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Somebody earlier on today claimed Nicola Adams was only nominated because she is "a black lesbian and ticks a box". That is insulting on so many levels and it needs stamping out.
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Early thoughts for 2017. Non Olympic, football/rugby tournament or ashes year so a lot of the usual big sports might not be in contention.
Obvious early contender is Anthony Joshua, his fate on the list will be known by the end of April. Win there and then maybe a fight with Haye to close the year out win both and he'll be red hot. Few boxers lining up big fights in 2017 Khan v Brook possibly, Frampton and De Gale have top level fights coming up as well. Murray again of course. If he carries on his end of year form into 2017 it may even be his best year yet. 1 or 2 grand slams probably required for a 4th SPOTY. F1 now Rosbergs out the way Hamilton will be white hot fave for the 2017 world title. The world athletics championships being in London should mean there will be some GB athletes on the list. Maybe it will finally be Mo's year! Cycling usual suspects Froome and Cav depending on how the Tour De France goes. Golf depends on the majors, could be anyone! Obviously due to stupid political reasons they couldn't participate in the Olympics, so from the World Cup, they are the best European nation, so it should be interesting to see how well they do this time around. |
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You can't tell people who to vote for. There has been a hell of a lot of competition in the past decade or so. Having said that, I think Mo Farah has achieved only one top three finish in all his years of achievement. That seems wrong.
But since then: 2012 Olympics - 5000m and 10000m Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2013 World Champs - 5000m and 10000 Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2015 World Champs - 5000m and 10000 Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2016 Olympics - 5000m and 10000m Gold - SPOTY = 4th Something's not right there. I think that this subject matter deserves its own stand-alone thread. |
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Only track riders though. Cycling fans view track in the same way rugby fans view sevens. (I know Hoy won but there was a big campaign behind him - a cycling win was a novelty then)
My main criticism of SPOTY was that there often wasn't much of the actual sport in the videos. The bits you got were usually just the winning moments, which may not have been the best from a sporting point of view, or show of the athleticism or ability of the individual. Even someone like Murray, you had a lot of footage of him huggings trophies and looking emotional, Brownlee's montage was heavily weighted towards the stuff with his brother, and Skelton's was all about coming back from serious injury and being a bit old. I know we all say it doesn't matter that Murray wasn't in the studio, but it doesn't matter for him, because he's so well known and sports fans know the tennis season is so long, but I think it has a bit of an influence, and I think it was 2013 where he didn't do a live-link, which will bother some people. A big factor is that I don't think athletics fans are the sort to get involved with huge multi-voting campaigns as we sometimes see with other contenders. I think we all see the odd person who places higher than their achievements justify, which can be traced back to an online campaign from fans of that sport. If Mo were always placing in the bottom half of the vote, then I'd think it was something against him, but he's always getting a good, just not top, placing. The show itself felt a bit rushed. I'm not sure if it was the extra nominees, or simply because it was Olympic year, but I think I liked it better last year when they dedicated a section to each sport, and then interviewed the relevant nominees, as well as other high achievers. The live music wasn't great either. I normally rate Laura Mvula, but that song really doesn't suit her, and for it to work with that montage, we needed someone with a big voice who can build to a crescendo, and Robbie just wasn't in tune. |
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Hear hear. That 3rd place in SPOTY was in 2011.
But since then: 2012 Olympics - 5000m and 10000m Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2013 World Champs - 5000m and 10000 Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2015 World Champs - 5000m and 10000 Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2016 Olympics - 5000m and 10000m Gold - SPOTY = 4th Something's not right there. I think that this subject matter deserves its own stand-alone thread. Personally I wouldn't have placed Nick Skelton anywhere near the top 3. Yes, what he did was amazing, but he won that third place on pure sentiment due to his age. That is typical Britain to vote along those lines. As some of the others have said, whether it's race or religion or something to do with not being born in Britain, or even not having a regional vote to get behind him, these things must be having some sort of impact on the voting. Whenever he is interviewed, I always think he comes across as a really sweet, likeable chap with a good personality. I don't think he'll ever win it, even if he doubles up again next year at World's. |
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Apologies if this is a stupid question, but was Murray presented with a fake/replica trophy?
I think the voting lines were open until a few minutes before the announcement, so surely already having Murray set as the winner would be open to investigation... |
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Apologies if this is a stupid question, but was Murray presented with a fake/replica trophy?
I think the voting lines were open until a few minutes before the announcement, so surely already having Murray set as the winner would be open to investigation... |
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Giving the public a vote on anything will bring strange results (Brexit/Trump).
It doesn't always reflect on who deserves to win, and most people dont vote anyway. As it is, I think Murray was an obvious, and correct winner, but I do think Mo should have been a close second. |
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It's a replica they have on standby in case he wins.
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Giving the public a vote on anything will bring strange results (Brexit/Trump).
It doesn't always reflect on who deserves to win, and most people dont vote anyway. As it is, I think Murray was an obvious, and correct winner, but I do think Mo should have been a close second. |
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Hear hear. That 3rd place in SPOTY was in 2011.
But since then: 2012 Olympics - 5000m and 10000m Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2013 World Champs - 5000m and 10000 Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2015 World Champs - 5000m and 10000 Gold - SPOTY = 4th 2016 Olympics - 5000m and 10000m Gold - SPOTY = 4th Something's not right there. I think that this subject matter deserves its own stand-alone thread. |
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Not quite right with the placings AT. Mo came 7th last year, but I agree whole heartedly with you
Mo, has just been unbelievably good, during a time when we have been blessed with having lots of other unbelievably good sportspeople, it really is as simple as that. If he was as good as he currently is, say in the 90's, when we were not exactly putting forth top level sports people, then he would walk the award on a very regular basis, but he can only compete in his time, and his time is this period, unfortunately for him. |
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What is there to agree with??
Mo, has just been unbelievably good, during a time when we have been blessed with having lots of other unbelievably good sportspeople, it really is as simple as that. If he was as good as he currently is, say in the 90's, when we were not exactly putting forth top level sports people, then he would walk the award on a very regular basis, but he can only compete in his time, and his time is this period, unfortunately for him. |
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The odds in the initial post on this thread are an interesting 'hind-sight" read
10/1 for Murray ![]() I need a Tardis.....
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It's not as simple as that. Do you honestly believe a British born white christian athlete who won 2 gold medals at the 2012 Olympics in the 5,000 and 10,000 metres wouldn't have won SPOTY that year or even moreso this year when they repeated that feat? You're deluded if you believe that he hasn't won or even placed in the top 3 because his competition was so much better. You can't get much better than a GB athlete winning 2 gold medals in 2 long distance events twice at separate Olympics. If Seb Coe was competing now and achieved the same success he'd have won SPOTY 2 or 3 times by now.
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That's the problem with a public voting system. You are in the hands of those who choose to vote. It doesn't represent the most worthy winners, although I would still put Andy above of Mo.
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The public still would have voted for a Seb Coe type athlete by now at least once if he had achieved what Mo has achieved.
You are suggesting racism is behind it. We never see Mo apart from the big games, so his profile is lower, and I suspect that has something to do with it. Frank Bruno was one of the most popular sportsmen we've ever had, but he was always around, and noticed. On achievements, I would put Mo just behind Andy as winner, but that isn't always in the mind of why people vote. |
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How many people voted? What is their make up? What were their motives for voting?
You are suggesting racism is behind it. We never see Mo apart from the big games, so his profile is lower, and I suspect that has something to do with it. Frank Bruno was one of the most popular sportsmen we've ever had, but he was always around, and noticed. On achievements, I would put Mo just behind Andy as winner, but that isn't always in the mind of why people vote. |
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That's only part of the reason. Frank Bruno never won 4 Olympic gold medals.
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Earlier on I pointed out that Mo didn't come 4th last year he actually came 7th. I just checked who did come 4th. Tyson Gay. One is a great role model and lovely guy and one.....isn't.
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Tyson Gay came 4th in SPOTY last year? Really? Is he even eligible for SPOTY?
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Early thoughts for 2017. Non Olympic, football/rugby tournament or ashes year so a lot of the usual big sports might not be in contention.
Obvious early contender is Anthony Joshua, his fate on the list will be known by the end of April. Win there and then maybe a fight with Haye to close the year out win both and he'll be red hot. Few boxers lining up big fights in 2017 Khan v Brook possibly, Frampton and De Gale have top level fights coming up as well. Murray again of course. If he carries on his end of year form into 2017 it may even be his best year yet. 1 or 2 grand slams probably required for a 4th SPOTY. F1 now Rosbergs out the way Hamilton will be white hot fave for the 2017 world title. The world athletics championships being in London should mean there will be some GB athletes on the list. Maybe it will finally be Mo's year! Cycling usual suspects Froome and Cav depending on how the Tour De France goes. Golf depends on the majors, could be anyone! Last edited by charlieparr : 19-12-2016 at 16:26. Reason: Spelling |
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Ben Ainsley if he wins the America's Cup?
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Ben Ainsley if he wins the America's Cup?
If Joshua beats Wlad and has a successful defence then he would be in with a shout but would it be too early in the year ? You know how the most recent events seem to do better. |
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