Why would they need to cover their backsides if they'd done everything properly and by the book though?

More likely that someone has to read it to him...

This article makes horrific reading...

Just hope that all the families can now find some kind of peace. Well done to them for continuing to fight for justice after all this time.

of course they were scared they had failed in their duties! It seems to me what you are saying is the lies and cover ups dont matter because the dead would still be dead.......unbelievable.

You only have to 'cover up' when you have firstly failed

I could never figure it out why anyone would want to stand on concrete steps for 90 minutes just to watch a game! That's punishment, not pleasure!

When you look at all other spectators sports where there are stadiums it would be seated, rugby, tennis, cricket, motor racing etc and that was long before Hillsborough. Football clubs seemed stuck in a time warp by comparison to other spectator sports.

PMSL

What about the people who put him in charge and (supposedly) trained him to do the job? How much of any blame should be laid at his door and how much at his superiors'?

I'm trying to work out if you actually understand that the police covering things up is slightly more concerning than ordinary people. Because it DIRECTLY affects the administration and delivery of justice. If they can do it with something this big; how much have they been doing it with 'smaller things' (like planting evidence on people they 'know' to be guilty; not disclosing evidence to the defence; etc).

They managed to do this despite clear video evidence available to the whole world that their story was a load of cock and bull.

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Its not trolling, it was a hope and an observation.

For debate and discussion to work here in the forums, there are, occasionally, people with a different point of view to ones-self. People who have different view points to you are not "trolls", no matter how odd, weird or even abhorrent you may find their point of view.

As long as they are done with reason and respect for other forum members, and hopefully provide a rationale as to why they hold their views (though this is not really necessary, it may just be a "belief").

I myself have lots of reasoned questions i would like to ask in this thread, but i am unable to do so.

I see we've still got the element who just love gaining attention by whatever means

There are two scandals here. The failures that led to 96 deaths 27 years ago, and then the two decade long conspiracy to hide the truth.

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ASK away

I really, really doubt it


Probably for the best.

It's staggering that the ignorant can make such desperate, ill-informed and offensive remarks in the face of what could not have been a more thorough and absolutely conclusive and definitive inquest.

You're wrong, you lose. There are no loose ends or points up for debate.

Please have the grace to stop.

Read the Guardian article. He wasn't qualified to do the job, so yes his superiors should face the blame, but he made no attempt to learn any of the facts or procedures and basically turned up with the same knowledge as anyone in Britain.

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Go on then. I doubt you have ever posted anything 'reasoned' in 10,000 attempts but feel free to try.

exactly, how anyone can question why the families have spent the best part of 3 decades fighting for the truth to be recognised is beyond me

I have not said that cover ups don't matter, in fact just the opposite if you'd care to read back.

The issue of the cause of the deaths is about how the police and others acted in the lead up to and during the events on the day. Something that happened afterwards clearly couldn't have caused the deaths. How hard is that to understand.

Although a cover up is pretty damning in itself, it's no proof of guilt in matters that went before.

The jury says you're wrong. What better system could we have?

At least their name has been cleared and the families have justice. Fantastic for the city and the families..

JFT96

YNWA

Meanwhile Kelvin MacKenzie doesn't have much to say - http://www.channel4.com/news/kelvin-...channel-4-news

thats years old

what on earth were they covering up then!!

He couldn't even be bothered to attend the pre-match briefing.

So it is!

Teach me for getting my news from Twitter.


(I bet he never replied a week later though)

Imagine thinking like "shackfan"

Imagine hearing the news that the inquest had delivered of unlawful killing. That the fans weren't to blame. That the Police, the ambulance service, Sheffield Wednesday football club and their engineers were all culpable. That there had been a cover up and conspiracy which had meant it had taken twenty seven years for this conclusion to be reached by the coroner. And now you're processing this information.

Then imagine having the mental capacity that your response is summed up by "move on"

Pity him