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I'm not disagreeing with the jury, I'm firmly on the side of the victims, and the families of the victims did you misread or just misunderstand my post? “Why the hell have you brought the behaviour of fans and holliganism into a thread on Hillsborough?” You: it is relevant though |
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
But this thread is a tribute to truly staggering perseverance in the face of many obstacles. That's the most impressive memorial for the dead. They've done their lost family members proud. |
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Football fans were all working class oiky scumbags who's welfare was not worth bothering with.
"I say Inspector, those yobs have the temerity to walk down the road wearing vulgar scarves! Can't you do anything about it?" "I can Sir. Right away Sir. We'll sort them out Sir. 'Perkins - take twelve men and bash those football fans'." "Good man." |
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Why is there an upside down comma on the g in the thread title?
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Why the hell have you brought the behaviour of fans and holliganism into a thread on Hillsborough?
Also because I think the two things are wholly connected. I think if you treat people badly they behave badly for one thing. I also think a lot of the non football going population had a perception that was that football fans were warring troublemakers. That may have been wrong or ill informed but it was very prevelant. |
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“Why the hell have you brought the behaviour of fans and holliganism into a thread on Hillsborough?” You: it is relevant though wow - cherrypicked to make out I'm saying something I'm not it is relevant for the reasons I outlined - I can't say it any more simply the culture of the time contributed to the difficulty in gaining justice for the victims (imo) it made it easy to finger point in the wrong direction |
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It's what the coroner deemed to be acceptable, not good enough for you?Don't start on the compo nonsense, you'd have to be spectacularly and willfully uninformed to think that has been a motivator in this case.
I'm with the 2 out of 9 on that one. What I believe is not important in the great scheme of things |
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BIB - on whether the fans contributed to what happened the jury unanimously said that they didn't. The only question on which a majority verdict was needed was whether or not they were unlawfully killed.
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David Conn from The Guardian has been following and reporting from the Inquest for the past 2 years and here is his definitive account.
I thought it couldn't shock me anymore, but it did. The Police failings are staggering. http://www.theguardian.com/football/...lasted-decades |
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I will never believe that anyone could foresee what would happen as result of their actions on that day, therefore I will never believe that people were "killed".
I'm with the 2 out of 9 on that one. |
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I will never believe that anyone could foresee what would happen as result of their actions on that day, therefore I will never believe that people were "killed".
I'm with the 2 out of 9 on that one. |
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Yawn!! Yawn! Now the relatives have got what they wanted, they should move on and there should absolutely be no prosecutions. It won't bring the 96 back. Most of the country is sick to the back teeth of hearing the H word.
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
I think if someone you loved was unlawfully killed, you'd want to get to the bottom of it and would want to see those responsible held to account. |
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Does this thread have the potential for "hating" of the victims and their families? That would be very sad.
But it would not be a great surprise. We have a " Migrant discussion" thread on page one of this forum which has turned into a hate filled rant against Refugees and Migrants. All human life is here. Unfortunately. |
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wow - cherrypicked to make out I'm saying something I'm not
it is relevant for the reasons I outlined - I can't say it any more simply the culture of the time contributed to the difficulty in gaining justice for the victims (imo) it made it easy to finger point in the wrong direction |
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Fair enough, you clutch to those straws.
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I think after Bradford it was very obvious indeed that penning spectators in was an accident (of some sort) waiting to happen.
My opinion is irrelevant in the end |
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My apologies, distracted by the trolls on here.
misunderstandings happen |
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Must add that it's quite telling that it wasn't a unanimous verdict.
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Yawn!! Yawn! Now the relatives have got what they wanted, they should move on and there should absolutely be no prosecutions. It won't bring the 96 back. Most of the country is sick to the back teeth of hearing the H word.
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[quote=Osusana;82228746]It wasn't unanimous
Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation...[/QUOTE Cheap cynicism is terribly fashionable these days; sometimes it is even justified. But not here - who battles on for 27 years for a few quid? No, the families were fighting for the truth and for a justice that few other people cared about. Their dogged determination has been spectacular and I am impressed by it and glad they got there in the end. |
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Must add that it's quite telling that it wasn't a unanimous verdict.
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I will never believe that anyone could foresee what would happen as result of their actions on that day, therefore I will never believe that people were "killed".
I'm with the 2 out of 9 on that one. What I believe is not important in the great scheme of things To me the first three criteria are very obviously fulfilled, the fourth I can understand some doubt but for me it is fulfilled also. |
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I will never believe that anyone could foresee what would happen as result of their actions on that day, therefore I will never believe that people were "killed".
I'm with the 2 out of 9 on that one. |
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Yawn!! Yawn! Now the relatives have got what they wanted, they should move on and there should absolutely be no prosecutions. It won't bring the 96 back. Most of the country is sick to the back teeth of hearing the H word.
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I'm surprised it didn't happen more often given the state of English football grounds in those days, like something out of the stone age.
I notice the FA have got away scot free as per usual, I still believe there were grounds available far more suitable for that match than Hillsborough and the ticket allocation seemed to me to be a factor too. An 'accident' waiting to happen. Perhaps some footie fans from bygone days can explain the 'attraction' of that as i'm afraid i never could understand it. ![]() Thankfully Hillsborough put an end to it yet only four years earlier 56 people had been killed at the Bradford City FC fire. An antiquated stand made primarily of wood with piles of litter underneath which had been left to gather over the years. That was a ticking time bomb. I'm glad about the inquest result which imo was the right verdict. Quote:
Me too. Yes, the police made mistakes but those fans weren't unlawfully killed in my opinion.
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