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Is NFC / Android Pay really such a 'must have' though? I'm not convinced.
Contactless cards do just the same job (for payments under £30) with less faff, albeit without the added security layer. Yes, you do need to have the card with you, unlike with Android Pay. (Though for some people the strategy of leaving the credit card in the drawer at home is very much done on purpose!) |
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I wouldn't let my banking or card details within a country mile of any Android device!
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I wouldn't let my banking or card details within a country mile of any Android device!
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I wouldn't let my banking or card details within a country mile of any Android device!
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Is NFC / Android Pay really such a 'must have' though? I'm not convinced.
Contactless cards do just the same job (for payments under £30) with less faff, albeit without the added security layer. Yes, you do need to have the card with you, unlike with Android Pay. (Though for some people the strategy of leaving the credit card in the drawer at home is very much done on purpose!) I do have contactless cards but I don't need to remember to carry them so long as I have my phone with me, which I always do have. I don't own a wallet (never have) so have my cards in one of those card holder wallets, which nine times of of ten gets left in the drawer at home. |
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Perhaps it would assist if you read up on exactly how Android Pay works prior to posting?
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Perhaps it would assist if you read up on exactly how Android Pay works prior to posting?
In London, a LOT of people now use mobiles to pay. Why wouldn't you when chances are you've got your phone in your hand? Retailers don't bat an eyelid now. |
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I wouldn't let my banking or card details within a country mile of any Android device!
People slam Apple for their tight grip on the iOS platform but it's safe and secure. Android is a dream for scammers and hackers, |
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I have and read nothing to change my opinion.
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And you do? To the n'th degree necessary to understand the issues?
![]() The technology is not even the main issue. It is the provenance of the organisations behind it. |
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Bang on.
People slam Apple for their tight grip on the iOS platform but it's safe and secure. Android is a dream for scammers and hackers, |
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And you do? To the n'th degree necessary to understand the issues?
![]() The technology is not even the main issue. It is the provenance of the organisations behind it. When I make a payment I make a secure connection to my bank and get a receipt from the bank. Stop looking for Reds under the bed for goodness sake. |
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And just what details does it need to allow it to create this one time use virtual card to create a debt attributed to you? You need to think a bit more holistically about how security works.
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And just what details does it need to allow it to create this one time use virtual card to create a debt attributed to you? You need to think a bit more holistically about how security works.
Nothing in life is 100% safe. I am more than happy to accept an element of risk, as I have to by even having a debit card in the first place (or indeed, a bank account). But it's better than keeping money under my mattress and carrying money with me. I'm sure that one reason muggings are down is because there's an expectation that most people don't carry large sums of cash with them anymore. Card acceptance now means we're moving ever closer towards a cashless society. |
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Just don't use it and be happy. Don't worry about trying to convince others it's not safe
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It has been said that Blackberry, Samsung and Apple devices are all equal in terms of security.
This "idea" that iPhones are inherently more secure it just such rubbish. Why do iPhones keep being jailbroken? |
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The Android update model is fundamentally broken
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08...d_update_risk/ |
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The Android update model is fundamentally broken
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08...d_update_risk/ Android N introduces new features, but even things like the launcher can and likely will be offered to Android M users. I update my phones as quickly as possible, often with beta releases and early adopter releases, but I'll openly admit that most of the billions of Android users don't care. Many won't even update the phone when they see there is one - and just leave the update request on the notification bar for weeks/months! In the future, upgrading can be done a lot more transparently, but there's always the issue that some users don't like change.. as in they'll get somewhat angry if things they know how to do change in any way. Phones aren't all used by techy nerds like me. |
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And just what details does it need to allow it to create this one time use virtual card to create a debt attributed to you? You need to think a bit more holistically about how security works.
You are putting two and two together and coming up with seven thousand and eight. The transaction has back to back encryption works on the same principle as Apple Pay, is a one time only virtual transaction and is between you and your bank. Have you any idea how many people have their card details cloned everyday and money siphoned from their account? It's running into millions of pounds a year and yet you are baulking at something that is inherently safer???
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Avoiding the question I actually asked, I see.
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Avoiding the question I actually asked, I see.
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To use Android Pay you need to have the app installed, so check if you already have it on your device. If not, go to the Google Play store and search Android Pay. If you can see it on the Google Play store it means your device is compatible. Note the BiB and think again about what details you provided and to whom.
You can add your Halifax debit or credit cards to Android Pay in a few simple steps: •Tap the + sign in the app •Add in your card details and address details•Review and accept the Halifax terms of use •Verify your cards for security then follow the on-screen instructions •You’ll be prompted to set up a screen lock, if you don’t already have one. |
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Note the BiB and think again about what details you provided and to whom.
The same details anyone else asks for.... |
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I wouldn't let my banking or card details within a country mile of any Android device!
However, while I agree that there is a theoretical risk from malware when using an Android device to setup Android Pay, the actual process of payment is far more secure then buying over the phone when you read out your card number, expiry date, CVC code and address! If it is Google themselves that worry you, I suspect you will not find one single example of Google leaking credit card details, but several million examples of dodgy company call centres doing so. I'm an Apple Pay user btw. |
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If it is Google themselves that worry you, I suspect you will not find one single example of Google leaking credit card details, but several million examples of dodgy company call centres doing so. Absolutely correct - sadly though listening to some people on the internet is like listening to two old women gossiping in the street. They get hold of half a tale and then before you know it what started as someone leaving the garden gate open has turned into a full scale burglary. I'm an Apple Pay user btw. ![]() Android Pay, Apple Pay, Samsung Pay. They are all secure - end of. |
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