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Old 25-10-2016, 11:27
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I don't see how this can be a smash hit, it's just too C-level superhero as far as the general public are concerned.

Guardians of the Galaxy had word-of-mouth going for it, I don't see that happening with Doctor Strange.

Maybe it'll do Thor kind of business.
Everyone was claiming GotG (something of a unknown quantity beforehand even amongst comics fans) would flop hard and also Ant Man (also not an A-list superhero) and both were hits. I have a good feeling about Strange - The only thing that gives me pause is Cucumberpatches American accent which is one of the less convincing ones I've heard or perhaps I'm just used to hearing his natural one.
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Old 25-10-2016, 11:49
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There's no posters, no bus banners, minimal trailers on TV (despite marvel releasing 29....YES 29...TV Spots), very little merchandising and the real doozie - no premiere.

I cannot fathom for one second why they are not promoting this film. It's had extensive promo in the Far East and the world premiere in America and that's it.

The fact there's not a UK premiere when chunks of it were filmed at Pinewood and the titular character is British along with Tilda, Benedict Wong AND Chiwitel. Strange indeed....
I think bus banners, posters, tv spots even are all a bit old school promo these days (who even watches adverts on tv in this age of streaming sevices?). The trailer is all over social media, all over movie and comic book websites. The hype has been built that way.
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Old 25-10-2016, 14:00
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I would say that everything you have mentioned in social media,websites etc is aimed at comic book fans and bus banners etc are aimed at the general public.Both of which build to the overall box office of the film!

RebelScum no im not trying to extend the thread as it was a genuine question

Sorry if that wasn't clearer in my response

Anyway onto the film as I really enjoyed it and it does open up a whole new world for the MCU.I was surprised by the humour in it as well.I just worry that it maybe too much for the general public!

4/5 from me

By the way one mid credit scene and another end credit scene!
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Old 25-10-2016, 14:04
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Just saw the film, quite interesting but at the same time the plot is awful, so many times I felt bored and as if the film too long.
What was the whole point of the film apart from the CGI effects.
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Old 25-10-2016, 14:18
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Well it's a origin story of Doctor Strange to introduce the character to the MCU

What did you find so terrible about the plot?

I was surprised myself how quickly the film was!
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Old 25-10-2016, 15:31
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Well it's a origin story of Doctor Strange to introduce the character to the MCU

What did you find so terrible about the plot?

I was surprised myself how quickly the film was!
For one didn't really have a villain, not sure they even really explain what they were facing or trying to stop.
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Old 25-10-2016, 15:48
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What was Kaecuilis then if not a villain?

As it was shown from the start of the film that he was one when he was fighting the ancient one

I understand confusion caused by the different dimensions in it and also part of what they are trying to stop from happening with them

You also have future villain brewing in the background which will be more important in future Doctor Strange films when they happen!
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Old 25-10-2016, 18:17
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I think bus banners, posters, tv spots even are all a bit old school promo these days (who even watches adverts on tv in this age of streaming sevices?). The trailer is all over social media, all over movie and comic book websites. The hype has been built that way.
I wouldnt be so dismissive of old school PR methods. They must still work given the high cost.

I would say that everything you have mentioned in social media,websites etc is aimed at comic book fans and bus banners etc are aimed at the general public.Both of which build to the overall box office of the film!
Which is roughly how it works. Social media PR is fine for target audiences, but given how users tailor social media to their own tastes the older methods are still very instrumental in creating a wider awareness.
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Old 25-10-2016, 19:14
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What was Kaecuilis then if not a villain?

As it was shown from the start of the film that he was one when he was fighting the ancient one

I understand confusion caused by the different dimensions in it and also part of what they are trying to stop from happening with them

You also have future villain brewing in the background which will be more important in future Doctor Strange films when they happen!
was Kaecuilis really a villain, really thought the film had heroes that were not proper heroes and the villain that not really a villain.
if anything the only reason Kaecuillis was bad was because the Ancient one lied and he tried to get the same immortality that she had.
the only real hero was the black dude that left in the end.
ok they were setting up future movies but as a standalone film the plot was awful not sure why anyone would watch this film again since nothing really happens.
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Old 25-10-2016, 19:31
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So Kaecuilis trying to destroy the whole world is nothing?

I wouldn't call the person you call the real hero isn't one at all?

Did you see the end credit scene?

So do you not consider Doctor Strange a hero at all?
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Old 25-10-2016, 19:44
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So Kaecuilis trying to destroy the whole world is nothing?

I wouldn't call the person you call the real hero isn't one at all?

Did you see the end credit scene?

So do you not consider Doctor Strange a hero at all?
not sure they did kaecuilis well then since at no point did I even really care that he was trying to destroy the world, actually most time it didn't even feel like he was destroying the world considering the major fight sequence happened in the mirror dimension which doesn't affect the outside world.

only really the ending destroyed the whole world and by then doctor strange did the reset spell or what ever it is called so we didn't really see him destroy the world.
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Old 25-10-2016, 19:50
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So Kaecuilis trying to destroy the whole world is nothing?

I wouldn't call the person you call the real hero isn't one at all?

Did you see the end credit scene?

So do you not consider Doctor Strange a hero at all?
Wow missed the last one, didn't expect him to be the baddie.
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Old 25-10-2016, 20:14
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So you are saying that because Doctor Strange used that spell at the end to save the world then that means that Kaecuilis destroying the world never really happened?

Sorry about all the questions but I didn't get an answer to my last question

Why do you consider Doctor Strange a villain?

I thought Doctor Strange was the hero myself in the film after watching it!
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Old 25-10-2016, 20:31
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So you are saying that because Doctor Strange used that spell at the end to save the world then that means that Kaecuilis destroying the world never really happened?

Sorry about all the questions but I didn't get an answer to my last question

Why do you consider Doctor Strange a villain?

I thought Doctor Strange was the hero myself in the film after watching it!
TBH wasn't talking about Doctor strange but the other two and then you can add the other guy.
really got the impression they were trying to say no one is bad or good and they all got their only little motive for doing what they did.

Ancient one tried to be immortal so she can save the world.
the baddie tried to be immortal because the ancient one lied and doesn't allow anyone to be immortal, if he didn't get betrayed or actually found out what the dark universe will do to him, highly doubt he would be a baddie.
3rd one looks like he doesn't like the fact the nature laws are broken and now he want to be the sole sorcerer in the world.

Doctor strange was the hero but looks like he will more of a role in the next thor film.
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Old 25-10-2016, 20:36
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So you are saying that because Doctor Strange used that spell at the end to save the world then that means that Kaecuilis destroying the world never really happened?
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TBH it technically never happened since they reset the whole time till the scorer building was intact and the only reason kaecuilis and his followers went away was because the space baddie or whatever he was called had to remove him from existence so he can get out of the time prison.
So the human only actually saw the bold women fall from the sky and nothing else, highly doubt Avenger even knew what actually happened.
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Old 25-10-2016, 20:39
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Surprise the thread was quiet, was hoping to see what other people thought of the film, can't really find many reviews online either.
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Old 25-10-2016, 20:41
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Ok now that post makes sense!

You are correct about all of them apart from isn't the ancient one immortal?

The 3rd one you refer to is Mordu who in the comics is Doctor Strange main enemy!

This film is meant to be his origin story to set up how he got his powers etc which is done in this film as well as setting up his relationship to Mordu
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Old 25-10-2016, 20:51
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Ok now that post makes sense!

You are correct about all of them apart from isn't the ancient one immortal?

The 3rd one you refer to is Mordu who in the comics is Doctor Strange main enemy!

This film is meant to be his origin story to set up how he got his powers etc which is done in this film as well as setting up his relationship to Mordu
oh ok, although looks like most people find the villain boring and the plan really simple by looking at the reviews but they mostly liked the film.
I did like the film, could have done with a better villain story.
Marvel really needs to fix the villains.
film could have been so much better if viewers actually understood or felt the dangers the world was facing.
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Old 25-10-2016, 21:00
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It's a known problem of Marvel films that the only good villain they have done is Loki!

A pity as Mads Mikkelsen is such a great actor that he did feel wasted in his role which were mainly action scenes

I still think the viewers can understand as well as feel the danger that the world is facing though but you have your own opinion on that!
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Old 25-10-2016, 22:18
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Isn't Dormammu also counted as villain despite being summoned by Kaecuilis from the dark dimension though?
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Old 26-10-2016, 06:38
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I absolutely loved it, start to finish.

The visuals were stunning, loved the character arc of Strange, knocked to the very bottom before discovering his new path. Give the Cloak its own spin off movie cause I loved it! The humour was excellent, just the right amount IMHO.

I don't normally do reviews and I don't want to spoil it for anyone else, but to me it felt like a Marvel movie but - excuse the pun - a different dimension.

Loved Tilda Swindon and Benedict Wong, Benedict Cumberbatch was absolutely awesome for the role, and you can see why they pushed the film back for him.
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Old 26-10-2016, 08:08
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Saw it last night, was slightly disappointed, but only because my expectations were so high... actually hard to say what was wrong with it, it just didn't have that "punching the air" thing I got from Civil War or GotG... possibly too much sub-Yoda pseudo-philosophy, though Tilda Swinton is nicely-otherworldly, and of course BC is excellent, as is Wong, though Mads Mikkelson and Rachel McAdams are both underused...

The visuals are incredible - whatever you think you've seen in the trailers is just scratching the surface, it's just bonkers, and amazingly inventive, but will be hugely diminished on TV, so see it at the cinema, and in 3D if you can (I'd guess the IMAX version will be eye-popping, too...)

Not sure if this will be a hit though, it's very "out there" and without the crossover potential of (say) Ant-Man, which had a lot more comedy and a reasonably straightforward get-the-gang-together-and-do-a-heist hook... though there's no doubt the Dr. Strange character will appear again in the MCU, I hope this movie does well enough to warrant a standalone sequel, with less exposition and more Strange/Wong banter, it would probably be even better...
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Old 26-10-2016, 08:23
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Saw this last night and the fact I knew little to nothing about Doctor Strange, I rather enjoyed it.... Ok I enjoyed it a lot. It was funny (which I wasn't expecting) and I was surprised at some of the more slapstick moments involving Cumberbatch and the cape. This really did feel like an origin story and I was fine with that. Doctor Strange may not be as well known to the public like other characters and the lower budget reflects this.

I saw it in IMAX 3D and have to say the visuals are just jaw dropping. A few times I felt a bit disorientated but it was brilliant.

Like others I do hope there will be a standalone sequel as this feel like a starting point for the character. Maybe marvel are hoping to develop the character into an Iron Man/tony Stark type character.

In my mind, Marvel see the big films (Avengers, GoTG, Captain America) as the ones that roll in the big bucks, thus allowing them creative freedom to produce these slightly out of there films.

I've watched both Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman. In the case of Suicide Squad, I did like it, but after watching this you can see why DC are playing catch up. Yes, the plot may be formulaic, but it still felt different and unlike anything I've seen in the comic book genre.

Side note: (and because I don't know that much about the greater Marvel universe) Is Dormammu any relation or link to Thanos. They both has similar features. Thanks
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Old 26-10-2016, 09:07
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Is Dormammu any relation or link to Thanos. They both has similar features.
They certainly aren't related in the comics (that I'm aware of), though I agree that there was a resemblance in the movie... if anything Dormammu would be far more powerful than Thanos, notwithstanding *SPOILER* how Strange defeats him in the film, though that would obviously change if Thanos obtains the time stone as part of the Infinity Gauntlet...
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Old 26-10-2016, 09:11
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Pretty good I have to say. Felt a bit rushed at the beginning as an introduction, but it got a lot better in the middle and at the end and was a nice detour from the usual Iron Man, Hulk, Thor and Captain America adventures. There were some nice touches of humour with the cloak and also wong was a great character despite only being in a minor role... I can sense Doctor Strange having a big part to play in the next avengers.
I'd also say, that it took me a wee while to get used to the 3d again as this is the first 3d film I've seen this year. I much prefer normal 2d films..
Overall, a good addition to the Marvel roster. I'd say it was better than Age of Ultron but not as good as Civil war, Guardians of the Galaxy or Winter Soldier.
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