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It tells me people were scared and trying to cover their backsides. Nothing more.
None of the 96 would be alive now if there had not been a cover up. |
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Let me guess.............you read the sun
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David Conn from The Guardian has been following and reporting from the Inquest for the past 2 years and here is his definitive account.
I thought it couldn't shock me anymore, but it did. The Police failings are staggering. http://www.theguardian.com/football/...lasted-decades Just hope that all the families can now find some kind of peace. Well done to them for continuing to fight for justice after all this time. |
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It tells me people were scared and trying to cover their backsides. Nothing more.
None of the 96 would be alive now if there had not been a cover up. You only have to 'cover up' when you have firstly failed |
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That is correct.
If the Taylor report was written today the conclusions would be exactly the same, and the outcome - all seater stadiums - would be exactly the same. Taylor would not be suggesting "safe standing" areas to placate individuals who want to stand next to a numbered seat which is bolted in the upright position to create 3% more "atmosphere". We are fortunate that Taylor had much more on his mind than any trivial priorities. That's punishment, not pleasure!When you look at all other spectators sports where there are stadiums it would be seated, rugby, tennis, cricket, motor racing etc and that was long before Hillsborough. Football clubs seemed stuck in a time warp by comparison to other spectator sports. |
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Reading that Guardian article, they may as well have plucked a random stranger off the street and put them in charge. I hope Duckenfield for one feels the full weight of the law.
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It tells me people were scared and trying to cover their backsides. Nothing more..
They managed to do this despite clear video evidence available to the whole world that their story was a load of cock and bull. |
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Do your trolling elsewhere Codeblue. For debate and discussion to work here in the forums, there are, occasionally, people with a different point of view to ones-self. People who have different view points to you are not "trolls", no matter how odd, weird or even abhorrent you may find their point of view. As long as they are done with reason and respect for other forum members, and hopefully provide a rationale as to why they hold their views (though this is not really necessary, it may just be a "belief"). I myself have lots of reasoned questions i would like to ask in this thread, but i am unable to do so. |
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I see we've still got the element who just love gaining attention by whatever means
There are two scandals here. The failures that led to 96 deaths 27 years ago, and then the two decade long conspiracy to hide the truth. |
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Its not trolling, it was a hope and an observation. For debate and discussion to work here in the forums, there are, occasionally, people with a different point of view to ones-self. People who have different view points to you are not "trolls", no matter how odd, weird or even abhorrent you may find their point of view. As long as they are done with reason and respect for other forum members, and hopefully provide a rationale as to why they hold their views (though this is not really necessary, it may just be a "belief"). I myself have lots of reasoned questions i would like to ask in this thread, but i am unable to do so. ASK away |
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I myself have lots of reasoned questions
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[ i would like to ask in this thread, but i am unable to do so.
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It's staggering that the ignorant can make such desperate, ill-informed and offensive remarks in the face of what could not have been a more thorough and absolutely conclusive and definitive inquest.
You're wrong, you lose. There are no loose ends or points up for debate. Please have the grace to stop. |
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What about the people who put him in charge and (supposedly) trained him to do the job? How much of any blame should be laid at his door and how much at his superiors'?
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Its not trolling, it was a hope and an observation. For debate and discussion to work here in the forums, there are, occasionally, people with a different point of view to ones-self. People who have different view points to you are not "trolls", no matter how odd, weird or even abhorrent you may find their point of view. As long as they are done with reason and respect for other forum members, and hopefully provide a rationale as to why they hold their views (though this is not really necessary, it may just be a "belief"). I myself have lots of reasoned questions i would like to ask in this thread, but i am unable to do so. |
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I see we've still got the element who just love gaining attention by whatever means
There are two scandals here. The failures that led to 96 deaths 27 years ago, and then the two decade long conspiracy to hide the truth. |
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of course they were scared they had failed in their duties! It seems to me what you are saying is the lies and cover ups dont matter because the dead would still be dead.......unbelievable.
You only have to 'cover up' when you have firstly failed The issue of the cause of the deaths is about how the police and others acted in the lead up to and during the events on the day. Something that happened afterwards clearly couldn't have caused the deaths. How hard is that to understand. Although a cover up is pretty damning in itself, it's no proof of guilt in matters that went before. |
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I have not said that cover ups don't matter, in fact just the opposite if you'd care to read back.
The issue of the cause of the deaths is about how the police and others acted in the lead up to and during the events on the day. Something that happened afterwards clearly couldn't have caused the deaths. How hard is that to understand. Although a cover up is pretty damning in itself, it's no proof of guilt in matters that went before. |
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
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Meanwhile Kelvin MacKenzie doesn't have much to say - http://www.channel4.com/news/kelvin-...channel-4-news
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Meanwhile Kelvin MacKenzie doesn't have much to say - http://www.channel4.com/news/kelvin-...channel-4-news
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I have not said that cover ups don't matter, in fact just the opposite if you'd care to read back.
The issue of the cause of the deaths is about how the police and others acted in the lead up to and during the events on the day. Something that happened afterwards clearly couldn't have caused the deaths. How hard is that to understand. Although a cover up is pretty damning in itself, it's no proof of guilt in matters that went before. ![]() ![]() what on earth were they covering up then!!
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Read the Guardian article. He wasn't qualified to do the job, so yes his superiors should face the blame, but he made no attempt to learn any of the facts or procedures and basically turned up with the same knowledge as anyone in Britain.
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thats years old
Teach me for getting my news from Twitter. (I bet he never replied a week later though) |
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Hopefully that'll be the last of it. You can moan, campaign and point the finger all you like, they won't be bought back alive. Move on.
Imagine hearing the news that the inquest had delivered of unlawful killing. That the fans weren't to blame. That the Police, the ambulance service, Sheffield Wednesday football club and their engineers were all culpable. That there had been a cover up and conspiracy which had meant it had taken twenty seven years for this conclusion to be reached by the coroner. And now you're processing this information. Then imagine having the mental capacity that your response is summed up by "move on" Pity him |
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