valued prize to the top tennis players. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is nonsense, and to be fair, a lot of tennis fans, especially fans of Federer and Djokovic, who haven't got a singles gold, try to down-play it. |
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Interesting reading this thread since the nominees were announced on Monday. What is clear is that it is an extremely subjective topic. For me, I couldn't care less that Chris Froome hasn't been nominated and wouldn't even have considered him, but that's because I'm not remotely interested in road cycling. What I am amazed at is that Mo isn't more highly rated considering what he's achieved over the last 4 years. Personally I don't think he'll even make the top 3 and it begs the question what exactly would he have to do to win it? I also think Brownlee should be top 3, not only for his amazing sporting achievements but also for his attitude. My other choice would be Peaty, but again that will clearly never happen, as most people on here don't even mention him - some didn't even have him on the shortlist. I never realised that swimming was actually such a minority sport and so I guess most people don't realise quite how stunning his achievement was.
At the end of the day, it is just people's opinions and quite clearly there is no way of keeping everyone happy. |
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Not people. A person
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Always got to find a reason to have a dig or a put down in some form don't you?
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