That sounds something like SYP would say. talk about spin.
Would like to know exactly who your talking about, the people on this thread or the familys and the people involved fighting for justice.

my position is 100% clear throughout this thread - I support the families and those fighting for justice entirely and believe those that failed, or covered up, or lied should be brought to task


what I don't believe is that every police officer in the force (or in the land as some would have it) should be tarred with the brush created by a few

I think you are the one spinning it

No your not saying that, your hiding behind that to stop criticism of SYP.
Be specific, just what has anyone said to blame every police officer in SYP and in your words .the land.
If you followed the inquest you will find many SYP were praised for there actions by all the family's.

I was replying to somebody who was referencing the thread - the comments are nothing to do with the inquest, the families or anyone involved in the fight for justice

perhaps you could explain why you think I would want to stop valid criticism - particularly of SYP?
as I said anyone that lied, covered up, or failed should feel the full force of the law without exception

Ive no idea of your motives,I can only judge on your remarks and they speak for themselves. you made a sweeping statement.
Based on what? just what have you read that justifys that sweeping statement.

As I think Andy Burnham said, the first instinct of the police is not the protection of the public but the protection of their fellow officers come hell or high water. I for one, believe that this attitude is endemic right across the UK.

I was replying to a post about keeping the focus on those responsible

and so we should

I think there is certainly an element of self preservation, over and over again people don't speak out for fear of the repercussions, not only in the police force but in the medical profession (just one example) - I think the days of 'jobs for the boys' are coming to an end thankfully, but I still think it unfair to tar all officers with the same brush

imo that was how this was covered up and dragged on for so long - football supporters were tarred with the brush of hooliganism allowing the media and authorities to easily shift the blame - if the default position is that all police officers are borderline corrupt then that is just as damaging to the legal system

I'm old enough to clearly remember Hillsborough happening and most of the public fell for the bullshit (myself included)

I've not followed this religiously but weren't the police still maintaining the lie that the fans were obstructive, drunk etc right up to and during the last 2 years - if so he would have overseen all of that.

As many have said, the case is about 2 things - the errors on the day and the cover-up ever since.

The celebration pics in the press looked more like lottery winners than grieving families. If I lost a family member I wouldn't be dancing in the street. Then I read about the millions in compo they are seeking . . .

They have spent the best part of 30 years grieving, yesterday was about celebration (albeit tinged with sadness) - nobody with an ounce on humanity would deny them that

and that's a far more rational answer than your post deserved

Just when you thought the comments couldn't get any more cretinous.......

The fact is that a situation like this could arise again. Substitute football hooligans for migrants

Now I'm not saying that the Liverpool supporters were hooligans that day but in the minds of many the British public due to past events that is how they were viewed. Particularly Liverpool due to Hysel. So a newspaper like Sun was doing what is always does tap into the public mood of the moment and inflame it with headlines stories. Police knew they could spin and there was a segment of public who wanted to believe the police over Liverpool fans so no matter what was revealed it didn't matter.

Scroll forward to now. Say 96 migrants were killed. Who do you think DM would blame? How many of its readers wouldn't care if what the police said was a cover up? Hmm....

Didn't take long for the compensation claim to come out did it?

Seeing as the families covered their own costs I think it's fair enough.

I would class them as malicious.

Not heard of the Hillsborough Family Support Group then?

Steven Gerrard and John Bishop and another Liverpool manager each donated £96000 to the group. I doubt the families spent a penny.

Well you would be wrong then, I wont mention the names but there are people who have been put into heavy debt due to fighting Hillsborough.
The cost for this inquest was covered but the bills started piling up 27 yrs ago,

I remember watching it on TV, it was shown live.

Because it was only four years after the Heysel Stadium disaster, which also involved Liverpool supporters it was very easy for SYP to plant the "seed" of their version of events because they knew people would readily make their own link between the two events, plus the police were much more likely to be believed then.

The match wasn't shown live IIRC. Grandstand, however switched to the live coverage when it became clear something was going on. Back then cup semi-finals weren't shown live.

I also remember the day well.

I saw the footage like everyone else. The footage showed nothing the police claimed. None of it.

And by the time everything is settled, legal, compensation, this tragedy will come close to 1/2 a billion pounds.

What price lies, deceit and slurs.

Sorry, that is what I meant. The BBC switched coverage to Hillsborough once it was apparent what was happening, I didn't mean the match itself.

they didn't say the match was scheduled to be shown live, just that they saw it live which was perfectly possible as it was being filmed for MOTD that evening and grandstand switched to it

I don't really understand the point of this post - the event was shown live, whether it was scheduled to be or not is irrelevant

Now that there has been an inquest verdict of unlawful death, will the relatives be entitled to the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board pay out?*

(*I just ask out of interest. From memory the CICB payment for loss of life is laughably small, and for me the families can have as much as they like anyway. I wouldn't have wanted what they've gone through for the last 3 decades for all the tea in China).

Cretinous doesn't even come close.

Some people just don't like to lose or have their prejudices utterly shattered and in their confused state lash out with spite and bile.