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Your opinion of the new companion, Bill |
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35 | 16.83% |
| Neutral |
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32 | 15.38% |
| Negative |
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62 | 29.81% |
| None: I will see more before forming an opinion |
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79 | 37.98% |
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#51 |
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Oh dear, where are you getting this from? Am I not allowed to say I liked how Pearl Mackie came across without it turning into a meaningless slate at how obsessed some of us are with the show? Would you have been happier if I decided I despise the women and will never watch the show again?
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I'm not sure I agree with your point but, I must say, you do write beautifully.
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Sorry, but I think that's complete ballcocks, especially when it comes to DS! Your perception so fair enough...just don't recognise this forum from your description at all. Certainly a general absence of best. Episode. EVAH. Syndrome in these parts with the comments,Ed. Well, from my perception, anyway. If you don't like the show, any sort of praise might rankle, maybe? You see things through your own prism of 'reality'?
FYI, Who-watcher since the early 70s - Never missed an episode, Classic and Nu-Who. Couple of good eps from last season that hold-up against anything from the show's history but most of it was tut. Quote:
Mr Dalliard! I've started speaking pretentious guff! You say that, but we both know you don't mean it.
(Aimed at myself there, btw!) |
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#52 |
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I did mean it. Quite happy to take the pee out of myself! Sorry if you thought it was aimed at you. After all, it's just a TV programme, man.
The FYI was interesting, though. Genuinely got the impression from your posts that you generally didn't like the show and it's fans. Who don't do sport, apparently. I stand corrected. |
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#53 |
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Why, do you know her personally? You're apparently happy to comment on her as a real person which, when you think about it is far more personally intrusive than merely saying good/bad in regard to her scripted character in the clip which you're for some reason reluctant to do. You surely see the contradiction there, yes?
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If Saturday's teaser trailer was titled 'A Friend from the Future', does that mean Pearl Mackie's Bill is from the future?
I would have thought that it meant the Doctor. He's a friend, and he's (presumably) from the future, or is it the past, or from another dimension altogether, it's all rather confusing...
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#55 |
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Think it was just referring to 2017 as the future and when we'll see Bill's story begin in earnest. In the episode Bill's Excellent Adventu.....no they wouldn't do that. I'm so obvious!
Or would they? Maybe 'Let's Kill Bill!" ? I'll stop now. Eta One more. Missy appears in a pseudo historical, disguised as a certain famous orange seller. Through hypnosis, with the Doctor unaware, the young companion is completely under her spell and history is about to be disastrously altered. Series 10, episode 6....'Bill Hearts Nell'. Coat. Door. |
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Think it was just referring to 2017 as the future and when we'll see Bill's story begin in earnest. In the episode Bill's Excellent Adventu.....no they wouldn't do that. I'm so obvious!
Or would they? Maybe 'Let's Kill Bill!" ? I'll stop now. Eta One more. Missy appears in a pseudo historical, disguised as a certain famous orange seller. Through hypnosis, with the Doctor unaware, the young companion is completely under her spell and history is about to be disastrously altered. Series 10, episode 6....'Bill Hearts Nell'. Coat. Door. |
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#57 |
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I've always wondered what it would be like if Quentin Tarantino did a Who episode.
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Messy. And going by his recent stuff...a bit overlong for the story.
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I liked her a lot. Bill feels like a contrast to previous companions and the rapport with her and Capaldi worked for me personally. Can't wait to see her in Series 10.
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I believe the comically skewed episode polls bear my POV out. [Snip] All I can come up with is that maybe you think some people are voting for option 4 because they're bothered about the reaction they'll get on here if they vote -ive? If that's your opinion then it's rather paranoid, especially as the vote is secret anyway. [Edit] Actually I've come up with another: Maybe you think option 4 voters actually didn't like her and don't want to say so because they are loyal fans and want to show support for the show (even though they don't much like it anymore). I guess you might even think that's true if you are unable to accept that actually there are others who, while exercising their critical faculties, genuinely still like the show (and aren't just saying they like it out of some misguided sense of loyalty). I think most who voted for option 4 are simply being sensible and waiting for more information to come in before they decide whether they like Bill (or not). What is it that you find "comically skewed" or supportive of you PoV? That it isn't a 100% negative vote? [Edit 2} Nevermind. Sorry. Having re-read properly and noted "episode polls" Well, they are only internet polls amongst a self selected group of fans, so you'd expect a lot of +ive bias.
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None. The introductory clip was crap, but I'm happy to ignore that and form an opinion once she's had her first proper episode... which is anywhere between a year and 18 months away still (unless she's in the Christmas episode, which I suppose is possible).
Where are you getting 18 months from? Christmas is eight months away and the next series around about a year. |
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First impressions - I thought it was beyond dreadful. The worst bits of Rose, Martha, Donna (from Bride) and Clara all rolled into one for me, somehow, along with the worst kind of writing for Peter's Doctor (mere soundbites, glib, no meaning, no perceived menace beyond the 'comedic').
Incredibly disappointed, but it is only a teaser. A huge mis-step for now imho to toss out something like that. BUT - I will only take to her (or not) when she has a series proper
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feels a bit like a Martha Jones all over again to me... will give her a chance thou
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feels a bit like a Martha Jones all over again to me... will give her a chance thou
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The new companion or assistant comes off as incredibly thick and dim.
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The new companion or assistant comes off as incredibly thick and dim.
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can't believe there's negativity to a character we've seen a few second of. IMO, my first sights of Pearl were very refreshing.... despite the awful intro, I found the character quite funny. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Bill's story is and I'm already wondering is she from the 1980s..... ???? Who knows. Can't wait to find out. I'm sure Pearl will impress is loads, a la Tate. She'll be fantastic, I can feel it.
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I voted none... I didn't like the skit, and that's due to its execution, but I can't judge Pearl on it as I think that's unfair, and is not a good sample size to fully feel a performance, good or bad... The actress has obviously impressed the casting people and they go through a lot of people so clearly she has talent..
Watching the first episode with the new companion will be the true test... and best of luck to the actress.. |
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#69 |
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I voted none... I didn't like the skit, and that's due to its execution, but I can't judge Pearl on it as I think that's unfair, and is not a good sample size to fully feel a performance, good or bad... The actress has obviously impressed the casting people and they go through a lot of people so clearly she has talent..
Watching the first episode with the new companion will be the true test... and best of luck to the actress.. |
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feels a bit like a Martha Jones all over again to me... will give her a chance thou
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I'm trying to think of a female companion who fits your criteria from the shows long history
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The companion is never going to be quiet and submissive. Because nothing in the episode would ever happen and there would be no point in them even existing.
Perhaps some people's idea of "drama" is two people constantly shouting and arguing, but for other people, drama can be more subtle: about things unspoken, about feelings never expressed and about relationships which don't need to be expressed with words. And maybe some people's idea of a "heroine" is some lady who is loud, tough and obnoxious. But to others, the idea of a true heroine is someone who displays quiet dignity, grace, and self control and humbles herself, not seeking to be the center of attention. |
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#72 |
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Well the first companion I remember watching was Ace, and I really liked her, as well as Rose and Martha too. To me, those three girls just seemed just like nice, normal, feminine girls. They always treated the Doctor with due respect, and never gave him lip or spoke down to him. I can't imagine any of them rudely telling him to "shut up". I simply prefer companions to be like that, and I believe it is in the spirit of this thread to express our preferences here.
Quiet, respectful companions may not be to everyone's taste, but they are to mine. Wilfred was an amazing companion: a total gentleman and a lovely and humble character, very respectful towards the Doctor. His time on the TARDIS was way too short IMO. Perhaps some people's idea of "drama" is two people constantly shouting and arguing, but for other people, drama can be more subtle: about things unspoken, about feelings never expressed and about relationships which don't need to be expressed with words. And maybe some people's idea of a "heroine" is some lady who is loud, tough and obnoxious. But to others, the idea of a true heroine is someone who displays quiet dignity, grace, and self control and humbles herself, not seeking to be the center of attention. Ace certainly respected her "professor"....but quiet and submissive she most definitely wasn't, IMO. |
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Not quite sure how she is like Martha??
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I'm sure she'll be fab, but what about her family that the doctor eventually and almost inadvertently reunites? Have they been cast yet?
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The problem with Martha was how they made the character. She came across as a insecure lady who obviously wanted a screw so having her come across like that its no wonder fans didnt take to her.
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Well, they are only internet polls amongst a self selected group of fans, so you'd expect a lot of +ive bias.