Any subsequent lying and cover ups is very serious and should and must be followed up. However, it is completely irrelevant when considering what actions or omissions lead to the 96 deaths. They are two separate issues.

Any subsequent trial based on the unlawful killing decision should take into account whether those in authority acted in good faith (ie doing what they thought was the best decision), also other aspects such as training - were officers even higher up in the command structure correct in giving the match control duties to the people they did, and were they given enough support.

Finally - Justice.

Now let the CPS get on with what should have been done years ago.

YNWA JFT96

When people blame fans, they often refer to fans being intoxicated by alcohol. Had nobody who didn't have a ticket gone to the match, the disaster wouldn't have happened. That is a fact.

People still attend away matches without buying tickets before they set off. Luckily this hasn't led to tragedy but it could do one day.

There are also football fans who want to bring back standing, and groun ds in the lower leagues that are not all-seater.

I said that, so cheers for pointing out my own words

Is it a fact though? How many people went to Hillsborough without a ticket?

Sounds like you are blaming the fans to me.

That is totally irrelevant when considering what caused the deaths on the day.

Well why are you giving an opinion that you know is absolute rubbish?

Why? Is that not true , or where they all saints?

Mine neither. If we were all prosecuted when we did our jobs badly on occasion most of us would spend some years in prision I suspect. Nevertheless systemic failinsg are something that interest me and are something well worth looking at and understanding. But you need to look at all facets to do that, even those that some find distasteful. And sometimes you need to look without seeking to aportion blame.

How, its not a separate entity, the lies and stories that followed were constructed to COVER UP failures, what does that tell you?

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So you're telling me no civil cases for compensation will now not follow?

Have you watched the verdicts and the questions the Jurors had to answer or cant you get past the propaganda that the papers spewed out

No it's not true. How many 'boozed up' and 'ticketless' fans were there?

There's a difference between doing a job badly and deliberately covering up what happened.

The times of deaths of so many is telling, so many after the 3.15pm cut off.

Saint or sinner they're all dead when they didn't have to be. Luckily they had families who took on the Herculean task of digging out the truth of what happened. They have done well by their lost ones - good on them.

Cover ups, police statements altered, lies and falsehoods spread are not systemic failings-----or maybe they are!

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would it matter if there was?, would it change the fact that these families have been to hell and back to clear their loved ones name and find out exactly how their love ones died.

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No need to be that cynical.

I am sure that any civil compensation awarded, paid by the taxpayers of the UK, will be donated by the families to charity and good causes.

Reading that Guardian article, they may as well have plucked a random stranger off the street and put them in charge. I hope Duckenfield for one feels the full weight of the law.

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Do your trolling elsewhere Codeblue.

Not up for personal debate, not relevant to this thread

It tells me people were scared and trying to cover their backsides. Nothing more.

None of the 96 would be alive now if there had not been a cover up.

Yeah i'd be pretty scared if my actions had directly lead to the deaths of 96 innocent people.

It wasn't a trial, it was an inquiry and what was unfair about it?

The problem here though is that everything here was televised. People who saw the coverage KNEW the police story was lies. Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies and more lies.