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Well done, the Hillsborough families and associates. It's been a long struggle but you stuck with it and exposed the lies and cover ups. Well done.
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Football fans were treated like shit in those days.
I was involved in several dangerous crowd crush incidents in the 80s. In all cases the police were just standing there watching. Some were even making it worse by pushing the crowd onto each other, or using horses to do it. Those horses would piss on you as well. It was not a surprise to me when all those people died. It was waiting to happen. |
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Justice for the 96, so, so pleased for the families etc...
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
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Football fans also behaved like shit in those days. I don't mean the victims of Hillsborough of course nor fans in general but there was a hardcore minority causing absolute mayhem.
If you lived in a town with a major club, every other Saturday would render the town impassable, shops boarded up and so forth. No joke if you were not remotely interested in football and just wanted to get on with life. Increrdible how different things are now. Lets hope those dark days are behind us for good. It is interesting though that people often behave how you expect them to. I do wonder how much of hooliganisim was actually driven by how fans were treated rather than being a response to it. |
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Brilliant result, couldn't have been better really. Seems the only people there that day that weren't to blame were the fans.
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Football fans also behaved like shit in those days. I don't mean the victims of Hillsborough of course nor fans in general but there was a hardcore minority causing absolute mayhem.
If you lived in a town with a major club, every other Saturday would render the town impassable, shops boarded up and so forth. No joke if you were not remotely interested in football and just wanted to get on with life. Increrdible how different things are now. Lets hope those dark days are behind us for good. It is interesting though that people often behave how you expect them to. I do wonder how much of hooliganisim was actually driven by how fans were treated rather than being a response to it. |
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
The families (and victims) were treated horrifically both at the time and for many, many years thereafter. Were it not for a concerted and frankly outrageous cover up by those in authority, none of what followed (including what you charmingly describe as "moaning", and "finger pointing") would have been necessary. As with the recent sex abuse scandals, these issues simply have to be aired, however uncomfortable, or else society can never move on. |
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
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Football fans also behaved like shit in those days. I don't mean the victims of Hillsborough of course nor fans in general but there was a hardcore minority causing absolute mayhem.
If you lived in a town with a major club, every other Saturday would render the town impassable, shops boarded up and so forth. No joke if you were not remotely interested in football and just wanted to get on with life. Increrdible how different things are now. Lets hope those dark days are behind us for good. It is interesting though that people often behave how you expect them to. I do wonder how much of hooliganisim was actually driven by how fans were treated rather than being a response to it. |
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
There will now likely be prosecutions (criminal) of several police officers for offences up to and including manslaughter. May be some prosecutions for the Sheffield Wednesday ground management also. |
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
Very wrong. You can't justify talking nonsense by saying "Let's be honest." |
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
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Why the hell have you brought the behaviour of fans and holliganism into a thread on Hillsborough?
the reason (imo) that the 'official' version of what happened at Hillsborough went unchallenged for so long (and has taken so long to be resolved) is that the whole football culture of those days allowed the finger to be pointed at the fans without much of a murmur from the lay person |
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According to a jury who have sat for two years you are 100% wrong in this case.
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
wow...... |
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
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Good grief some people just can't admit to bring wrong.
Very wrong. You can't justify talking nonsense by saying "Let's be honest." |
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According to a jury who have sat for two years you are 100% wrong in this case.
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The last? It's just the beginning.
There will now likely be prosecutions (criminal) of several police officers for offences up to and including manslaughter. May be some prosecutions for the Sheffield Wednesday ground management also. |
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it is relevant though
the reason (imo) that the 'official' version of what happened at Hillsborough went unchallenged for so long (and has taken so long to be resolved) is that the whole football culture of those days allowed the finger to be pointed at the fans without much of a murmur from the lay person |
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It's not relevant. The jury are right, you're wrong.
I'm not disagreeing with the jury, I'm firmly on the side of the victims, and the families of the victims did you misread or just misunderstand my post? |
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It wasn't unanimous
Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation... |
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Agree with the findings,but some of the boozed up ticketless fans that arrived late should have been added to the list.
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It wasn't unanimous
Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation... |
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I'm surprised it didn't happen more often given the state of English football grounds in those days, like something out of the stone age.
I notice the FA have got away scot free as per usual, I still believe there were grounds available far more suitable for that match than Hillsborough and the ticket allocation seemed to me to be a factor too. An 'accident' waiting to happen. |
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