How are you ever in a position to argue with them?
I reckon given that they have spent 2 years listening to every word of testimony then I'm very confident that a bunch of independent adults can come up with a conclusion I can trust.

It appears you think they were wrong.............so why?

So every single jury decision ever made is correct? If that's the case no one could ever carry an opinion different to that of the jury.

I'm so glad this has happened, but I am saddened that Anne Williams with all of her work isn't alive to see this day.

Yes but to form that opinion he must know how many ticketless fans there were there.

I don't have sufficent knowledge of the case to give an opinion they were wrong. I actually think they were right. I just don't always trust a jury so won't get on my high horse and say everyone who has a different opinion is completely wrong, as it's an opinion.

I haven't seen anyone here defend the police, press or anyone.

Some have questioned that maybe the fans may have been a contributing factor and disagree with a small element of it. That's it.

Do the jury know exactly how many ticketless fans were there?

Of course they can, but there would have to be facts that they could present which would make their opinion different.

But the ones who have said the fans may have contributed haven't provided any facts or evidence as to why they think that was the case have they? We have some vague assertion of 'ticketless fans', another vauge assertion about drunk fans and very little else.

Don't quite understand the relevance here. Who said there were any ticketless fans at all?

Wow. Please say this to a family's face. I'll happily chip in for your hospital stay.

Strawman argument.
Can we stick to this case and tell us what they're wrong about and why?
Try to avoid logical fallacies.

I watched Hillsborough unfold as I was a huge Nottingham Forest fan in my teens and it's been clear as long as I can remember that something went tragically wrong that day.

Unlawful killing was the only possible verdict today given the overwhelming evidence of the true events of the day and the subsequent and immediate police cover up and smear campaign - it's just unbelievable and embarrassing that it's taken this long to have it officially confirmed.

Personally, I don't agree with the singing, scarf and flag waving outside court today - sorry, but think it's crass - however, I have not walked in their shoes for 27 years and this is, quite rightly, their day and they have fought hard to have it.

Anyone who has given a different opinion has been immediately dismissed, from what I can see the only real difference in opinion has been with regards to fans being a contributing factor.

If the fallback response is 'well the jury decided it so that's that' then any alternative opinion is instantly seen as invalid. Hence why I asked the question as its pointless giving a response if that will be the response.

What happened to bring about the events is only one side of the fateful day, there were still many preventable deaths after the crush had occurred but not even an attempt to treat the injured because of that cut off time. This was something that could have happened to any club

Well I gave up looking for a figure on ticketless fans provided by the person you are defending. Here is a fact for you, a fact the jury will have heard. There were actually less people in the Leppings Lane End than had bought tickets, you'd find it pretty hard to say ticketless fans were to blame now wouldn't you?

I was particularly surprised at the blame laid on the ambulance service.

If they provide credible reasons and credible evidence as to why they think the jury were wrong then I'm sure people will listen to them. Until then they will be dismissed as the fools they are.

I get the general idea and agree with the principle but we're only talking about this case.
The facts have been discussed so widely and thoroughly for so long and all points and possibilities have been considered that in this case there is no rationale for saying that the fans contributed.
A conclusion by reasonable people has been reached and the only reason for continuing to flog this particular dead horse is to be argumentative or iconoclastic.

See 7:00 minutes in. They weren't "made to enter", someone made the decision to relieve the pressure building outside the ground. Events have proved the decision was wrong as the instant surge through the gates and down the tunnel was the main reason for the deaths. If I had been in that surge, ticket holding or not, I would feel some guilt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzKcbOQLq4

I have no problem at all with people having differing opinions but seeing as we have just had one of the longest most comprehensive inquests in history I would like to see the evidence for these alternative opinions, are you finding that hard to understand?. Can you not see that these differing opinions you are championing here have been disproven a long time ago

Sad that Thatcher is no longer alive. To see the Truth about her beloved South Yorkshire police revealed at last.

and many fans probably do feel guilty even though THEY WERE NOT AT FAULT. That was their point of entry. Sorry correct me if I am wrong but it appears that you think the fans were to blame

My personal opinion is that if this depth of inquest had been done originally than it is more likely (given exactly the same facts) that a verdict of unlawful killing would not have been given. Even with the 'narrative' having more a less moved to it being unlawful killing over the intervening years it was still only a 7 - 2 majority. The bar for this verdict is very high. The fact is the cover up has played into this and it is almost as though unlawful killing verdict is payback for the false evidence against Liverpool supporters and cover up. Those involved will be prosecuted (likely) now.

The police were at fault for opening the gate. The supporters were not at fault for passing through the gate however they played a contributory role in the deaths only if they consciously forced their way down the tunnel in an effort to get out onto the terrace.