Here's a link to this...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...adrian-tempany

Very powerful and moving.

A 2 minute video of the HSE's findings illustrating what LFC fans were subject to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXi0DClt5JQ

A short & extremely insightful read about the facts of the disaster.
http://www.hfdinfo.com/main.htm

People everywhere can take a bit of time to understand what the jury learned during 2-years of their lives.

And of course a harrowing account from a survivor that should dismiss anyones doubts about the disaster.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...adrian-tempany

I totally agree with that. Its disgusting every year on the Hillsborough anniversary people REFUSE to pay any respects and instead just scream "what about Heysel?"
I always tell them for obvious reasons that April 15th is not the time to talk about Heysel. But they don't actually care about Heysel as you say, they don't actually have any idea when the anniversary is or what Liverpool have done over the years to mark it no they just want to use it like the sad little chap above as a weapon. Why else would you bring that into a thread about Hillsborough. No class.

Anyway, I'm done fighting with those who still refuse to accept the truth. Yesterday, as many football clubs paid their own respects across the country like Newcastle fans breaking out into YNWA and many clubs choosing to play it in tribute it showed me what a sad little minority they are. That the vast majority of football fans realise it could have been anyone that day.
I would urge those that are so blind to read Adrian's story linked above or the Hillsborough docudrama tonight but of course they won't. On social media they have had to hide behind anonymous or protected accounts as people will not allow those views unchallenged and there they have backed away like the little cowards they are as they know they have absolutely nothing to back up their views. The love and outpouring of support from the football family moved me yesterday, I simply feel sorry for those who steadfastly still refuse to see.

Footage from a semi final between Tottenham and Wolves at the same ground 8 years earlier.

https://youtu.be/66ZeFtviJiM

I find it odd that you have now removed your date of birth and age from your profile. I was on DS when you posted this yesterday, and on reading it I clicked on your profile to see if you'd made any more posts about Hillsborough, as I was interested in reading more. Your date of birth and age stood out like a sore thumb - I forget the actual date but it said you were born in March 1996 and that your age is 20. So I immediately began to doubt your story. If you were 15 years old at Hillsborough that means you'd have been born in 1973 or 1974. I know many people use a false DOB on sites like this (I did myself, but I kept my year of birth the same), but to give yourself a birth date that makes you less than half the age you claim to be is a little on the weird side. Along with the fact you've now removed or hidden that information. Apologies if your story is indeed true but the stuff regarding your date of birth and age set alarm bells ringing. There have been people who have claimed to have been involved in various disasters and tragedies when in fact they weren't involved at all - I genuinely hope you aren't one of those.

Miss XYZ I noticed that date of birth yesterday too, March 1996 making him 20 now. I found it very strange but didn't want to bring it up, I'm glad you did. There certainly are a lot of people who like to fantasise about being in the heart of a drama and this post did set alarm bells ringing.

I did think about asking him about yesterday but felt it was in bad taste considering the subject matter, but I'm curious as to why he has now removed the information from his profile so I thought sod it, I will bring it up. I did hesitate for a bit before pressing "submit post" though because I still wasn't sure whether I should say anything or not.

I'm listed as 'female' on here, date of birth 29/01/96 - I'm male and in my 50's. I'm not sure how this happened but presumably I wasn't paying attention when registering, or there was a fault in the system. I've hidden the wrong DOB but can't find a way of changing the gender to male. Maybe the person above had similar problems ?

When I registered I just put down any date of birth, and then a fellow poster messaged me reminding me of the fact that this site says I'm 20, so I looked to edit my date of birth to my proper date of birth but I couldn't see how I could do that, so I hid my DOB to avoid confusion.

There certainly people who do claim they was there at certain events but those people in my mind are sick and twisted and quite clearly need help.

I certainly was at Hillsborough on that day and the fact I've never mentioned it before isbecause I don't like talking about it, but seeing people continuing to blame Liverpool fans on this thread prompted me to share my experience

Thanks for responding, hopefully you can understand why it was confusing.

Yes this how I found out I was registered as female - via personal messages a long time ago. Obviously my username didn't help with the confusion ( it was the name of my Nan's cat ! ). I've just unhidden my DOB to show that I too am listed as being only 20 years old and born in 1996... I wish!

It's not a matter of a differing opinion or are you just going to constantly ignore the findings of the inquest?

Conveniently they have nothing to say the posters who have patiently explained to them why they are WRONG either, they just mysteriously disappear when facts are presented and only 're-appear to try a new angle at it or to be all faux offended at having their ridiculous "opinion" challenged again and again with facts. The police made themselves look very silly at inquest when they had nothing to back up their "beliefs" not a single shred of evidence, the posters who continue to believe in these slanderous lies are also looking very silly indeed.

A harrowing read.

I hadn't heard about that memo from Thatcher to Hurd before. Shocking.

Unbelievable that this same ground was deemed suitable as a place to hold the semi finals with thousand of supporters and no contingency/safety plans in place,

Unfortunately, posters such as these remind me only too forcefully of those who pop out every now and again on the 9/11 threads to make their ridiculous claims against actual factual evidence.

They cherry pick statements and events to force them to fit with their theories and blind beliefs and demand others document the facts with proof (not accepting YouTube when they themselves use it as their own 'evidence'!) and once those posts have been picked apart with actual REAL evidence and logic, they come at it from a different angle

It's incredibly disrespectful to those who died, to their families and to those who suffered trauma that day because they were there.

I said earlier in the thread that I had watched the CCTV from outside the ground. I as an impartial observer could not attribute ANY blame to those fans. They were not causing trouble, there didn't appear to be any abject drunkenness and in fact, there didn't even seem to be any pushing and shoving - or no more than usual (and actually less than I experience every day whilst I am trying to get on my train!).

How actual filmed evidence can be ignored by people time and time again I am not sure. I can only assume they have their own agenda to push. An unpleasant, disturbing agenda which says a lot about them.

I've said before that I was at the 1981 semi final, and that should have shown the ground was not suitable for the amount of fans allowed in.

By the time it was used again, everyone involved in staging a semi final should have made sure such a thing couldn't happen again.

OK once again, I do not mean to offend I have read most of the report and the report says the crush was down to overcrowding. Overcrowding happens on a daily bases in various place, London Underground for example that springs to mind.

Do you not think there might be degrees of overcrowding.?

1000 people in a pen for 500
1500 people in a pen for 500
2000 people in a pen for 500

Surely there comes a point where it is beyond simple overcrowding and it becomes a deathly crush. There was no way out for these people.

I'm not being disrespectful here but perhaps you might read a little bit about it and look at some of the video footage before posting. It comes across as a tad ignorant. Sorry

Honestly. Do some sodding research. Or get three friends. Put yourself against a wall. Get your friends to stand behind you and push you hard against the wall. Get three or four other friends to stand either side of you and push sideways into you so you literally cannot move backwards, forwards or either side. Imagine that pain and breathlessness you now feel, having been trapped against the wall with no escape, being exacerbated tenfold as more and more people join your friends either side ànd from the back. Then you will panic, your ribs will crack, you will throw up, the sheer pressure on your body will force your bladder and bowel to evacuate.

And eventually, if the pressure on your body is not relieved in time, you will die.

Or just read about 'crushing' and crush injuries and crush deaths and stop coming across as so ignorant and insensitive.

I agree, it's very much a point scoring focus for some fans.

You could argue that the perpetrators in Heysel got off lightly (although I still think UEFA need to answer for their part because like Hillsborough, the stadium was completely unsuitable for the game) but we do know what happened there, there was no cover up.

It's disappointing that it's not marked with a minutes silence at the last game of the season the way the Bradford fire does but who's to say Liverpool don't remember it?

Liverpool do remember it. It is marked on May 29, there is a plaque at Anfield and the names of those who died are listed on the LFC website. Last year, in particular, being the 30th anniversary was strongly marked http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/firs...sary-of-heysel

Oh I can understand people doubting my story, I think I may have done the same if somebody else posted and their DOB didn't add up.

Anyway I've shared my experience from inside the ground now I'll share my experiences after.

So me and my mate got out of the ground at about 3:45pm and we both decided we needed to contact home somehow and let people know we was alright as people would be worrying, luckily we both had our wallets with us still without a penny missing, I did think we would have lost them in the crush but luckily we didn't so we set off to find as phone box, obviously mobile phones in them days were in it's infancy and not many if any people carried one, every phone box we saw had a queue of about 250/300 people, we didn't fancy queuing because it would take hours, so we started jogging around, going down random streets looking, suddenly we jogged past this house and an old lady was doing something in her garden, she must have been in her 80s, we must be about a mile and half from the ground because we had been jogging for like 20 odd mins, she stopped us and said "are you from the football ground" we said "yes we are looking for a phone to phone home and let people know we are safe" she said "come in and use mine, there are 30 dead apparently" so in we went to this old lady's home, as we walked through the door the radio was reporting 40 dead, I could not get through to my house, line was engaged but I got through to my uncle who drove round to my house with the news I was safe, my mate couldn't get through either so he rang his next door neighbour, we both offered some money to cover the call but she turned it down bless her, we then asked for the way to the train station so we could get home but her husband said he'll drive us as it's 4 miles away, we had the radio on in the car and the death toll kept rising, 50, 60, 70, it was horrible to listen to, at the train station we offered him petrol money but he turnedb it down, I'll always be grateful to the old couple who let us use the phone and then drove us to the railway station, so nice and courteous they were, I'll never forget their kindness.

Later on at home, I opened the door and all my family was in the front room, uncle cousin aunt, grand dad, Grand ma and they all gave me a hug, I just said "how many " and my dad said so far 85 are dead, I just ran up stairs laid on my bed and cried, later that night I was watching the news and when Moira Stuart started talking about it I ran up stairs again, I didn't sleep at all that night, the following day I went to the hospital because my ribsb were hurting, they said "what happened to you " I replied with "I was at Hillsborough yesterday " and that brought tears, I had bruised ribs, later that day I met with all my mates from school and it was a relief to see them

On the Wednesday when my dad said the Sun are blaming the fans I picked up the paper and hurled it across the room, never read the Sun since.

I missed school for a week, I struggled to cope, often waking up in the middle of the night crying having nightmares, I used to randomly shout and scream, and turn violent, first week in May I seeked some help and I got diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, I received counselling for 2 years, went through every emotion, shock, anger, guilt, new years eve 1989, 8 months after the disaster, told my parents everything, absolutely everything, in graphic detail, i spent 3 hours recalling every single move I took that day, told them how i got talking to a lad on the train pre match and hours later he was standing next to me dead, I literally said it all, and the fact I got it off my chest I felt so much better.

It makes me tear up now typing this, I'll never forget a second of that day, I remember every single second of that day and always will.

So many people involved, so many people affected mentally

Thank you for sharing that Aaron.
As outlined in Adrian's article in the Observer the impact of the disaster took its toll on many survivors and should not be underestimated. There was sufficient trepidation ahead of the verdict to put Liverpool's Adult Services (social services) on high alert. The outcome has prevented significant upset albeit it has heightened the anger about the process.

I've posted stuff above for people to learn from if they have the desire to.

Very brave of you to share your story, there may have been 96 who lost their lives but so many like yourself very badly affected.

At the time of the 20th anniversary Steven Gerrard was interviewed about it, talking about how his own relatives received one of those dreaded calls that they had lost someone at Hillsborough, he said that it gave him even more determination to succeed as a footballer.