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perhaps you wouldn't
but then if your 'loved one' was painted as something that you knew they weren't, and the authorities were lying and then lying some more to cover their arses, you might not have quite the same attitude Any subsequent trial based on the unlawful killing decision should take into account whether those in authority acted in good faith (ie doing what they thought was the best decision), also other aspects such as training - were officers even higher up in the command structure correct in giving the match control duties to the people they did, and were they given enough support. |
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Finally - Justice.
Now let the CPS get on with what should have been done years ago. YNWA JFT96 |
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When people blame fans, they often refer to fans being intoxicated by alcohol. Had nobody who didn't have a ticket gone to the match, the disaster wouldn't have happened. That is a fact.
People still attend away matches without buying tickets before they set off. Luckily this hasn't led to tragedy but it could do one day. There are also football fans who want to bring back standing, and groun ds in the lower leagues that are not all-seater. |
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The jurors listened to 2 years of evidence, a lot of which has not been made public.
So frankly your opinion is completely worthless. |
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When people blame fans, they often refer to fans being intoxicated by alcohol. Had nobody who didn't have a ticket gone to the match, the disaster wouldn't have happened. That is a fact.
People still attend away matches without buying tickets before they set off. Luckily this hasn't led to tragedy but it could do one day. There are also football fans who want to bring back standing, and groun ds in the lower leagues that are not all-seater. Sounds like you are blaming the fans to me. |
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It's not just that the police actions may have caused it; there axppears to have been a deliberate attempt to not only cover up potential criminal conduct; but an attempt to place the blame on the victims. They collaborated with their mates in the scum press to do this.
And a drunk driver doesn't deliberately mean any harm. |
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I said that, so cheers for pointing out my own words
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Pathetic comment.
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I would just like to think that if it happened to me, I would not be pursuing prosecutions of people who did not deliberately mean any harm to my loved one.
An eye for an eye is not always justice in my world If we were all prosecuted when we did our jobs badly on occasion most of us would spend some years in prision I suspect. Nevertheless systemic failinsg are something that interest me and are something well worth looking at and understanding. But you need to look at all facets to do that, even those that some find distasteful. And sometimes you need to look without seeking to aportion blame.
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That is totally irrelevant when considering what caused the deaths on the day.
How, its not a separate entity, the lies and stories that followed were constructed to COVER UP failures, what does that tell you? |
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[quote=academia;82228903] Quote:
It wasn't unanimous
Don't forget the lengthy queue for compensation...[/QUOTE Cheap cynicism is terribly fashionable these days; sometimes it is even justified. But not here - who battles on for 27 years for a few quid? No, the families were fighting for the truth and for a justice that few other people cared about. Their dogged determination has been spectacular and I am impressed by it and glad they got there in the end. |
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Why? Is that not true , or where they all saints?
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Why? Is that not true , or where they all saints?
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Mine neither.
If we were all prosecuted when we did our jobs badly on occasion most of us would spend some years in prision I suspect. Nevertheless systemic failinsg are something that interest me and are something well worth looking at and understanding. But you need to look at all facets to do that, even those that some find distasteful. And sometimes you need to look without seeking to aportion blame.The times of deaths of so many is telling, so many after the 3.15pm cut off. |
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Why? Is that not true , or where they all saints?
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Mine neither.
If we were all prosecuted when we did our jobs badly on occasion most of us would spend some years in prision I suspect. Nevertheless systemic failinsg are something that interest me and are something well worth looking at and understanding. But you need to look at all facets to do that, even those that some find distasteful. And sometimes you need to look without seeking to aportion blame. |
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So you're telling me no civil cases for compensation will now not follow? |
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So you're telling me no civil cases for compensation will now not follow? I am sure that any civil compensation awarded, paid by the taxpayers of the UK, will be donated by the families to charity and good causes. |
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Reading that Guardian article, they may as well have plucked a random stranger off the street and put them in charge. I hope Duckenfield for one feels the full weight of the law.
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No need to be that cynical. I am sure that any civil compensation awarded, paid by the taxpayers of the UK, will be donated by the families to charity and good causes. |
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Well why are you giving an opinion that you know is absolute rubbish?
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How, its not a separate entity, the lies and stories that followed were constructed to COVER UP failures, what does that tell you?
None of the 96 would be alive now if there had not been a cover up. |
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It tells me people were scared and trying to cover their backsides. Nothing more.
None of the 96 would be alive now if there had not been a cover up. |
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Let's be honest, the result was only going to come back one way regardless. Could you imagine the public response had the jury delivered a different verdict? Hardly the fairest, most objective of trials, was it?
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I would agree it is relevant too, for all the reasons that have been cited. The context at the time was one in which fans were blamed for being fans. This lie could remain in place because of the behaviour of other fans at the time, it made it easy for some people to believe. It made it easy for the police to blame them and get away with blaming them.
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If we were all prosecuted when we did our jobs badly on occasion most of us would spend some years in prision I suspect. Nevertheless systemic failinsg are something that interest me and are something well worth looking at and understanding. But you need to look at all facets to do that, even those that some find distasteful. And sometimes you need to look without seeking to aportion blame.