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Old 11-10-2016, 15:31
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BBC Worldwide and Mr Men publishers Sanrio Global have got together to create a series of Mr Men books based on each of the 12 Doctors...

Mr Men to release a series of Doctor Who themed books
It's worrying how badly I actually want these
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Old 11-10-2016, 21:59
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Sounds like The Doctor and Bill ice skating on the Thames in Dollard's episode is a thing which happens...


..before they get put in to diving suits and go monster hunting underneath.
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Old 12-10-2016, 14:26
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The poster on GB who posted about the superhero spoiler is now saying it's as a result of a little boy who wishes to be ones, which actually makes sense in a way.

There's also hints of a Cybermen origin story mid series and episode 2 is the one about evil emoticons on mobile phones. Salt, pinch, take but some of these might turn out true.

Episode 1 also has the Doctor posing as a professor at Bill's university and something being hidden in the basement.
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Old 12-10-2016, 20:27
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The poster on GB who posted about the superhero spoiler is now saying it's as a result of a little boy who wishes to be ones, which actually makes sense in a way.

There's also hints of a Cybermen origin story mid series and episode 2 is the one about evil emoticons on mobile phones. Salt, pinch, take but some of these might turn out true.

Episode 1 also has the Doctor posing as a professor at Bill's university and something being hidden in the basement.
Uggh, I had feared the child might be prominent when I saw him in that teaser. That doesn't bode well for me. With the exception of The empty Child/The Doctor Dances, having a child at the heart of the story often tends to ruin a story and bring that story's narrative down to a more childish level. Whenever I hear a child is to be prominent I'm straight away thinking Fear her/night Terrors/in the forest of the night.

The Doctor and a superhero element still sounds good, so hopefully the child isn't in it too much or doesn't ruin it.

As for the rest of that stuff, a cybermen origin story could be good if it doesn't tread on or try to change any established who history, and the 'evil emoticons' thing doesn't sound a particularly strong story concept, and although it may be 'current', stories involving mobile phones/computers in that way don't really appeal to me (as part of my watching who is too see stories that aren't about present day everyday things) personally that much. It sounds a little too familiar to The Bells of St John as a concept.

The most thing I'm looking forward to for series 10 so far is to see Bill, and by extension getting to see the 12th Doctor long term without Clara there trying to outdo him.
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Old 13-10-2016, 00:31
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There's also hints of a Cybermen origin story mid series and episode 2 is the one about evil emoticons on mobile phones. Salt, pinch, take but some of these might turn out true.

Episode 1 also has the Doctor posing as a professor at Bill's university and something being hidden in the basement.
They need to do something different with the cybermen at least. Usage of them has been repeatedly sloppy post-Series 2. It's a shame as in theory they are capable of being the creepiest thing on the show, but there's not been a script good enough to play up to that. Even at their height in Series 2 they were consigned to being Dalek-fodder pretty quickly. Then they amounted to a joke in The Next Doctor with that laughable robot, they only cameo'd in Series 5, were consigned to filler material for Series 6, were inventively used but poorly realised in Series 7, and were reduced to pawns in Series 8. Their absence in Series 9 was actually a welcome relief as it was good to free up the space for other things (in the same way I now feel it would be a relief to not see Gatiss taking up a spot in the writing line-up... let someone else have a chance!). Hopefully there's a decent idea in mind if bringing them back again over, say, the Sontarans, the Silurians or the Weeping Angels.

As for the concept of the first episode, it sounds very much like the first episode of Buffy's final season. That's no bad thing! Admittedly the two will likely have little in common, but it's great to get good vibes for Series 10 at least!
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Old 13-10-2016, 01:01
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Interesting information at last, even if you do have to take it with a pinch of salt!
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Old 14-10-2016, 15:01
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From the same poster on GB ....

Originally Posted by FANNY View Post
From my source last night -
After last series disappointing ratings, the BBC are concerned and the tone of the upcoming series is pitched more to children rather than the dark feel of the last series.
I asked about the length of the Cybermen story - my source did not know if it was a one or two parter.
The Weeping Angels are returning.
Also, Michelle Gomez has confirmed that Missy is back ....

http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2016...for-series-10/
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Old 14-10-2016, 19:21
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I thought the tone last year was fine, it was the tone of 2014 that I think was the problem and it put people off watching when it came back for 2015, as in : I didn't like it last year I won't bother so much this.

EDIT Admittedly last year was a bit grim in places and I'd not want to see that repeated too often. I just hope they don't go too much the other way and end up with lots of In the Forests of the Nights
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Old 14-10-2016, 21:28
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A series pitched mainly for children in tone?

If that is the case then they may as well show series 10 on cbbc on weekday afternoons.

A childish tone will still make ratings suffer because an entirely different section of the audience will switch off, and probably a larger section than before (like anyone who isn't a child and also older children)

In my opinion, the show should always be a mix of light and dark, fun and serious, and over all appeal to as many people as possible. The best stories and overall series to me are the one's which mix all of those elements and make them all occur naturally and in equal measure throughout (along with a decent plot of course).

A series aimed just at children would be terrible, and the thing is, with a child being seemingly prominent in the Christmas special, and Moffats tendancy to lurch from one extreme to another (as no 2 parters/almost all 2 parters, simplistic non arc 'movie of the week/overcomplicated and nonsensical impossible girl arc, dark 12th Doctor, 'cool' 12th Doctor) I'm concerned that there may be some truth to it.


Also, Michelle Gomez has confirmed that Missy is back ....

http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2016...for-series-10/
Some good news at least.
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Old 14-10-2016, 21:44
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A series aimed just at children would be terrible, and the thing is, with a child being seemingly prominent in the Christmas special, and Moffats tendancy to lurch from one extreme to another (as no 2 parters/almost all 2 parters, simplistic non arc 'movie of the week/overcomplicated and nonsensical impossible girl arc, dark 12th Doctor, 'cool' 12th Doctor) I'm concerned that there may be some truth to it..
Yeah I noticed that.... there's keeping it fresh and doing something different, but jumping from one extreme to the other often means you don't fix problems you just create more
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Old 14-10-2016, 21:58
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Ah, something new for us to obsess over until airing. Marvelous


In other news, Matt Lucas 'loves' Jamie Mathieson's script via Twitter.
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Old 15-10-2016, 02:05
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I remember back in 2007, they were saying that Series 4 was going to be "more fun"... because Series 3 got too serious. I then remembered watching a prosthetic-laden David Tennant being wheeled around by John Simm to the Scissor Sisters and thinking that 'more fun' could be disastrous. They announced that Catherine Tate was coming on board as a full time companion and in spite of quite liking her in The Runaway Bride I was in full-on cynic mode. None of it sounded promising at all. And now looking back, Tate won me over a second time in next to no time, and the fourth series remains (just narrowly) my favourite of the nine we've had. I'm really not too worried about the claim that the show is positioning itself more towards children again - it's the kind of buzz talk you get used to hearing, and frankly this time it's with reason. I loved Series 9 (it's the reason for that 'just narrowly' I wrote a couple of sentences ago) but it was as grown up as Doctor Who should really try to be. There's nothing wrong with it scaling back a bit again from a very intense series. Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but on the face of it there's little to worry about I think.

Good to hear another writer as well - Jamie Mathieson always seemed a very likely one owing to previous comments about ideas he had. Not my favourite writer of the bunch but his episodes are diverse at least and he may well bring something really solid to the table again.

Talk of the Weeping Angels coming back, I'm holding out for them to get the big finale story they deserve... Moffat having one last big timey-wimey adventure with them, maybe even tying them into the Timelord mythology a bit given Rassilon spoke of them back in The End of Time.

I personally thought Missy was confirmed already, but it's otherwise good news. Does it seem likely she's going to appear mid-series, having already appeared in a finale and an opener previously? I maintain a previously expressed opinion that it'd be good to not have the Timelords front-and-centre of the finale this time around... by all means reference them or even include them, but don't give them the finale yet again. Signs Missy might be involved earlier are good.

There's also talk on GB of the Doctor posing as a professor in the opening episode and hiding something/someone in the basement that could well play a major part at the end of the series. Some seem to be suggesting a future incarnation of the Doctor himself, or a future Twelve. If thinking along those lines the only idea that might interest me is the Valeyard.

If the major threat in Series 10 somehow involves any combination of the Valeyard, the Weeping Angels, Rassilon and the Minister of War I'll be very satisfied.
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Old 15-10-2016, 11:58
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A series aimed just at children would be terrible
I don't know about that, those first few seasons back in the 60's were pretty magical.
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Old 15-10-2016, 12:05
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I remember back in 2007, they were saying that Series 4 was going to be "more fun"... because Series 3 got too serious. I then remembered watching a prosthetic-laden David Tennant being wheeled around by John Simm to the Scissor Sisters and thinking that 'more fun' could be disastrous. They announced that Catherine Tate was coming on board as a full time companion and in spite of quite liking her in The Runaway Bride I was in full-on cynic mode. None of it sounded promising at all. And now looking back, Tate won me over a second time in next to no time, and the fourth series remains (just narrowly) my favourite of the nine we've had. I'm really not too worried about the claim that the show is positioning itself more towards children again - it's the kind of buzz talk you get used to hearing, and frankly this time it's with reason. I loved Series 9 (it's the reason for that 'just narrowly' I wrote a couple of sentences ago) but it was as grown up as Doctor Who should really try to be. There's nothing wrong with it scaling back a bit again from a very intense series. Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but on the face of it there's little to worry about I think.
Imo, one of Moffat's strengths is that he's made every series feel different, which has stopped things from feeling too routine and probably why I still find his Who fresh and exciting all these years later.

I mean, I would prefer the darker, more intense tone that Series 9 brought, but I don't think I expected it for the next series. Just have to wait and see what next year brings.
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Old 15-10-2016, 15:21
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The idea of an episode with Missy not written by Moffat could be fun though. I wonder what she'll make of Bill and Nardole though.
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Old 15-10-2016, 15:37
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Next year's series could make the show a big hit again. If it is going to be child/family friendly again. Not too dark, but not too light. Something in the vein of Series 4 which hit the mark every week. The Dalek story last year was good, but should have been put at the end of the season, with a good lead in to it. For me, the best two parter were the Zygon episodes, which said a lot about immigration and how people react on both sides. I'm hoping Bill will be a bit like a younger Donna Noble with no baggage about childhood traumas, cracks in the wall or Timelord related. (It was never confirmed by Mottat that Clara actually visited the Doctor as a child - just intimated. Could have been his father actually!)

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Old 15-10-2016, 15:44
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I think with retooling they could've used the best bits of The Magician's Aprentice/The Witch's Familiar/Heaven Sent/Hell Bent and came up with a super finale.

I also think that either a) Clara should've left at the end of Last Christmas and a new companion should've been introduced at the start of Series 9 b) Face The Raven was moved to episode 6, departed Clara and a temporary companion was added into the Zygon two parter for the remainder of the series.

A Series 4 type of approach for Series 10 would be brilliant. It would also mean a lot of returns for the last batch of Moffat's era and also Capaldi probably heading off with him, leaving Series 11 a complete revamp/fresh start for Chibnall as well.
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Old 15-10-2016, 18:52
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Imo, one of Moffat's strengths is that he's made every series feel different, which has stopped things from feeling too routine and probably why I still find his Who fresh and exciting all these years later.

I mean, I would prefer the darker, more intense tone that Series 9 brought, but I don't think I expected it for the next series. Just have to wait and see what next year brings.
In terms of tone I totally agree. I think it might have been wiser to not mess with the actual structure of the series so frequently (Series 1-5 format...if it ain't broke, y'know?). The reduction to 12 episodes is fine enough, moving about the two-parters is fine too... but structurally some series have suffered because of the immense shifts to only one-part stories, or having a one-part finale, or blurring the lines between two-parters and one-parters.

Bit of a rant, decided to condense into a spoiler box...
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I'm not at all worried about the tone for Series 10...apart from the rather tone-free Series 7, I feel Moffat makes each year feel completely distinct from the last in a coherent enough kind of way. But the one-part finale to Series 6 didn't work for me, the all one-part stories in Series 7 didn't work for me, the veering towards all two-parters in Series 9 didn't work for me. There's a tried and tested formula that seems to work, which benefits any series that seems to stick to it or at least generally adhere to it. I hope we get something that works with that for Series 10, and of course when Chibnall comes along as well.
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Old 15-10-2016, 19:21
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I thought that the typical episode of 'In the Night Garden' was far more engaging and entertaining than 'In the Forest of the Night' and that is aimed at pre-schoolers, so if we are getting more of that, then God help us.
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Old 15-10-2016, 23:28
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I thought that the typical episode of 'In the Night Garden' was far more engaging and entertaining than 'In the Forest of the Night' and that is aimed at pre-schoolers, so if we are getting more of that, then God help us.
Well they have inexplicably hired the writer of that almost universally unliked episode to write another for this series.
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Old 16-10-2016, 00:56
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Well they have inexplicably hired the writer of that almost universally unliked episode to write another for this series.
Well hopefully it will be one of those episodes where the producer (Moffat) basically rewrites the episode completely for the writer.
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Old 16-10-2016, 01:52
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Well hopefully it will be one of those episodes where the producer (Moffat) basically rewrites the episode completely for the writer.
Frank Cottrell Boyce is quite capable of writing a decent script. Moffat wanted a fairytale story in Series 8 and FCB gave him one. For the record I don't feel the script is that bad (barring the ending, which was pretty poor). The issues with the episode range from a dependence on Danny Pink who was still unlikeable even at this late stage in the series, through to the fact the concept behind the episode was perhaps a little too ambitious for the budget.
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Old 16-10-2016, 03:07
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Frank Cottrell Boyce is quite capable of writing a decent script. Moffat wanted a fairytale story in Series 8 and FCB gave him one. For the record I don't feel the script is that bad (barring the ending, which was pretty poor). The issues with the episode range from a dependence on Danny Pink who was still unlikeable even at this late stage in the series, through to the fact the concept behind the episode was perhaps a little too ambitious for the budget.
I think the story falls flat on basically all levels, not all of them are FCB'S fault. I think the first fault was a poor villain, a very poor one at that which took away from the threat of the story and in that moment became a character based story which leads to point 2.

A school excursion doesn't lead to exciting dialogue and as you mentioned Danny who is still unlikable and had a lot of screen time just tops off the mess of the episode. Which lacked structure and enjoyment. At times the story was shooting for different things, for instance do you want this story to be a horror episode or whatever else you were aiming to do.

And the setting was a bit over the top. I feel some guidance might be needed for the next episode FCB writes to make it more coherent and fit in with the mantra of the show a bit more.
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Old 16-10-2016, 08:09
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Well they have inexplicably hired the writer of that almost universally unliked episode to write another for this series.
Well, it gets a bad rap from hardcore Who fans, but ratings and audience appreciation for this episode aren't noticeably worse than for anything else that season, so it certainly wasn't universally unliked.
I found it flawed but generally quite charming. It marked a unusual whimsical interlude in that season and made for a lighter pause before the dark and disturbing finale. Not my favourite by any means, but a further viewing certainly improved the story.
As to why FCB has been hired again. Well he's a hugely respected and accomplished writer. Maybe this time he'll be come up with something more in keeping and more to the taste of the fans?
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Old 16-10-2016, 08:44
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Well, it gets a bad rap from hardcore Who fans, but ratings and audience appreciation for this episode aren't noticeably worse than for anything else that season, so it certainly wasn't universally unliked.
I found it flawed but generally quite charming. It marked a unusual whimsical interlude in that season and made for a lighter pause before the dark and disturbing finale. Not my favourite by any means, but a further viewing certainly improved the story.
As to why FCB has been hired again. Well he's a hugely respected and accomplished writer. Maybe this time he'll be come up with something more in keeping and more to the taste of the fans?
Well the ratings aren't a measure of success, no one knows the quality of an episode before hand, and the fan consensus of the episode was terrible. Every review, comment, everything was poor. And that is thus proven by the fact that the best anyone says about it is, it had problems but it was alright.
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