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Old 26-04-2016, 12:35
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Well done, the Hillsborough families and associates. It's been a long struggle but you stuck with it and exposed the lies and cover ups. Well done.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:38
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Football fans were treated like shit in those days.

I was involved in several dangerous crowd crush incidents in the 80s. In all cases the police were just standing there watching. Some were even making it worse by pushing the crowd onto each other, or using horses to do it. Those horses would piss on you as well.

It was not a surprise to me when all those people died. It was waiting to happen.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:42
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Justice for the 96, so, so pleased for the families etc...
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:42
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:46
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Football fans also behaved like shit in those days. I don't mean the victims of Hillsborough of course nor fans in general but there was a hardcore minority causing absolute mayhem.

If you lived in a town with a major club, every other Saturday would render the town impassable, shops boarded up and so forth. No joke if you were not remotely interested in football and just wanted to get on with life.

Increrdible how different things are now. Lets hope those dark days are behind us for good. It is interesting though that people often behave how you expect them to. I do wonder how much of hooliganisim was actually driven by how fans were treated rather than being a response to it.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:47
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Brilliant result, couldn't have been better really. Seems the only people there that day that weren't to blame were the fans.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:49
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Football fans also behaved like shit in those days. I don't mean the victims of Hillsborough of course nor fans in general but there was a hardcore minority causing absolute mayhem.

If you lived in a town with a major club, every other Saturday would render the town impassable, shops boarded up and so forth. No joke if you were not remotely interested in football and just wanted to get on with life.

Increrdible how different things are now. Lets hope those dark days are behind us for good. It is interesting though that people often behave how you expect them to. I do wonder how much of hooliganisim was actually driven by how fans were treated rather than being a response to it.
Why the hell have you brought the behaviour of fans and holliganism into a thread on Hillsborough?
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:51
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
No, but everyone is entitled to justice.

The families (and victims) were treated horrifically both at the time and for many, many years thereafter. Were it not for a concerted and frankly outrageous cover up by those in authority, none of what followed (including what you charmingly describe as "moaning", and "finger pointing") would have been necessary.

As with the recent sex abuse scandals, these issues simply have to be aired, however uncomfortable, or else society can never move on.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:51
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:52
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Football fans also behaved like shit in those days. I don't mean the victims of Hillsborough of course nor fans in general but there was a hardcore minority causing absolute mayhem.

If you lived in a town with a major club, every other Saturday would render the town impassable, shops boarded up and so forth. No joke if you were not remotely interested in football and just wanted to get on with life.

Increrdible how different things are now. Lets hope those dark days are behind us for good. It is interesting though that people often behave how you expect them to. I do wonder how much of hooliganisim was actually driven by how fans were treated rather than being a response to it.
According to a jury who have sat for two years you are 100% wrong in this case.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:52
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
The last? It's just the beginning.

There will now likely be prosecutions (criminal) of several police officers for offences up to and including manslaughter.

May be some prosecutions for the Sheffield Wednesday ground management also.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:53
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
Good grief some people just can't admit to bring wrong.
Very wrong.
You can't justify talking nonsense by saying "Let's be honest."
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:53
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
Well it wasn't a trial for a start.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:53
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Why the hell have you brought the behaviour of fans and holliganism into a thread on Hillsborough?
it is relevant though

the reason (imo) that the 'official' version of what happened at Hillsborough went unchallenged for so long (and has taken so long to be resolved) is that the whole football culture of those days allowed the finger to be pointed at the fans without much of a murmur from the lay person
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:55
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According to a jury who have sat for two years you are 100% wrong in this case.
Indeed which is why I said that in my opening line.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:55
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.

wow......
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:55
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
I despair.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:56
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Good grief some people just can't admit to bring wrong.
Very wrong.
You can't justify talking nonsense by saying "Let's be honest."
The people that died were completely innocent people, completely innocent victims of a horrible event. That is undeniable
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:57
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According to a jury who have sat for two years you are 100% wrong in this case.
It wasn't unanimous

The last? It's just the beginning.

There will now likely be prosecutions (criminal) of several police officers for offences up to and including manslaughter.

May be some prosecutions for the Sheffield Wednesday ground management also.
Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation...
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:57
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it is relevant though

the reason (imo) that the 'official' version of what happened at Hillsborough went unchallenged for so long (and has taken so long to be resolved) is that the whole football culture of those days allowed the finger to be pointed at the fans without much of a murmur from the lay person
It's not relevant. The jury are right, you're wrong.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:59
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It's not relevant. The jury are right, you're wrong.
eh???


I'm not disagreeing with the jury, I'm firmly on the side of the victims, and the families of the victims

did you misread or just misunderstand my post?
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Old 26-04-2016, 13:00
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It wasn't unanimous



Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation...
It's what the coroner deemed to be acceptable, not good enough for you?Don't start on the compo nonsense, you'd have to be spectacularly and willfully uninformed to think that has been a motivator in this case.
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Old 26-04-2016, 13:01
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Agree with the findings,but some of the boozed up ticketless fans that arrived late should have been added to the list.
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Old 26-04-2016, 13:01
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It wasn't unanimous



Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation...
BIB - on whether the fans contributed to what happened the jury unanimously said that they didn't. The only question on which a majority verdict was needed was whether or not they were unlawfully killed.
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Old 26-04-2016, 13:01
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I'm surprised it didn't happen more often given the state of English football grounds in those days, like something out of the stone age.

I notice the FA have got away scot free as per usual, I still believe there were grounds available far more suitable for that match than Hillsborough and the ticket allocation seemed to me to be a factor too.

An 'accident' waiting to happen.
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