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Old 03-05-2016, 15:29
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Hi

Temporarily i need to use my 1100s in a different room that only has a single feed.

I have set it up, all is fine except when it is due to record on a channel that isnt the same polarity, it doesnt switch over and therefore the recording fails. I know I cannot record one channel whilst watching another (unless same polarity) but should the receiver force change the channel over to make the recording as at the moment it doesnt.

Just wondering if i have to change it over manually before the recording is due to start.

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Old 03-05-2016, 16:44
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Hi

Temporarily i need to use my 1100s in a different room that only has a single feed.

I have set it up, all is fine except when it is due to record on a channel that isnt the same polarity, it doesnt switch over and therefore the recording fails. I know I cannot record one channel whilst watching another (unless same polarity) but should the receiver force change the channel over to make the recording as at the moment it doesnt.

Just wondering if i have to change it over manually before the recording is due to start.

Steve
Did you do a factory reset after going down to one cable. ? This is required to switch the box into single cable mode. Once in single cable mode the box will stop you making impossible recording combinations.

You should be able to record two providing second recording shares same band and polarisation as tuner 1 is using.

3rd channel viewing and time shifting also works.

1 Both recordings from same transponder any 3rd channel in same band and having same polarisation.

2 Both recordings from different transponders, any channel sharing a transponder with either recording can be viewed.

You can also record the 3rd channel (from the time shift buffer) after one of the two recordings completes.
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Old 03-05-2016, 22:56
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Did you do a factory reset after going down to one cable. ? This is required to switch the box into single cable mode. Once in single cable mode the box will stop you making impossible recording combinations.

You should be able to record two providing second recording shares same band and polarisation as tuner 1 is using.

3rd channel viewing and time shifting also works.

1 Both recordings from same transponder any 3rd channel in same band and having same polarisation.

2 Both recordings from different transponders, any channel sharing a transponder with either recording can be viewed.

You can also record the 3rd channel (from the time shift buffer) after one of the two recordings completes.
Yes i did a factory reset.

Thanks for your reply however that isnt what i meant.

Im asking if for example I have BBC1HD on at 4pm and have something programmed for Challenge at 4.15pm.

When it comes to 4.15 and therefore time to record the programme on Challenge, should the box

a) auto change the channel to Challenge to allow it to record
b) give me a prompt to ask what i want to do - and if so - what is default if i dont respond
or
c) should it stay on BBC1 and have the recording fail?

As at the moment it is doing (c) - not changing over and i just want to know if this is normal as I would have thought option (b) would have been the obvious.
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Old 04-05-2016, 12:19
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Yes i did a factory reset.

Thanks for your reply however that isnt what i meant.

Im asking if for example I have BBC1HD on at 4pm and have something programmed for Challenge at 4.15pm.

When it comes to 4.15 and therefore time to record the programme on Challenge, should the box

a) auto change the channel to Challenge to allow it to record
b) give me a prompt to ask what i want to do - and if so - what is default if i dont respond
or
c) should it stay on BBC1 and have the recording fail?

As at the moment it is doing (c) - not changing over and i just want to know if this is normal as I would have thought option (b) would have been the obvious.
Should if watching prompt to change channel (if ignored default is to change channel) if in sby it should just do it.

In Settings - System Information - Signal Info, what does it say at the bottom of the screen ?

If the challenge recording is set using Accurate Recording the warning should be 15 mins before recording is due to start.
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Old 04-05-2016, 13:00
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Should if watching prompt to change channel (if ignored default is to change channel) if in sby it should just do it.

In Settings - System Information - Signal Info, what does it say at the bottom of the screen ?

If the challenge recording is set using Accurate Recording the warning should be 15 mins before recording is due to start.
Thanks

Ive just tried it again and all of a sudden its started working and switching. Bizarre. The warning comes up about 30 seconds before.

The box must have been in a mood yesterday and after having slept on it, its decided to play ball
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Old 04-05-2016, 13:00
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well, the new dscr multiswitches are available for flats ....... basically for skyQ, of course ......
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Old 04-05-2016, 13:02
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well, the new dscr multiswitches are available for flats ....... basically for skyQ, of course ......
I honestly have no idea what this means....
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Old 04-05-2016, 17:57
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I honestly have no idea what this means....
Baffled me as well, while I understand the post (It's about using legacy satellite kit alongside Sky Q kit in communal installs), I have no idea why it's posted here,
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Old 30-05-2016, 00:28
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If this box (the freesat freetime humax 1100s) is in dual feed mode can you record more than two things and if so how?
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Old 30-05-2016, 09:24
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If this box (the freesat freetime humax 1100s) is in dual feed mode can you record more than two things and if so how?
Only by a round about method. The box is capable of viewing a third channel while recording two.

1 If both recordings are from the same transponder then any third channel can be viewed

or

2 If both recordings are from different transponders then any 3rd channel sharing a transponder as either recording can be viewed.

Just remember 1 tuner can work with two channels at the same time on one transponder.

The 3rd channel is buffered to the time shift buffer.

If you set a watch recording for the 3rd channel to ensure that the box is displaying this channel from the programme start and after one of the two recordings has completed either

1 Press the instant record button if the 3rd programme is still on

or

2 If completed back up the time shift buffer and then press the instant record button.

Note you can do similar with only 1 cable, but with a second channel. In this case it will only work with channels on the same transponder as the recording.

Just remember one tuner can work with two channels at the same time from one transponder.
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Old 30-05-2016, 22:58
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Only by a round about method. The box is capable of viewing a third channel while recording two.

1 If both recordings are from the same transponder then any third channel can be viewed

or

2 If both recordings are from different transponders then any 3rd channel sharing a transponder as either recording can be viewed.

Just remember 1 tuner can work with two channels at the same time on one transponder.

The 3rd channel is buffered to the time shift buffer.

If you set a watch recording for the 3rd channel to ensure that the box is displaying this channel from the programme start and after one of the two recordings has completed either

1 Press the instant record button if the 3rd programme is still on

or

2 If completed back up the time shift buffer and then press the instant record button.

Note you can do similar with only 1 cable, but with a second channel. In this case it will only work with channels on the same transponder as the recording.

Just remember one tuner can work with two channels at the same time from one transponder.
Just that transponder then? as others said back up thread that it could be the same band (upper or lower) and the same polorisation (either horizontal or vertical) as a transponder already being used?

I guess the box has to realise it can do it though, as it normally cant see past the fact it has either 1 or 2 cables attached?

Thanks for the methordollogy of how to do it though.
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Old 31-05-2016, 09:14
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Just that transponder then? as others said back up thread that it could be the same band (upper or lower) and the same polorisation (either horizontal or vertical) as a transponder already being used?

I guess the box has to realise it can do it though, as it normally cant see past the fact it has either 1 or 2 cables attached?

Thanks for the methordollogy of how to do it though.
Baffled by your answer - Just that transponder ? Which Transponder ? I think you are getting mixed up between what you can do with one cable and two cables.

With two cables - If the two recordings are from the same transponder the 3rd channel can be any transponder. If from different transponders 3rd channel has to be from one of the two transponders being used to record from.

With One cable - Second recording must be from same band and polarisation as first channel. If both recordings are from same transponder then 3rd channel can be any channel with same band and polarisation as the first two recordings

The difference is with two cables there is no restriction on 2nd channels you can record, with one there is.

The firmware is 100% capable of recognising what is possible provided the box is correctly set up with the number of cables it actually has. It will not let you add recording or watch reservations that are incompatible with what is already set on the box.

There is an error in my post though, the single cable remark should have had a note referring to the single tuner HB1000S model., not the twin tuner models.

Note the restrictions on the twin tuner Foxsat-HDR are subtly different as there is no capability to record from the time shift buffer and no time shift capability for third channels unless only one tuner is being used to make both recordings.
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Old 31-05-2016, 11:19
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Baffled by your answer - Just that transponder ? Which Transponder ? I think you are getting mixed up between what you can do with one cable and two cables.

With two cables - If the two recordings are from the same transponder the 3rd channel can be any transponder. If from different transponders 3rd channel has to be from one of the two transponders being used to record from.

With One cable - Second recording must be from same band and polarisation as first channel. If both recordings are from same transponder then 3rd channel can be any channel with same band and polarisation as the first two recordings

The difference is with two cables there is no restriction on 2nd channels you can record, with one there is.

The firmware is 100% capable of recognising what is possible provided the box is correctly set up with the number of cables it actually has. It will not let you add recording or watch reservations that are incompatible with what is already set on the box.

There is an error in my post though, the single cable remark should have had a note referring to the single tuner HB1000S model., not the twin tuner models.

Note the restrictions on the twin tuner Foxsat-HDR are subtly different as there is no capability to record from the time shift buffer and no time shift capability for third channels unless only one tuner is being used to make both recordings.
Ah ok I think I am with you now yes I might well have confused the situation between recording a 2nd channel with 1 feed and a 3rd with 2 feeds.
I also have had a play around with it to see how it works on mine and it does exactly what you said for 2 feeds.
I am baffled that it will record to the buffer on the 3rd channel but won't actually let you save/record the programme until one of the other recordings have stopped!
It's better for live viewing than actually trying to record the 3rd channel, even though as you explained recording the 3rd is possible.
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Old 31-05-2016, 12:51
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Ah ok I think I am with you now yes I might well have confused the situation between recording a 2nd channel with 1 feed and a 3rd with 2 feeds.
I also have had a play around with it to see how it works on mine and it does exactly what you said for 2 feeds.
I am baffled that it will record to the buffer on the 3rd channel but won't actually let you save/record the programme until one of the other recordings have stopped!
It's better for live viewing than actually trying to record the 3rd channel, even though as you explained recording the 3rd is possible.

Not quite sure what the last sentence means. Once you have pressed record for the third channel you can carry on watching live or watch the recording in chasing playback.

I imagine it would be quite complex to programme the third buffer recording as it could then impact on later planned recordings. Incidentally the German Icord Humax models can record up to 4 at once (subject to transponders of course) with just two tuners.

If you have Excel on a PC there's a automatic application here that works out the combinations here (it's written for the Foxsat so doesn't identify all 3rd channel time shifting capability for G2 models).

https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/what...-1-or-2-cables
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Old 31-05-2016, 13:19
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Not quite sure what the last sentence means. Once you have pressed record for the third channel you can carry on watching live or watch the recording in chasing playback.

I imagine it would be quite complex to programme the third buffer recording as it could then impact on later planned recordings. Incidentally the German Icord Humax models can record up to 4 at once (subject to transponders of course) with just two tuners.

If you have Excel on a PC there's a automatic application here that works out the combinations here (it's written for the Foxsat so doesn't identify all 3rd channel time shifting capability for G2 models).

https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/what...-1-or-2-cables
What I was trying to say, but maybe I didnt explain very well is, if I have 2 things recording and I go to a 3rd channel I cant just press record straight away, so I have to be present to actually record this once one of the other channels has finished recording.
As I have to be present to actually record the 3rd channel, its better for if you are just wanting to watch a 3rd program while recording 2 others, as normally recordings are made for time shifting to watch at a later time.
If you want to keep all 3 programs then yes its useful I suppose.
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