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Sport's Personality Of The Year 2016 Odds (Skybet)
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batdude_uk1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“It is ridiculous that Michael Bisping isn't even shortlisted. Murray will win and deservedly so, he is Britain's top sportsman for many a year. BBC shows ridiculous bias when it comes to which sports they consider "worthy" and which not.”

MMA is vastly underrated I would agree with you there, Connor definitely deserves some sort of award for what has been a truly outstanding, and history making year.
Mark F
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“It is ridiculous that Michael Bisping isn't even shortlisted. Murray will win and deservedly so, he is Britain's top sportsman for many a year. BBC shows ridiculous bias when it comes to which sports they consider "worthy" and which not.”

Hardly the most household name tbf - I am sure some more high profile athletes could have been named as well (Chris Froome for example) and some boxers.

With the Olympics I think the Beeb probably have a more wide ranging collection of sports nominated than they used to..

The Connor guy BA is talking about will win the Irish version it seems..

In the Mail it talked about Tanni-Grey Thompson being at the even so is she in line for the life time achievement award.
clever3000
17-12-2016
There should be an announcement about the Lifetime Achievement award soon, it is usually announced before the event.
batdude_uk1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark F:
“Hardly the most household name tbf - I am sure some more high profile athletes could have been named as well (Chris Froome for example) and some boxers.

With the Olympics I think the Beeb probably have a more wide ranging collection of sports nominated than they used to..

The Connor guy BA is talking about will win the Irish version it seems..

In the Mail it talked about Tanni-Grey Thompson being at the even so is she in line for the life time achievement award.”

Connor should win the overseas personality award, as he would fully deserve it.
alancracker
18-12-2016
48 pages - not got time to read them all but have read the last 3 or 4.

Everyone seems to think Murray is a cert - so he probably is as i have heard that said elsewhere too.

Personally my vote will go to Farah, my team of the year = Leicester, my lifetime achievement probably Tanni Grey Thompson and my overseas personality Cristiano Ronaldo.- altho I wonder about that as it has 2 footballers winning awards and I admit that is unlikely

I am also a bit disgusted that Frome did not make the short list.- and Jade Jones to a lesser extent.

But its all about opinions and no doubt many will disagree with me - no problem with that.

I will watch it of course, as I am a sports fanatic but I am not that keen on the glitzy format which they use these days tbh as it feels too much like the Oscars and other awards ceremonies - but then I know i am an old fart and most people love the way it now is and if it had not changed it would have been phased out as it would not get the viewing figures with only people like me watching!!
dodrade
18-12-2016
I'll probably vote for Mo but don't expect him to make the top 3.
Edward_Sloley
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by clever3000:
“There should be an announcement about the Lifetime Achievement award soon, it is usually announced before the event.”

They've given it to Michael Phelps.
FusionFury
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“Still hoping that Del Potro gets it because of his great comback this year from 3 years of a horrendous injury and operations. The Olympic final was my highlight of the year and then Murray and Del Potro went even longer in the Davis Cup semi and to cap it all he came back from 2 sets down in the penultimate rubber to win and help Argentina win the Davis Cup.

Ronaldo may have captained Portugal to the European Championship but Portugal were dire in most of their matches, Ronaldo was the same player he has been in previous season at Real.”

Be nice to see a new name win it.
thenetworkbabe
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“I don't think there is much value in squabbling about the inclusion or exclusion of people on the fringe of the debate when who is 'worthy' is a purely subjective matter of opinion. It just highlights that extending the shortlist to 16 is pointless because you still cannot come up with a shortlist that pleases everyone. So for me, they should have stuck to 12 at the most.”

But its not subjective until you start with applying a criteria and then stop applying it mid list. Given there's so many Gold medalists - winning two or more in 2016, or two by repeating 2012 seems a useful criteria. Murray is also there for being world number one and winning his biggest home match - but then so are Kenny J and L, Farah M , Adams, N, and Jones J.

Life time achievement suggests Walsh and jher role in developing Hockey, and the people like Skelton - around for ages who finally got a medal . do you need to retire to qualify ?

Team seems a more appropriate award for the Hockey players - rather than singlling one out - and then not the goalkeeper.

it looks like they thought of a criteria, decided to make it look politically correct ,and dumped some names relatively randomly to get to a manageable number .
Muttley76
18-12-2016
Pretty meh about Phelps winning the lifetime achievement award. It has on several occasions been given to an oversees star, but typically tends to be those that have had a major impact on this country, which for all his fantastic achievements I don't think Pheleps has really done.

Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“But its not subjective until you start with applying a criteria and then stop applying it mid list. .”

Who deserves to be on the list is entirely subjective from start to finish. There are a number of people who were easy picks because subjectively speaking there is a consensus, but its still subjective. What you need to remember is this is not and never has been about pure sporting achievement - it is about making an impact. It can be argued for example, that someone like Nick Skelton made a hell of a lot more of an impact with his gold than, say Jade Jones. It doesn't mean one achievement is greater than the other necessarily.

As I said, they will never come up with a list that meets everyones approval because of the subjective nature of it. Therefore no point in extending the list further to try and please everyone because it is impossible.

eta: by the way Skelton won a gold in the team comp in 2012 so it wasn't a case of him finally winning a medal
footygirl
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“Pretty meh about Phelps winning the lifetime achievement award. It has on several occasions been given to an oversees star, but typically tends to be those that have had a major impact on this country, which for all his fantastic achievements I don't think Pheleps has really done.



Who deserves to be on the list is entirely subjective from start to finish. There are a number of people who were easy picks because subjectively speaking there is a consensus, but its still subjective. What you need to remember is this is not and never has been about pure sporting achievement - it is about making an impact. It can be argued for example, that someone like Nick Skelton made a hell of a lot more of an impact with his gold than, say Jade Jones. It doesn't mean one achievement is greater than the other necessarily.

As I said, they will never come up with a list that meets everyones approval because of the subjective nature of it. Therefore no point in extending the list further to try and please everyone because it is impossible.

eta: by the way Skelton won a gold in the team comp in 2012 so it wasn't a case of him finally winning a medal”

Disagree completely with Phelps, would agree with it if he was overseas winner, but lifetime achievement should have gone to Tanni Grey Thompson or Steve Davis. I think it is time all of the awards should be public vote only
footygirl
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by Edward_Sloley:
“They've given it to Michael Phelps.”

Disagree with this decision
k0213818
18-12-2016
Unsurprisingly Conor McGregor was voted Irish Sports Personality last night:
https://www.joe.ie/sport/conor-mcgre...he-year/571065
sharren
18-12-2016
you know your stuff could you give me next weeks lottery numbers please
anyonefortennis
18-12-2016
With all the surprise results this year, including Strictly last night, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a surprise winner tonight.
batdude_uk1
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by k0213818:
“Unsurprisingly Conor McGregor was voted Irish Sports Personality last night:
https://www.joe.ie/sport/conor-mcgre...he-year/571065”

Even more of a reason to give him the overseas award, he has had an unbelievable and history making year.
CarlLewis
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Disagree completely with Phelps, would agree with it if he was overseas winner, but lifetime achievement should have gone to Tanni Grey Thompson or Steve Davis. I think it is time all of the awards should be public vote only”

He's never been Overseas Personality so this seems to be a way of giving him something.

Surely his achievements are exceptional by any standard?
Darren Lethem
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“He's never been Overseas Personality so this seems to be a way of giving him something.

Surely his achievements are exceptional by any standard?”

They are. I would have been very happy had Steve Davis or Tanni won it but you'd need a very cold heart to deny Phelps the gong. What he has achieved, and we are in Olympic year, is truly outstanding
batdude_uk1
18-12-2016
If we are giving a lifetime achievement award to an American sports person, I would have given it to Kobe personally, but that is just me I suppose.

Phelps is still a credible and worthwhile winner.
mimik1uk
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“If we are giving a lifetime achievement award to an American sports person, I would have given it to Kobe personally, but that is just me I suppose.

Phelps is still a credible and worthwhile winner.”

what is your obsession with Kobe Bryant ?

if michael jordan didn't with a lifetime achievement award then kobe bryant certainly isn't going to ...

bryant doesn't even make it into the top ten of all-time NBA players, and in a sport that is extremely niche in the UK he just isn't well enough known. its more likely that an NFL player will win it at some point than anyone from the NBA.
clever3000
18-12-2016
Phelps winning lifetime achievement is on one hand deserved, the fact he has won 23 gold medals is incredible. In fact it is an achievement so great that it will probably never be matched or beaten. If he were a british athlete then i doubt there would be anyone querying this award. However Phelps has had controversy as well in his lifetime and with the awards celebrating a fantastic year for british sport there is a strong argument that the award should be given to someone else.
batdude_uk1
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“what is your obsession with Kobe Bryant ?

if michael jordan didn't with a lifetime achievement award then kobe bryant certainly isn't going to ...

bryant doesn't even make it into the top ten of all-time NBA players, and in a sport that is extremely niche in the UK he just isn't well enough known. its more likely that an NFL player will win it at some point than anyone from the NBA.”

I wouldn't quite call it an obsession, and yes Jordan would be a worthy winner of the award as well, but it does seem that the award only gets given to those who have retired fairly recently, so alas since Jordan retired (for real) a while back, then he will not be getting it anytime soon.
mimik1uk
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I wouldn't quite call it an obsession, and yes Jordan would be a worthy winner of the award as well, but it does seem that the award only gets given to those who have retired fairly recently, so alas since Jordan retired (for real) a while back, then he will not be getting it anytime soon.”

but jordan didn't get it when he retired and given he would be a far more worthy recipient than bryant, who isn't rated anywhere near as high as jordan was, then why on earth would bryant get it now ?

especially in a sport that isn't mainstream in the UK
MARTYM8
18-12-2016
Shouldn't they just have a public vote for second and third place.

Murray is 1-9 with Paddy power - the next person is Alastair Brownlee on 9-1..

It seems almost as certain that Murray wins on those odds as Christmas Day being on 25th December this year.
footygirl
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Shouldn't they just have a public vote for second and third place.

Murray is 1-9 with Paddy power - the next person is Alastair Brownlee on 9-1..

It seems almost as certain that Murray wins on those odds as Christmas Day being on 25th December this year.”

Think it should revert back to the old format of public vote, with no shortlisting at all. In other words 100% public vote on the following
Sports Personality of the year
Young sports personality of the year
Lifetime achievement
Team of the year

The Helen Rollason award could maybe continue in its current format

But really disappointed they chose Phelps, why didn't they give him overseas personality
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