Walterwhite:
“Why the hell have you brought the behaviour of fans and holliganism into a thread on Hillsborough?”

You: it is relevant though

They couldn't 'move on' (whatever that means) because of the lack of a fair investigation into events. What they should do or feel now, I wouldn't presume to dictate since I've never been through what they have.
But this thread is a tribute to truly staggering perseverance in the face of many obstacles. That's the most impressive memorial for the dead. They've done their lost family members proud.

Football fans were all working class oiky scumbags who's welfare was not worth bothering with.

"I say Inspector, those yobs have the temerity to walk down the road wearing vulgar scarves! Can't you do anything about it?"

"I can Sir. Right away Sir. We'll sort them out Sir. 'Perkins - take twelve men and bash those football fans'."

"Good man."

Why is there an upside down comma on the g in the thread title?

Because post 2 said that fans were treated appalingly in the 80's. I agree. But if you want to change something you have to understand it in the round. Which means understanding the perception of those who were treating fans badly.

Also because I think the two things are wholly connected. I think if you treat people badly they behave badly for one thing.

I also think a lot of the non football going population had a perception that was that football fans were warring troublemakers. That may have been wrong or ill informed but it was very prevelant.

wow - cherrypicked to make out I'm saying something I'm not

it is relevant for the reasons I outlined - I can't say it any more simply

the culture of the time contributed to the difficulty in gaining justice for the victims (imo)

it made it easy to finger point in the wrong direction

I will never believe that anyone could foresee what would happen as result of their actions on that day, therefore I will never believe that people were "killed".
I'm with the 2 out of 9 on that one.
What I believe is not important in the great scheme of things

That's the only bit I have a problem with

David Conn from The Guardian has been following and reporting from the Inquest for the past 2 years and here is his definitive account.

I thought it couldn't shock me anymore, but it did. The Police failings are staggering.


http://www.theguardian.com/football/...lasted-decades

Fair enough, you clutch to those straws.

I think after Bradford it was very obvious indeed that penning spectators in was an accident (of some sort) waiting to happen.

Yawn!! Yawn! Now the relatives have got what they wanted, they should move on and there should absolutely be no prosecutions. It won't bring the 96 back. Most of the country is sick to the back teeth of hearing the H word.

Nowhere near the end. There will be criminal cases to answer to now.

I think if someone you loved was unlawfully killed, you'd want to get to the bottom of it and would want to see those responsible held to account.

Does this thread have the potential for "hating" of the victims and their families? That would be very sad.
But it would not be a great surprise.
We have a " Migrant discussion" thread on page one of this forum which has turned into a hate filled rant against Refugees and Migrants.

All human life is here. Unfortunately.

My apologies, distracted by the trolls on here.

Ok I'm wrong,
My opinion is irrelevant in the end

it's fine

misunderstandings happen

Must add that it's quite telling that it wasn't a unanimous verdict.

Let me guess.............you read the sun

[quote=Osusana;82228746]It wasn't unanimous



Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation...[/QUOTE

Cheap cynicism is terribly fashionable these days; sometimes it is even justified. But not here - who battles on for 27 years for a few quid? No, the families were fighting for the truth and for a justice that few other people cared about. Their dogged determination has been spectacular and I am impressed by it and glad they got there in the end.

what does it telll you?

They didn't have to foresee anything. For negligent manslaughter there are four requirements: that a duty of care is owed, that the duty was breached, that the breach caused death and that the negligence that led to the breach was gross (a blatant disregard to the life and safety of others to such a degree that it requires punishment).

To me the first three criteria are very obviously fulfilled, the fourth I can understand some doubt but for me it is fulfilled also.

Me too. Yes, the police made mistakes but those fans weren't unlawfully killed in my opinion.

You should have left your first version of your post as it was. No need to flaunt your spite.

I'd agree with that even though i'm not a football fan. I could never understand the mentality behind crowds packed on to terraces standing behind metal bars, yet peculiarly for some that was what they wanted. Perhaps some footie fans from bygone days can explain the 'attraction' of that as i'm afraid i never could understand it.

Thankfully Hillsborough put an end to it yet only four years earlier 56 people had been killed at the Bradford City FC fire. An antiquated stand made primarily of wood with piles of litter underneath which had been left to gather over the years. That was a ticking time bomb.

I'm glad about the inquest result which imo was the right verdict.


What reasons were they lawfully killed then?